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It was planned. Everyone should know this by now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Jul 12

Van Wert, OH

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HelloHiThere wrote:
It was planned. Everyone should know this by now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
While I agree with you that it was planned, there is an abundance of information and disinformation to point the finger at our own government, Israel, the Saudis, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and if you wait long enough, even the Pope. One litmus test for truth might well be to assume if you're being inspired to fear or hate another culture or group would be to assume that you are being lied to. As a people, we are not meant to live in hatred of others. Those feelings are taught to us, or otherwise indoctrinated. On both sides of this issue there are fraudsters whose sole intent is to put fear in our minds and that is the trap that boxes our brains.

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Since: Dec 12

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I can't believe people still believe this crap, the government gained nothing from the resulting war. Ask your self if you disagree what has the nation or its citizens gained since 9/11?

The thing about conspiratards is even when they aren't trolling, they're trolling. Conspiratards argue almost exclusively through logical fallacy; it's extremely effective because it both appeals to the uninformed and discourages and frustrates anyone who tries to respond to their arguments. Anyone with a brain gets filtered out through attrition, and soon all that remains is the conspiratard and his acolytes.And this is why I refuse to even argue shit like this anymore. It's akin to arguing with a creationist.

I'm sure that you would like everyone to think that you've taken an honest, thorough look at all the evidence available and found it lacking, when in fact you haven't bothered with any research more profound than watching some shitty, grainy youtube videos set to sinister music.

Since: Jul 12

Van Wert, OH

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JustLookWhoItIs wrote:
I'm sure that you would like everyone to think that you've taken an honest, thorough look at all the evidence available and found it lacking, when in fact you haven't bothered with any research more profound than watching some shitty, grainy youtube videos set to sinister music.
Open air burning temperatures 260-315 C (500-599 F)[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel#Jet_A

Steel, Carbon 1425 - 1540 2600 - 2800
Steel, Stainless 1510 2750

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-tem...
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It's possible that the government didn't plan the attack, but it's obvious they did nothing to stop it. Bush knew they were planning an imminent attack on the United States and knew that they were planning to use planes. The Gorvernment knew what was going on. So, If nothing else I think the government had some intelligence They thought they knew where the attack would be and they did nothing to stop it. Look at how the buildings go down. That's a controlled demolition. I think we knew what was going to happen and we assisted in bringing those buildings down. Look at building 5 (or 7), that didn't even get hit by anything. There were just fires. If you can watch that thing come down and not scratch your head then you're a fool.

We basically used this incident as a launching pad to go invade the middle east. No way would the American public support invading a country for no reason. Let's not forget Iraq. WE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING THERE! We went there based on lies and then made more enemies than we had before we went in. how do people not see this? It's beyond me how ignorant people can be to facts.
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My comments aren't towards our service members who are defending this country. But you can't fight terrorism with an army. the soldiers are doing there job. It's the commanders and people in washington putting them in harms way for no reason other then their own personal gain. I dont' think anyone in their right mind should enlist anymore. they don't care about the safety and lives of these people. they're just tools of politicians.

Since: Jul 12

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Get With It wrote:
Let's not forget Iraq. WE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING THERE! We went there based on lies and then made more enemies than we had before we went in. how do people not see this? It's beyond me how ignorant people can be to facts.
The strategy of US involvements in other countries involve specific phases, depending on what's necessary to achieve corporate goals. Cover stories involving patriotism, fighting for our freedom, etc, are fiction.

1) Send in the economic hit men. Make the country an offer they can't refuse.
2) Send in the CIA, creating civil unrest.
3) Send in the military creating "regime change".

In the case of the war in Afghanistan something was accomplished. The Taliban ban on Opium, used to manufacture heroin was undone, and now we have a nation of junkies. We've become the terrorists and are dying by our own sword.

Since: Jul 12

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Get With It wrote:
My comments aren't towards our service members who are defending this country. But you can't fight terrorism with an army. the soldiers are doing there job. It's the commanders and people in washington putting them in harms way for no reason other then their own personal gain. I dont' think anyone in their right mind should enlist anymore. they don't care about the safety and lives of these people. they're just tools of politicians.
Don't you know the government cares so much about the military that... wait... what?

http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/phillynow...
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Ugh, this makes my heard hurt. Podunk small town hicks thinking they are political wonks, structural steel engineers and metallurgists.

Conspiracy Theories are for the weak minded who can't handle reality.

May want to get with the times- As all of this was debunked years ago. By people with real educations- and backgrounds in the matter. Not unemployed hilljacks.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/mi...
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JustLookWhoItIs wrote:
I can't believe people still believe this crap, the government gained nothing from the resulting war. Ask your self if you disagree what has the nation or its citizens gained since 9/11?
The thing about conspiratards is even when they aren't trolling, they're trolling. Conspiratards argue almost exclusively through logical fallacy; it's extremely effective because it both appeals to the uninformed and discourages and frustrates anyone who tries to respond to their arguments. Anyone with a brain gets filtered out through attrition, and soon all that remains is the conspiratard and his acolytes.And this is why I refuse to even argue shit like this anymore. It's akin to arguing with a creationist.
I'm sure that you would like everyone to think that you've taken an honest, thorough look at all the evidence available and found it lacking, when in fact you haven't bothered with any research more profound than watching some shitty, grainy youtube videos set to sinister music.
They do it for their own personal attention. Wanna be investigative reporters. Paranoia and ignorance. A weird mix.
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Joe Jared wrote:
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Open air burning temperatures 260-315 C (500-599 F)[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel#Jet_A
Steel, Carbon 1425 - 1540 2600 - 2800
Steel, Stainless 1510 2750
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-tem...
You are kidding, right? Ever work with steel? Ever use a torch to soften,form,shape steel? I have. Structural Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1000F or less. At 1800 degrees-it loses 90%.

Do you think steel had to MELT for a structure weighing millions of tons to collapse? It just has to be weakened.

Ignorance-thy name is 'conspiracy'.

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Democracy now had a debate on that subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Jul 12

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YesURNuts wrote:
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You are kidding, right? Ever work with steel? Ever use a torch to soften,form,shape steel? I have. Structural Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1000F or less. At 1800 degrees-it loses 90%.
Do you think steel had to MELT for a structure weighing millions of tons to collapse? It just has to be weakened.
Ignorance-thy name is 'conspiracy'.
Thermal imaging didn't suggest temperatures nearly that high, nor would the smoke coming from the building be suggestive of such heat. Near where the plane collided with the building, it would be understandable to have a structural failure. The idea that 2 planes could take out 3 buildings and that all 3 would fall at the rate of gravity with no resistance defies physics.
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JustLookWhoItIs wrote:
I can't believe people still believe this crap, the government gained nothing from the resulting war. Ask your self if you disagree what has the nation or its citizens gained since 9/11?
The thing about conspiratards is even when they aren't trolling, they're trolling. Conspiratards argue almost exclusively through logical fallacy; it's extremely effective because it both appeals to the uninformed and discourages and frustrates anyone who tries to respond to their arguments. Anyone with a brain gets filtered out through attrition, and soon all that remains is the conspiratard and his acolytes.And this is why I refuse to even argue shit like this anymore. It's akin to arguing with a creationist.
I'm sure that you would like everyone to think that you've taken an honest, thorough look at all the evidence available and found it lacking, when in fact you haven't bothered with any research more profound than watching some shitty, grainy youtube videos set to sinister music.
OMG for once I agree with you!!
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People want to believe in the "message" that we're given. Joe Jared hit it on the head. Look at the way the buildings fell and then explain how that is even possible that three building fell when 2 planes hit two buildings. SMH

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Since: May 12

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oh geez, this old, tire subject again? well if you are all such conspiracy nuts, aren't you afraid the gov't is reading your posts and now they know you are on to them...you'd better go hide in an underground bunker somewhere...they're coming for you! ooohhh spooky!

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Since: May 12

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Feb 9, 2013
 
meant to say tired...oh well. and also everything i post has a hidden message in it, so start circling every other letter...

Since: Jul 12

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the awesome hey wrote:
oh geez, this old, tire subject again? well if you are all such conspiracy nuts, aren't you afraid the gov't is reading your posts and now they know you are on to them...you'd better go hide in an underground bunker somewhere...they're coming for you! ooohhh spooky!
Spooky is how easily fooled and controlled the population is by no more than 5 media corporations. Congressional approval rating is below 10%, and even media confidence is at an all time low, including Faux news.

http://www.corporations.org/media/

Until 2011, even I ignored people when they went off about 9/11 or any other conspiracy, including my first father-in-law, who was a WWII veteran. What opened my mind to the possibility of a convergence of interests was nothing more than cause and effect, and recognition of just how much has been stolen from us as a people. It's not something you can be apathetic about anymore, unless you are content to live as a slave and in substandard living conditions.

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Since: May 12

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they are coming for you, joe jared. hide!! only reason we are slaves is because of the concept of 'corporate citizens'... the big banks and corporations would blow up the world if they thought their stocks would go up. but tax breaks for corporations and shipping jobs overseas have nothing to do with 9/11. you've got the right idea, just the wrong conspiracy theory.

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the awesome hey wrote:
they are coming for you, joe jared. hide!! only reason we are slaves is because of the concept of 'corporate citizens'... the big banks and corporations would blow up the world if they thought their stocks would go up. but tax breaks for corporations and shipping jobs overseas have nothing to do with 9/11. you've got the right idea, just the wrong conspiracy theory.
How about a little theme music to go with that? But no, I will not live in fear...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Don't be so sure of that. People would be significantly more powerful than any corporation if we weren't so divided. The way I work with people is so far from the corporate mindset that it may well seem foreign. A business operating as a cooperative is significantly more beneficial to the people that corporations because the overhead, risk, and fruits of the labor belong to the worker.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2774864289347... (files/"The Plan")

As for the blowing up the world, history that's to hide an economic crash. If you believe that corporations would go to such extremes, logically, a few buildings and a few thousand Ameicans isn't even a stretch of the imagination. We went to WWI over a ship we knew was going to be sunk and were actually warned of the possibility. WWII carried with it its own mendacity, as did Korea and Vietnam. Through the years we've been treated like mushrooms, fed lies that have caused millions to die.

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