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Greenville, OH

#24 Jan 25, 2013
A fool and his money wrote:
Talk about being irresponsible and impractical. Just look at the frivolous design of the new elementary. How much money could have been saved by eliminating the useless high rise roofs of each of the sections? They add nothing to the capacity of the school. They also cause an enormous waste in heating. Warm air rises to the highest level. Who is getting warm in the top of each of those sections. Just look at the wasted materials and labor to increase the ceiling and roof for no other purpose than to appease the whims of those in charge.It is a poor wasteful design and shows the irresponsibility of those handling the money. DO NOT give thm any more of your money to so they can just "blow" as they see fit.
Now c'mon, you're putting us ALL on right? You can tell all that just by looking? You're telling me there have been no advances in building design and architectural efficiencies in the past however old you are years? I know I'll never convince you, but why let your habit of ignoring change, progress and scientific discovery negatively effect everyone else.
That building is the most efficient one in the district, maybe in the entire state for now. Look, if you don't want the tax, just say so. But, don't invent lame excuses that attempt to point out how smart you think you are versus how dumb you think they are. It's not becomming to you, or your cause.
Harley

Fort Jennings, OH

#25 Jan 25, 2013
A fool and his money wrote:
Talk about being irresponsible and impractical. Just look at the frivolous design of the new elementary. How much money could have been saved by eliminating the useless high rise roofs of each of the sections? They add nothing to the capacity of the school. They also cause an enormous waste in heating. Warm air rises to the highest level. Who is getting warm in the top of each of those sections. Just look at the wasted materials and labor to increase the ceiling and roof for no other purpose than to appease the whims of those in charge.It is a poor wasteful design and shows the irresponsibility of those handling the money. DO NOT give thm any more of your money to so they can just "blow" as they see fit.
I kind of like that look of the high roofs. It reminds me of the Correctional Facility in London, Oh. If they would only put a 12' high fence around it with barbed wire on top. Maybe their plan is to have the kids all wear orange jump suits too.
Need to start these kids out right. Teach them how to sell drugs and get the girls pregnant.
A fool and his money

Lima, OH

#26 Jan 28, 2013
Maybe the school is efficient, but that still doesn't justify the extra expense for the additional materials and labor costs just to be "stylish". Those high rises are a slap in the face of the taxpayers proving there is fiscal irresponsibility when it comes to using "our" money.
big suprise

Lima, OH

#27 Jan 28, 2013
Kirby R Kelly wrote:
It would be pure foolishness on the part of the citizens to vote to make the school income tax permanent.
so i'm wondering if u get on council will you want the city income tax to have to be renewed every 5 years? because it is permanent
Get With It

Lima, OH

#28 Jan 28, 2013
Think of it this way. If we vote it down nothing is going to change. They're not going to get kicked out of the building or anything like that.
a few changes

Napoleon, OH

#29 Jan 28, 2013
It's a big percentage of their budget, so something's got to go. Probably a little of everything. Personally, I'd start "pay to play" sports. Lots of others have it. Then, I'd look at cutting back on the bussing and reducing multi food lines to one. Everyone gets the same thing for lunch. Personnel has already been cut and the state guidelines per student have to be met there. After school programs will have to be looked at too.

Since: Sep 11

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#30 Jan 28, 2013
big suprise wrote:
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so i'm wondering if u get on council will you want the city income tax to have to be renewed every 5 years? because it is permanent
Personally, I believe Council does need to exercise more oversight over our budget. And if we could renew and revise our income tax every five years it wouldn't be so bad. But it's too late for that since that has been voted on. But we need to address issues with other taxes, such as the gasoline tax that was designed for street maintence and repair. Currently we siphon over $125,000 yearly from this tax to help pay for general fund salaries. Origninally designed as a temporary measure the administration and council have seemed content to move this money to the general fund rather that invest in more street repairs. And look at the water/sewer billing. Each increase is designed to maintain a million dollar reserve fund. Some of that money would be better served by investing in upgraded billing technologies. Rather than using "estimates" we could get acurate readings, keeping more money in the consumers wallets. And both water and sewer funds are contributing $125,000 per year for general fund salaries. And look at the proposed pool tax. If you read it, there is language in there that allows the admninistration to use any "excess" to be used for the Parks. I know one council person who's concerned because you could pass this tax and not build a pool but you'd still be paying a tax for a pool. Remmember the county home where they closed it down and still collected the taxes? Had that tax been permanent they could still be collecting it even though the county home no longer exist. Taxes, and how they're used should be totally transparent. Joi Mergy, as chair of the finance committee, is trying to get council to look at cost saving measures.But her attempts are being met with rtesistance from the mayor.

Since: Jul 12

Van Wert, OH

#31 Jan 28, 2013
idiots wrote:
You might tell somebody else about how good the rich are and expect them to believe it, but don't tell me how good the rich are and expect me to believe it.
My work in the past 12 years has created more than 70 jobs, worldwide. For me, it's not about making massive amounts of money, but rather, living comfortably and working in a manner that is not parasitic in nature, but rather, symbiotically. The skills I have developed make creating automation could easily become a method of creating numerous jobs but that is far from my focus, because jobs are really a form of slavery.

What you call rich probably has a good deal of money linked to it. Real wealth creators consist of anyone who produces goods of real value, the majority of which work for employers who expect employees to earn at 3 times their cost to the company. Changing this mindset in a manner that improves the quality of life for the worker means to encourage people to work together, bypassing entirely, corporate thinking.

Since: Jul 12

Van Wert, OH

#32 Jan 28, 2013
Kirby R Kelly wrote:
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totally transparent. Joi Mergy, as chair of the finance committee, is trying to get council to look at cost saving measures.But her attempts are being met with rtesistance from the mayor.
Is this the woman who expressed frustration about a lack of coordination in budget discussions in the last city council meeting? If anything, seeing things like that in meeting made it seem less scripted than previous meetings in other cities.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#34 Jan 28, 2013
Joe Jared wrote:
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Is this the woman who expressed frustration about a lack of coordination in budget discussions in the last city council meeting? If anything, seeing things like that in meeting made it seem less scripted than previous meetings in other cities.
Yes, that's the lady you meet at last council meeting.

Since: Jul 12

Van Wert, OH

#35 Jan 28, 2013
fista cuffs wrote:
just curious joe : what form of society/govt. would you approve of, and why?(the more specific you could be, the better... to make it easier to understand (for the layman) and visualize..
to me, no govt. means chaos, no rules to guideline the masses , and a very fragile civilization....
To get to a government that works, first we have to have a system of exchange that works.

The way what many call wealth, money, is created is brought into the economy from the top down, from nothing, ultimately creating a cast society of very rich who get the money first, who use it to control the government, favoring those corporations first. At the very core, that is doomed to failure. An alternative would be to create money from goods of lasting value, a paper trail of that merchandize, such as a table, chair, or machine. Every time a product of durability is created and inserted into the market, an equal value of money is created and banked. It could even be taxed at this point to support local governments, at a rate agreed on by the people. Keep in mind I'm speaking of durable goods, designed to last for years or even decades, unlike oil, which is guzzled faster than the entire population of alcoholics consumes alcohol. A resource backed economy would also allow for non-durable goods, but would generate no new money because it has no lasting value, but would work because durable goods money would still be exchanged, backed by tangible assets. There would likely be some inflation due to expiration of goods, but it would be NOTHING like it is now. In the past decade alone, the value of my earnings has depreciated by more than 1/3.

As far as political leanings go, Anarchy -- libertarianism -- volunteerism are terms closest to my own personal ideals. Even with Anarchy there are still rules. I consider it a crime if I hurt other people. If I hurt no one but perhaps myself, I'm more inclined to believe it more of an illness than a crime with very few exceptions. I also consider it a duty to not just take care of my family, but to be available as a source of opportunity for those who wish to better themselves. That's why I share my knowledge and technology. I have a document I wrote more than a year ago that describes a business model that I call the Cooperative business model. There's a place for me in it and people like me, but it's not one of greed. I make about 2% of what my customers do for technical support, warranties and royalties. The document is really as much of a description of how I work as a template for creating a business model that puts value back where it belongs, in the hands of the workers.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2774864289347...

The best saying I like about government is that it should be small enough to fit into the Constitution. The failure of this thinking is that we've been starved for so long as a people that it has trained a type of sociopathic behavior that makes us think we have nothing to give. That is precisely how I felt growing up on government assistance when in fact, the opposite was true all along. People who say, "There oughta be a law", ultimately find themselves on the receiving side of that statement, which causes taxes to increase to enforce it and imprison those that violate that law. These new laws drag the economy down further and further to the point that now, we pay for 2.5 million people in prison, representing 25% of the world's prison population, and only 5% of the world population. That's just one example of how bad our thinking has become.

We spend a good time asking for permission to do things and could be spending time asking why we need permission.

52% of the federal taxes go to war debt, not one of which in modern history that has been lacking in mendacity. It would serve us well to look at all sides of these wars and decide if this is the path we as a nation wish to continue.

Since: Jul 12

Van Wert, OH

#36 Jan 28, 2013
fista cuffs wrote:
to me, no govt. means chaos, no rules to guideline the masses , and a very fragile civilization....
Too much government makes for a fragile civilization as well, as we as a people are finding out. The stock market, for example looks really good, but the first question would be why it surged. The ugly truth to it is that sales were down from previous years, and the only change had to do with the FDIC limits to insurance. People moved $115B from banks and a large portion went into the stock market. What went into precious metals, did so on paper only. If it had done so in reality, the prices of gold nd silver would have spiked. If you are the kind that buys precious metals, make sure you have them in hand, because there's likely multiple claims on anything paper. Also, and in particular, for gold, you may want to drill a hole in them or sheer them in half, just to make sure you didn't buy a bar of tungsten, a tungsten pig in a poke.

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