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Just curious if anyone out there knows anything about the YM Youth Basketball program? We have always had good experiences with the Y until last year. There were several youth basketball teams that played on Saturday mornings-one team in particular was put together by a group of dads (which seemed more like the all-star group)-all of the other teams were divided out equally. The scores were ridiculous-WAY UNEVEN. I was so irate by the end of the season, I was tempted to just boycott the Y altogether. It didn't seem like a fair way to play these young kids. I am all for all-star teams, but play at all-star levels (Spiece Center, traveling teams, etc...)-that way you have more competition with other teams who have experienced players. Maybe they enjoyed beating all of the other teams 35-2-but I was a little surprised that the Y didn't have the teams a little more evenly put together. Not sure if I was the only parent feeling this way or if it is a problem for anyone else.
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You all seem like a bunch of nasty, backstabbing pageant moms. No wonder your kids are so whiny and self absorbed. Great example, right?
Maybe you should give up on living your broken dreams through your children, and stop turning them into tomorrow's potbellied, beer chugging bullies.
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Doesn't matter how"stacked" the VW teams are, Crestview wipes the floor up with every team they play. That's just a fact. They don't kill teams by purposly running the scores up. They're just that good....
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double dribble wrote:
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Haha! Hardly who you think I am. I would be embarrassed to be affiliated with a team that won 35-2. But back to my original post of use this as an opportunity to teach. It seems as you are still trying to make excuses. No wonder so many kids are so whiney. Great example.
I would be too! I use situations like this to explain to my kids that certain people feel like if their kids don't win at absolutely everything then they are failures. We talk about how sad that is and how those kids will have a lot of problems in the future and how it must make them feel now. Kids aren't stupid, they know that when you put all the ones who can play on one team versus kids who are just learning on another, who will win. It actually brings their skill level down because they don't have to use their best skills to play. It's a non-fulfilling win to them, but not their parents.
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that the parents of the stacked team is trying to determine who will be playing basketball for the Van Wert H.S. team down the road. Sorry to be the one to tell you all this but most of the kids on that team are the fast growers. I can see by looking at there parents that they will probably top out at around 5-6', 250 pounds. Good luck though! LOL
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And this is why Van Wert sports will continue to suck for the forseeable future. Namely football and basketball. All it is is an ever revolving cycle of people who thought they were the sh!t in high school, get out in to the real world and realize they aren't anymore, so they end up back here with kids of their own, and try to relive their glory days through them. Wash, rinse, repeat. Always has been, always will be this way. Some of the kids/parents aren't bad, but it's probably like 5%. Pretty sad to see how far athletics have fallen at Van Wert in the past decade since I was there. It won't change either until some of these families finally relocate or weed is abolished from this town completely. Which neither will happen. So it will continue to be a vicious circle of potheads, kids that would rather drink, or spoiled brats that never had to work for anything and got their spots because of the name on the back of the shirt. Enjoy the future of Van Wert's Athletic Progam people! My kids will either be attending Crestview or Lincolnview. Hell, I may even send them to Delphos if I have to! It can't be that hard to pretend to be Catholic can it?
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You are bitching about your sons team getting beat by 30 but if your son was on the team,you would be bitching about playing time.Hmm i know,get off your ass and COACH
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WHAT THE HECK wrote:
You are bitching about your sons team getting beat by 30 but if your son was on the team,you would be bitching about playing time.Hmm i know,get off your ass and COACH
In Y sports everyone plays. You don't know this which tells me you must not coach.
A lot of us could care less about that team, we just roll our eyes when it's time to play them because we know it's more important that they win so they aren't yelled at the rest of the day.
You can try talking to Mitch but I don't know how much good it will do. Those parents are thorns in the sides of every person they encounter when it comes to sports. It's their empty threats more than anything, like they'll pull their kid out lol, riiiiight. As far as football and baseball they've basically bought the leagues so they can do as they please. It teaches their kids nothing about playing as a team and sportsmanship, they lack in character also. I figure if that's how they want to raise their kids it's their problem, You can buy their way into whatever league you like, but as soon as they graduate real life will hit them like a train and they'll be clueless. I imagine that's why a lot of those parents do what they do as they experienced the same thing and are too dim to change the cycle.
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Why dont we take the Y best team and play the city league best team, then go play the district best team, then the state and then the WORLD! Good grief its kids basketball, get a life. My son plays in two leagues at the Y . Some leagues are developmental and some are school run and use the Y gyms. The school league is bring your best, if your kid don't measure up, thats life.
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Oct 9, 2012
 
Why not have try outs and have the coaches pick teams like they used to?
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common sense wrote:
Why not have try outs and have the coaches pick teams like they used to?
For Y teams? Here's an idea- sign your kid up and let the Y put them with whatever coach they get. Maybe let your kid write down a best friend's name who they'd like to be on a team. ONE name per kid. People take this way too seriously.
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coach read my statement again did i say the kid woul not pay?NO i said parent would bitch about playing time.I can't believe parents are even bitching about y ball.Teams are going to be better than other teams its no big deal.
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It kinda is a big deal if one team is good enough to beat another by 30. 30! Jesus!!! When I played Y ball you went to try outs, the coaches basically had a draft and took their respective turns picking kids until the rosters were filled. Parents, coaches, kids had no say in what team they played for. Obviously there was probably an unspoken agreement that a coach had first rights to his son/daughter, but other than that it was fair and more importantly EQUAL! Besides shouldn't these kids have to learn how to handle losing at a young age? Since, you know, they'll experience plenty of it once they get to high school. ;)
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lol wrote:
It kinda is a big deal if one team is good enough to beat another by 30. 30! Jesus!!! When I played Y ball you went to try outs, the coaches basically had a draft and took their respective turns picking kids until the rosters were filled. Parents, coaches, kids had no say in what team they played for. Obviously there was probably an unspoken agreement that a coach had first rights to his son/daughter, but other than that it was fair and more importantly EQUAL! Besides shouldn't these kids have to learn how to handle losing at a young age? Since, you know, they'll experience plenty of it once they get to high school. ;)
They probably did away with that when parents complained that their kid was always picked last. That's why I said just let the Y randomly place them with no say from anyone else. Let someone in the office with no bias do it and don't let coaches switch out players. The end.
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names wrote:
Funny how the post with the dads names disappeared ... Embarrassed wives perhaps.
You people must have to much time on your hands!!!!! Worry about your own lives and your own children! It seems to me that this site should be outlawed! We have school assemblies about cyber bullying !!!! Why because we have grown adults teaching there kids how to hide behind a computer bullying other people!!! Instead of worrying about teaching your kids the fairness of sports and things u can't control! Learn to control yourselves!
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Enough wrote:
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You people must have to much time on your hands!!!!! Worry about your own lives and your own children! It seems to me that this site should be outlawed! We have school assemblies about cyber bullying !!!! Why because we have grown adults teaching there kids how to hide behind a computer bullying other people!!! Instead of worrying about teaching your kids the fairness of sports and things u can't control! Learn to control yourselves!
When young kids are just learning how to play basketball (8-10) I would think that the YMCA would teach them the fundamentals of the sport. To have 1 team put together by a bunch of dads that have a win at all cost mentality surely doesn't serve the best intrest of all the kids that are paying to learn the game. All it does do is to feed the ego of the dads that put the team together. I ask you, who is this benefiting? Certainly not the kids but a bunch of over the hill wannabees trying to relive their glory days through there children. It's sad that the YMCA lets this happen and I can not understand why. Who knows, maybe it comes down to money. At this age, basketball should be new and fun. I don't think that mismatching teams so bad that one beats the rest by 30 points would be much fun for anyone involved. I know for a fact it isn't for the kids on the losing team or thir parents.
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My kids are grown up, but here's what I think, and I know no one cares.
Kids under the age of 8 or 9 should all get to play and learn the game.
Kids 10 and up should have to try out and the best ones get on the best teams.
Sports really are about who can play the best, and not everyone is the best.
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It's sports.[/QUOTE]At this age it should be about teaching sports. Not every kid playing will be a super star athlete but hopefully he will gain a love for sports. I don't think that the kids who do go on and play sports in High School would enjoy playing in front of an empty gym.
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no sense wrote:
My kids are grown up, but here's what I think, and I know no one cares.
Kids under the age of 8 or 9 should all get to play and learn the game.
Kids 10 and up should have to try out and the best ones get on the best teams.
Sports really are about who can play the best, and not everyone is the best.
I would be behind this concept, however I have two issues with it. First, we are talking about sports through the YMCA. Sportsmanship and learning the game are what Y sports are about. Second, some of the sports played are seasonal, such as football, basketball and volleyball. That means they have a six week timeline, once a year, to learn how to play. Some of those kids may get a chance to play on other leagues or their parents might have the ability to play with them during the off season, but that isn't every kid's situation. Because of that keeping it fair for all the players by not stacking teams seems only fair as long as they are playing on Y teams. They have plenty of time to "try out" for league sports over the course of middle and high school years.
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Larry wrote:
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I would be behind this concept, however I have two issues with it. First, we are talking about sports through the YMCA. Sportsmanship and learning the game are what Y sports are about. Second, some of the sports played are seasonal, such as football, basketball and volleyball. That means they have a six week timeline, once a year, to learn how to play. Some of those kids may get a chance to play on other leagues or their parents might have the ability to play with them during the off season, but that isn't every kid's situation. Because of that keeping it fair for all the players by not stacking teams seems only fair as long as they are playing on Y teams. They have plenty of time to "try out" for league sports over the course of middle and high school years.
Well, after reading your comment, I have to agree with you.
Kids do need to learn the sport and then be competitive.
You are right.

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