created by: Education Reform | May 29, 2012

Pittsburgh, PA

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Are teachers asking for too much in taxes in this economy?

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Capitalism is slavery

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Jul 2, 2012
 

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This is the exact end result of Republican politics. Deliberate action to dumb down the children so they are less educated in order to become brainwashed idiot consumer people for the wealthy.

Listen to Mr. Roger's testimony before the Congress on education budgets.

Republicans are cutting education spending and re directing it toward their wealthy gazillionaire friends.
Competition in Ed

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It is time for public schools to face some competition. We have the greatest system of higher ed in the world. Let the financial aid go with the student like higher ed with PHEAA grants.
Fiscal Storm

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#25
Aug 13, 2012
 
In just the next five years, taxpayer contributions to state pensions are set to increase 257 percent. That's the equivalent of more than $1,000 in additional taxes on the average household in Pennsylvania!

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#26
Aug 13, 2012
 
Fiscal Storm wrote:
In just the next five years, taxpayer contributions to state pensions are set to increase 257 percent. That's the equivalent of more than $1,000 in additional taxes on the average household in Pennsylvania!
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Do you have a reference for this assertion?
Fiscal Storm

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#27
Aug 14, 2012
 
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Do you have a reference for this assertion?
Check out Commonwealth Foundation. There is to be an announcement today. I was in Harrisburg yesterday.
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#28
Aug 14, 2012
 
The unfunded liability at the State Employees Retirement System is more than $14 billion, according to its most recent report from December 2011. The unfunded liability at Public School Employees Retirement System is more than $26 billion, according to its most recent report in June.
Supply and Demand

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#29
Aug 16, 2012
 
We could trim our education expenses if supply and demand pertained to SD staffing patterns in lieu of arbitrary and capricious union salary schedules.
45k for an entry level elem teacher is insanity given the thousands of teachers in Pa with that certification looking for employment!
Pension Reform

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#30
Aug 20, 2012
 
Existing teacher pensions guarantee specific dollar-value benefits for employees when they retire. This provides security for the retiree, but can become onerous during economic downturns when the employer — in this case the taxpayer — must contribute more money to shore up the guaranteed benefits.

The problem is compounded if — as happened in Pennsylvania — the employer fails to make required contributions during the good years when the market outperforms expectations.

These factors are behind the fact the vast majority of private sector businesses have dropped such pension schemes over the past 20 years in favor of plans that offer security to the employer.

Such plans spell out exactly how much the employer — again, in this case the taxpayer —will contribute to a 401k style investment plan for the employee. The costs for the employer are fixed, but the risk is shifted to the retiree, who may see her benefits reduced if there’s a downturn in the market.

Unions, naturally, tend not to favor such plans.
Teacher Pay cut

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#31
Dec 6, 2012
 
Can you imagine this happening in Pa. Jay Costa would go ballistic along with his buddies at PSEA!

Teachers in the 11,000-member Idaho Education Association, the state affiliate of the National Education Association, are upset that their salaries were reduced to pay for the technology requirement, and many feel it won't actually help students, said Karen Echeverria, the executive director of the Idaho School Boards Association.
Teacher Pension Cuts

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#32
Dec 7, 2012
 
Many states have found a way to deal with existing teacher pension plans. The Courts have been sympathetic in Pa because that are also recipients of the same government largesse as is legislator Jay Costa who is in bed with PSEA!

In an article in Penn Live "Despite case law interpreting the state constitution that bars reductions in benefits for tens of thousands of current employees, Corbett said he believes it is legally possible to do just that by limiting the reduction to future benefits employees have yet to accrue.

For example, he said the "multiplier" — a percentage applied to an employee's years of service and final average salary to produce his or her retirement benefit — could be reset at a lower rate for the latter part of the employee's career.

"You can cut the multiplier for folks going forward even if they (are) vested ... because they still have the benefit of that period that they had the multiplier," Corbett said. "Legally, can you do that? I believe you can."

David Fillman, head of Council 13 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which represents 45,000 state employees, said any attempt to reduce employees' right to earn future pension credit would violate the constitution."
PSEA Avarice

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#33
Dec 7, 2012
 
PSEA President Keever says that the state should implement a Marcellus Shale extraction tax and direct that money towards the education system in an interview on NPR in Pgh. How many income streams does PSEA want? We have serious infrastructure issues in this state along with debt service from the Fast Eddie era to deal with.
Insatiable PSEA

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#35
Feb 6, 2013
 
In other states teacher's took more hits than PA in terms of budgets and furloughs. They should take cuts like we have endured in the private sector!
They squandered the billions of dollars they got from Obama and they want the state to pick it up>

PSEA President Crossey is living in another world.

"Crossey explained that the governor's proposal to add $90 million in public school funding still leaves a massive funding gap, which school districts are being forced to fill with painful program cuts and property tax increases".
How about roads

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#36
Feb 6, 2013
 
The Gov. should throw the money from the State Stores and the 60 million increase for public ed. to roads and bridges and give the Operating Engineers some jobs.
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Feb 7, 2013
 
How about roads wrote:
The Gov. should throw the money from the State Stores and the 60 million increase for public ed. to roads and bridges and give the Operating Engineers some jobs.
The Obama Stimulus deal never trickled down to infrastructure; instead it went to teacher unions !
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#38
Feb 7, 2013
 
Pension Reform wrote:
Existing teacher pensions guarantee specific dollar-value benefits for employees when they retire. This provides security for the retiree, but can become onerous during economic downturns when the employer — in this case the taxpayer — must contribute more money to shore up the guaranteed benefits.
The problem is compounded if — as happened in Pennsylvania — the employer fails to make required contributions during the good years when the market outperforms expectations.
These factors are behind the fact the vast majority of private sector businesses have dropped such pension schemes over the past 20 years in favor of plans that offer security to the employer.
Such plans spell out exactly how much the employer — again, in this case the taxpayer —will contribute to a 401k style investment plan for the employee. The costs for the employer are fixed, but the risk is shifted to the retiree, who may see her benefits reduced if there’s a downturn in the market.
Unions, naturally, tend not to favor such plans.
Don't blame us when the psers pension plan was flush with cash that our contributions were next to nothing . The legislators made deals to increase their pensions by 50% and teachers by 25%. Now that we need money from the taxpayer to fund our pension all we hear are complaints . Complain to the state legislators that told us we had so much money in the pension fund we could go 40 years without increasing taxes . Now that time has come for the taxpayer to contribute a few dollars more in their school tax .
John Northampton

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#39
Feb 7, 2013
 
Mellow Out wrote:
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The new teacher evaluation system hopefully will help identify educations who need help.
Who evaluates our legislators for making a mess out of Pa. Drunks and unvouchered expense accounts are pre existing qualifications to be elected in politics. The pay and bennies are good and they intend to keep it that way.
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#41
Feb 11, 2013
 
There are few jobs in the labor market that have benefits that even approach what teachers have. It is disrespectful of PSEA to plunder school districts that have no tax base left for hiqher pay And benefits.
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#42
Feb 11, 2013
 
No Section 8 and surrounding government housing like MHA does. Too many taxes for parents having multiple kids that cannot afford it! http://www.topix.com/forum/city/pittsburgh-pa...
John Northampton

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#43
Feb 11, 2013
 
Teacher Pension Cuts wrote:
Many states have found a way to deal with existing teacher pension plans. The Courts have been sympathetic in Pa because that are also recipients of the same government largesse as is legislator Jay Costa who is in bed with PSEA!
In an article in Penn Live "Despite case law interpreting the state constitution that bars reductions in benefits for tens of thousands of current employees, Corbett said he believes it is legally possible to do just that by limiting the reduction to future benefits employees have yet to accrue.
For example, he said the "multiplier" — a percentage applied to an employee's years of service and final average salary to produce his or her retirement benefit — could be reset at a lower rate for the latter part of the employee's career.
"You can cut the multiplier for folks going forward even if they (are) vested ... because they still have the benefit of that period that they had the multiplier," Corbett said. "Legally, can you do that? I believe you can."
David Fillman, head of Council 13 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which represents 45,000 state employees, said any attempt to reduce employees' right to earn future pension credit would violate the constitution."
The point being all the legislators would have to change the laws they made to benefit themselves and the public unions they represent .

They'll still be talking about this on the Pa news show two years from now and will have done nothing to change the way they get paid (see perks) and their pensions are calculated .
Act 1

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#45
Feb 14, 2013
 
Act 1 even with the changes is an enabler for school districts to over tax the public. Too many school are getting exceptions for pensions and special ed to raise taxes even more than they are permitted by law.

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