Something to think about

Summit, MS

#21 Aug 3, 2008
Here is something to think about.
Those of you who know Phillip Shyla and Haylie know they had forgivness. The lady that hit them did kill them. And yes she did cause Kaytie and Avery great unimaginble pain. But here's the main thing to think about. The pain will NEVER heal until forgiveness starts working in peoples hearts. I know the Van Alstines they would forgive even with it being such a hard thing to HAVE to forgive. So in memory of them forgive the lady so the Van Alstine good legacy will continue in death.
Anchorage Alaska

United States

#22 Aug 3, 2008
This tragedy has hit as far as Alaska. Our daughter played on one of the teams that went to state with Coach Van Alstine. We were devastated to hear of their deaths. To the Van Alstine family: our prayers and thoughts are with you.
My first thought when I heard the news was of REVENGE to the lady who caused the crash, However, I do have to say the person who wrote about the Van Alstine legacy was right. If we are bitter and unforgiving what is that teaching Kaytie and Avery? They need to learn forgiveness, so hopefully they don't grow up to be bitter and angry.
It is easier to hate and want revenge in every manageable way, but let us remember how the Van Alstine's lived, and portray that to their children who are still here.
Are you serious

Laurel, MS

#23 Aug 3, 2008
Cindy wrote:
St. Francisville, LA?
"Prossecuted to the fullest"?????
There was no alcohol involved and it was late morning in a stretch of town which is notorious for accidents.
Haven't YOU ever gotten in an accident, perhaps one where you were at fault?
They happen all day long in every city in the country without these deadly results....
The real irony was that they were 200 yards from the Range Rd. exit where they were going shopping at Bass Pro...200 yards!
So are you suggesting that since there was no alcohol involved and that this stretch of road is notorious for accidents, that we should overlook the fact that 3 people died because of another person's careless actions? I don't think by any means the woman had ANY intentions of killing them or even hitting them. But the fact is, she did and accident or not it killed them. I am not suggesting the death penalty but punishment that fits the crime.
Ben

United States

#24 Aug 4, 2008
Friend of Shyla wrote:
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A week or two in jail????
Seriously?
All that life GONE, two children parentless and a week or two in jail?
I completely disagree.
My mistake i did not elborate on the week or twon thing. If you are cited for tailgating or careless operation or wreckless operation of a motor vehicle WITHOUT injury or death there needs to be a mandatory week or two in jail. If something like that were put into play i think maybe folks would think about the way they drive. Also the other reply to my post i have sped in my days. Since I became firefighter and seen death and the seriously injured people after driving like idiots i assure you i do not speed any longer. When i run to calls i run lights, sirens and i stop at all red lights and yeild before proceeding and the same for 4 way stops. I also only run 5 over to the call in police equipped crown vic. State law says 10 MPH with lights and sirens activated but both have to be active. I think she should get at least a year for those 3 people minimum. A man here in ponchatoula got 5 for negligent vehicular homicide. He was also intoxicated, had a BAC .17%. So i think a minimum of but i would like to see more than that personally.
The latest

Baton Rouge, LA

#25 Aug 4, 2008
As of this morning, police have said they will not charge the driver of the other van. They said that there is insufficient evidence to support initial reports of what happened in the accident. It will go before the East Baton Rouge DA once the accident report is complete.

From 2theadvocate.com :
Troopers initially said they intended to book 55-year-old Ruth A. Fort of Baton Rouge with negligent homicide, negligent injuring and following too closely. But upon further investigation, troopers are not 100 percent sure such counts are appropriate, State Police Lt. Doug Cain said.

“We make our best judgment from evidence that is presented and the statements that are given, but they are not definitive enough to warrant putting someone in jail on such a serious charge,” Cain said.
a fellow baton rougeon

Baton Rouge, LA

#26 Aug 4, 2008
Friend of Shyla wrote:
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While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't understand your wording "accident" when your sister was tailgaiting. Shyla and Phillip were very cautious people with precious cargo (THEIR CHILDREN) in their car. Your sister made a deadly decision to tailgate, which was a DECISION, not an accident. As a result, two children will be raised without either parent.
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/26244359.htm...
Something to think about

Summit, MS

#27 Aug 4, 2008
I decided after much thought that I could not attend the funeral today. But I was out in Ocean Springs today when the procession past on 90. It was very very sad to see 3 herst carrying Phillip Hailey and Shyla. They were all so full of life and loved life. Its a wake up call. Since hearing of their death I have made special attempts to let my family and friends know I love them. Because you just never know if you will get the chance to do it again.
Something to think about

Summit, MS

#28 Aug 4, 2008
Her Brother wrote:
My sister was the woman involved in the accident. Out whole family is distraught over the accident and our hearts and prayers go out to the VanAlstine family. We pray that all who knew the VanAlstine family will receive peace and comfort through Jesus. We are asking our individual churches that we attend to remember this family in their prayers.
I can't imagine how your family and your sister feels. But please know that the Van Alstines had a good legacy. Forgiveness! I know they would forgive her. They are all awesome people. And they wouldn't want all this fussing and fighting.
So to all the people fussing about this lets think about the 2 children. And through us show them how their mommy and daddy and sissy lived!
Friend of Shyla

United States

#29 Aug 4, 2008
Something to think about wrote:
<quoted text>So to all the people fussing about this lets think about the 2 children.
Are you suggesting that on the day that we buried them, we should be through the next stage of death? If you knew who I was, you'd be suprised. I am a loving person who knows and cares for YOU very much. I feel the same way about Shyla, Phillip, Haylie, Kaytie, and Avery. I'm sure I will feel differently in time, but right now, today, I've lost a lot. I think I'm entittled to feel how I feel today. It's not like it's been three years and I'm picketing in front of a courthouse. It will take TIME to heal. It takes time to love and time to heal; this I know. It's just not been anywhere near enough time for everyone to be accepting. People grieve differently!
so sorry it happened

United States

#30 Aug 5, 2008
Friend of Shyla wrote:
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Are you suggesting that on the day that we buried them, we should be through the next stage of death?
Friend of Shyla, I am so sorry for your loss. The greatest gift you can give yourself is forgiveness.

Here is what some one said about Mrs. Fort on wafb.com site in baton rouge:

I've been waiting for this story to show up and was quite disappointed that it took this long. Mrs. Fort and her Family were mistreated so badly in the media. They never said what truly wonderful people they are and how blessed Walker Freshman High were to have them as teachers and coaches. The media needed someone to blame so quickly, but needs to print retractions just a quick. Everyone in the area has been talking about hos she was going to jail... they should have been talking about the tremendous contribution she has made to thousands of children's lives through education and mentoring. Get the message out, she has not been charge, found guilty or convicted and the accident is still under investigation. That is what the news should have reported DAY 1!!!!
Something to think about

Summit, MS

#31 Aug 5, 2008
Friend of Shyla wrote:
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Are you suggesting that on the day that we buried them, we should be through the next stage of death? If you knew who I was, you'd be suprised. I am a loving person who knows and cares for YOU very much. I feel the same way about Shyla, Phillip, Haylie, Kaytie, and Avery. I'm sure I will feel differently in time, but right now, today, I've lost a lot. I think I'm entittled to feel how I feel today. It's not like it's been three years and I'm picketing in front of a courthouse. It will take TIME to heal. It takes time to love and time to heal; this I know. It's just not been anywhere near enough time for everyone to be accepting. People grieve differently!
No I'm not saying that at all. I am just saying there are alot of people fussing over the lady and what kind of punishment she should or should not face.
I understand that there has not been alot of time that has passed and I never meant to take anything away from you. You are most certainly entitled to feel grief. You can't help but to feel hurt and pain for the whole family. Phillip, Shyla and Haylie died a awful death we can all agree. And now 2 little babies are left to be raised without a precious mother daddy and sister. That should be everyone's focus. We all need to come together and help in whatever way we can.
HALF LIES

United States

#32 Aug 5, 2008
I wish the media would quit ruining lives, I am so sick of them reporting pieces of information that are either not true or half truths.
The media has gotten worse through the years and could care less who they hurt.
They will report anything that sounds good or dramatic whether it is the truth or not. We as a society need to speak up against this because it could touch any of us or our loved ones at one point in our lives. They are never held accountable for whose life they destroy with lies and half truths.
Both of our presidential candidates are about fed up with their crap too.
Don't believe 1/2 of what the media reports.
Living off others misery is what I call it.
Its a shame.
QUESTION

United States

#33 Aug 5, 2008
so sorry it happened wrote:
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Friend of Shyla, I am so sorry for your loss. The greatest gift you can give yourself is forgiveness.
Here is what some one said about Mrs. Fort on wafb.com site in baton rouge:
I've been waiting for this story to show up and was quite disappointed that it took this long. Mrs. Fort and her Family were mistreated so badly in the media. They never said what truly wonderful people they are and how blessed Walker Freshman High were to have them as teachers and coaches. The media needed someone to blame so quickly, but needs to print retractions just a quick. Everyone in the area has been talking about hos she was going to jail... they should have been talking about the tremendous contribution she has made to thousands of children's lives through education and mentoring. Get the message out, she has not been charge, found guilty or convicted and the accident is still under investigation. That is what the news should have reported DAY 1!!!!
So, do you know what did happen?
a student

Brandon, MS

#34 Aug 5, 2008
I was a student, volleyball player, and now i am in the military. It was an honor to have shared memories with the VanAlstine family. My heart goes out to Katie and Avery they have 3 gaurdian angels watching over them. Momma V, I will miss you and I will always love ya! You will never be forgotten.

Since: Aug 08

Vancleave

#35 Aug 5, 2008
How is kaytie doing?
friend of shyla

New Orleans, LA

#36 Aug 5, 2008
I thought I'd pass this on from the WLOX website. Nothing makes sense right now, but at least we can help take care of Shyla & Phillip's girls. Rest in peace friends.

Trust Set Up For Vancleave Couple's Surviving Daughters

Posted: Aug 5, 2008 04:51 PM CDT

Updated: Aug 5, 2008 04:51 PM CDT


VANCLEAVE, MS (WLOX)- A trust has been established for the daughters of Phillip and Shyla Van Alstine.

The Vancleave National Guardsman and his wife, along with their 7-year-old daughter, were killed in a traffic accident in Baton Rouge last week.

The Van Alstines' four-year-old daughter is still in critical condition at a Baton Rouge Hospital. Her 11-month-old sister was not in the vehicle during the accident.

The account for their surviving daughters, Kaytie and Avery Van Alstine has been set up at Hancock Bank in their names. Donations can be made at any Hancock Bank Branch or mailed to:

Hancock Bank
P.O. Box 4019
Gulfport, MS 39502
so sorry it happened

United States

#37 Aug 5, 2008
I thought I'd pass this on from the WLOX website. Nothing makes sense right now, but at least we can help take care of Shyla & Phillip's girls.

Beautifully put, friend of Shyla, thank you for this information. Can you post here as to Kaytie's condition? We are praying for her. I can't think of anything worse to a 4 year old than losing her mom and dad and big sister.
This has touched so many of us who live in Baton Rouge. All parties involved and family and friends impacted by this horrific accident are in my thoughts and prayers.
Friend of Shyla

United States

#38 Aug 5, 2008
so sorry it happened wrote:
I thought I'd pass this on from the WLOX website. Nothing makes sense right now, but at least we can help take care of Shyla & Phillip's girls.
Beautifully put, friend of Shyla, thank you for this information. Can you post here as to Kaytie's condition? We are praying for her. I can't think of anything worse to a 4 year old than losing her mom and dad and big sister.
This has touched so many of us who live in Baton Rouge. All parties involved and family and friends impacted by this horrific accident are in my thoughts and prayers.
Due to media frenzy, I'm not going to post the specifics of Kaytie. I will say she's still on the ventillator. Really pray for her. I believe she will be okay in time... I really do. I didn't look for this forum... Just missing my friend and googled her name and read everything I could at all hours of the night. I feel mislead, hurt, guarded... not good ingredients for someone needing to heal. I don't understand why the media would print something that wasn't true, causing additional hurt. I'm not sure how we're going to open the doors of VHS tomorrow morning, but it will happen. Pray for VHS teachers tomorrow. I know we need to help our students which is a tall order for people who are broken themselves.
Friend of Shyla

United States

#39 Aug 5, 2008
Something to think about wrote:
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And now 2 little babies are left to be raised without a precious mother daddy and sister. That should be everyone's focus. We all need to come together and help in whatever way we can.
Just wanted to say we ARE doing those things - on a daily basis. We are comforting, feeding, spending time with, collecting money for, etc. etc. etc. We love these girls and will, for their entire life, help them. Always.
friend of shyla

New Orleans, LA

#40 Aug 5, 2008
so sorry it happened wrote:
I thought I'd pass this on from the WLOX website. Nothing makes sense right now, but at least we can help take care of Shyla & Phillip's girls.
Beautifully put, friend of Shyla, thank you for this information. Can you post here as to Kaytie's condition? We are praying for her. I can't think of anything worse to a 4 year old than losing her mom and dad and big sister.
This has touched so many of us who live in Baton Rouge. All parties involved and family and friends impacted by this horrific accident are in my thoughts and prayers.
I agree with the other Friend of Shyla from Biloxi that specifics should be up to the family to share if they wish. Kaytie is still on the ventilator last update I heard. She's still in ICU at Our Lady of the Lake. Both Phil & Shyla's families are on the MS Coast, so the goal is to get her transferred to a hospital over that way when possible. I know they appreciate the concern & prayers. Please continue to lift them up. We need a peace & healing that only God can bring.

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