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Trinity

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#203
Nov 1, 2012
 
Peter you are the rock, you shall be the foundation on which I shall build my church. Jesus Christ.
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#204
Nov 1, 2012
 
peter you are rock hard and shall be the foundation on which our sex life shall be built on.;
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#205
Nov 1, 2012
 
FreedomForAllNotJustSome wrote:
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That's the way old school Catholics sometimes feel about it. Catholic owned businesses are just that, businesses. I work for a Catholic owned hospital and I am Catholic. Not all employees are. They have, as most Catholic hospitals, provided birth control and sterilization proceedures on our insurance for years. This is nothing new. Have you been to church lately? It's not like it used to be. People aren't having a dozen or more children and the church isn't pushing them to do so. They understand that trying to dictate family planning will hurt them in their wallet and it isn't spoken about much if at all. Why do you think the fight was just a minimal obligatory one when universal health was initiated? They didn't fight very hard now did they?
Yes, I have been to church lately. I go every week.
I personally think birth control is wonderful, no matter what the Church's position on it is.
My point is that, since the Catholic Church is against birth control, it's an invasion of the separation of church and state to require Catholic institutions to provide birth control.
And you didn't address my comment about abortion.....what if the bill required health insurance to pay for abortions? You'd hear screaming from every church in the country. It's just a small step.
Trinity

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Nov 1, 2012
 

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Even Peter denied Christ 3 times on the night that they came for him. Peter never denied him again and gave his life defending his faith. I show my faith with a sign, why does this bother you? You are not the first nor the last to mock christians. Paul was one of the worst offenders until god showed him the light so I will not give up on you. Ask and you shall receive.
FreedomForAllNot JustSome

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#207
Nov 1, 2012
 
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Yes, I have been to church lately. I go every week.
I personally think birth control is wonderful, no matter what the Church's position on it is.
My point is that, since the Catholic Church is against birth control, it's an invasion of the separation of church and state to require Catholic institutions to provide birth control.
And you didn't address my comment about abortion.....what if the bill required health insurance to pay for abortions? You'd hear screaming from every church in the country. It's just a small step.
That's the thing, the Catholic Church as a whole isn't against birth control. You will hear many bishops speak about that. We also know that most nuns are for birth control.
I didn't address abortion because it's a what if and I can't predict that. I'd assume they wouldn't want that to be part of their health care package, but d&c's already are. The morning after pill is also approved on my insurance and they've never said anything about it (my employer). After universal health was proposed and going in for a vote they did put a memo out that basically said while the stance with the church may be one thing, they also realize that many of their employees are not Catholic and in fairness to everyone their health packages would not be changed to exclude prescriptions or proceedures we may choose to take or have. My best friend works at a Catholic hospital unaffiliated with my employer and they have the same coverage and also distributed a memo saying almost the same thing. They are trying to let us Catholics know that they have compassion and want us to be in control of our health choices while still recognizing the old church ways.
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#208
Nov 2, 2012
 
So Peter started the church, but Paul's letters are the ones they babble about constantly during the services...I've noticed they rarely preach and focus on things Jesus taught. You know, all that hippie stuff where he says "do not repay evil with evil" and every negative thing he says about the rich. In my opinion, Pauls writings are the epitome of what a man can do to manipulate things. Every loop hole after the gospels came from that man. He may have been a follower of Jesus but he wasn't divine. They were all ordinary men just like you and me. Christianity's base is following the teachings of Jesus. Maybe we should start looking at what Jesus did rather than all the BS "interpretation" Paul wrote.

Little side note:
Jesus NEVER said he was God or was equal to God. Not once in the Gospel. Who said he was? Paul. I believe he's the son of God, but Jesus never once said he was God, and God never said he was going to come down here personally and save us. He said he'd send a savior. Further more Jesus prayed to God. Seems kind of silly to Pray to yourself, doesn't it? I believe the only reason the trinity exists is because if we didn't conjure that up, we'd be a polytheistic religion. And we can't have that, can we?

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#209
Nov 2, 2012
 
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Who claimed those phrases were in the Constitution? As stated, someone mentioned 'separation of church & state" was in the Constitution. It is not.
No one claims the specific phrase "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution.

Like freedom of religion, gun rights, or checks and balances, the PRINCIPLE is.

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Correct. That 'establishment' of religion means something. Such as the Church of England which they fled.
You're confusing early pilgrims with the Founding Fathers. Two different groups. Men like Washington, Jefferson, Madison were all born in the colonies. They didn't flee from anywhere.
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basically, the Gov't can't create a religion (establish). Nice try, though.
It doesn't say that. It says no law respecting (related to) an establishment of religion.

Here's Madison's explanation of it: "Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform"

That is clearly far more broad than what you're saying.
Trinity

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#211
Nov 2, 2012
 
Get With It wrote:
So Peter started the church, but Paul's letters are the ones they babble about constantly during the services...I've noticed they rarely preach and focus on things Jesus taught. You know, all that hippie stuff where he says "do not repay evil with evil" and every negative thing he says about the rich. In my opinion, Pauls writings are the epitome of what a man can do to manipulate things. Every loop hole after the gospels came from that man. He may have been a follower of Jesus but he wasn't divine. They were all ordinary men just like you and me. Christianity's base is following the teachings of Jesus. Maybe we should start looking at what Jesus did rather than all the BS "interpretation" Paul wrote.
Little side note:
Jesus NEVER said he was God or was equal to God. Not once in the Gospel. Who said he was? Paul. I believe he's the son of God, but Jesus never once said he was God, and God never said he was going to come down here personally and save us. He said he'd send a savior. Further more Jesus prayed to God. Seems kind of silly to Pray to yourself, doesn't it? I believe the only reason the trinity exists is because if we didn't conjure that up, we'd be a polytheistic religion. And we can't have that, can we?
Jesus said " the only way to the father is through the son, those who believe in me shall have everlasting life". He also said to Thomas," blessed are those who believe, but do not see."
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#212
Nov 3, 2012
 
My point Exactly. Jesus (SON of God) did not ever once ever ever ever say he was God! he always referred to God as the Father. His Father. Open you eyes "Trinity"
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#213
Nov 4, 2012
 
Religion sure does inspire a lot of people to fight and hate
Get With It

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#214
Nov 4, 2012
 
Yes it does. I think it gives people this superiority complex where they think they have all of the answers. I think some have good intentions and are generally good people, but there are those who attend and still aren't but use what they learn to put others down.

Everyone has their own opinion. Which is why there's debate. that's why there are so many denominations in every major religion. Nobody can ever agree.
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#215
Nov 4, 2012
 
The_thinking_man wrote:
Religion sure does inspire a lot of people to fight and hate
I take it your talking bad about muslims? You better watch what you say about them. Didn't you hear what happened when someone dissed them on u-tub?
RMB

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#216
Nov 8, 2012
 
I just want to comment on whether or not Jesus claimed to be God. I'm going to take my references from the NLT (New Living Translation), but if you believe that modern translations have "changed" the text, please feel free to reference in the KJV or even the original Greek (which will actually provide a much better understanding if you really understand Greek).
First, there are verses pre-dating Jesus (in Isaiah, Matthew, and John) which make the claim. Such as:
Isaiah 9:6 - "For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, MIghty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
Matthew 1:23 - "Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means 'God is with us.'"
John 1:1 & 14 (I'm not being selective or taking these out of context, but these are the two key verses together. You can reference all of the verses between though if you'd like. It's all good.)
"In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father's one and only Son."
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Of course, I realize you said "Jesus never claimed to be God", so now I'll reference only verses where Jesus is speaking (though, in some the claim is further explained outside of Jesus' direct speech). And, I'd again encourage you to check out the Greek because it's even more clear, but English still gets the message across, even if it is more limited. This is especially true in verses where he refers to himself as "I Am", just as God did in the Old Testament.
John 5:17-18 (The background of this verse is, essentially, the Pharisees (pretty much equal to Christian people today who think themselves better or more educated than others and judge, accuse, and look down upon others they deem less "worthy" or "righteous") trying to catch Jesus in the act of defying the Law, specifically, working (or performing miracles) on the Sabbath.)
"But Jesus replied, "My Father is always working, and so am I." So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God."
John 8:24-28 "That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins. "Who are you?" they demanded. Jesus replied, "The one I have always claimed to be. I have much to say about you and much to condemn, but I won't. For I say only what I have heard from the one who sent me, and he is completely truthful." But they still didn't understand that he was talking about his Father. So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man on the cross, then you will understand that I Am he."
John 8:58 "Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!""
John 10:30-33 - "The Father and I are one." Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?" They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God.""
John 14:9 "Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?"
There are also countless verses in which Jesus claims that he is in the Father and the Father is in him or that he and the Father are "one". The Greek word for "one" being used is a reference back to the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4) which (in the KJV) says "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
Anyhow.. just some "food for thought".
RMB

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#217
Nov 9, 2012
 
Just an fyi.. I had that post formatted much better but apparently all that formatting gets removed...

Sorry if it's now a bit difficult to read.
hereto

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#218
Nov 9, 2012
 
hope and change wrote:
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Women don't need birth control medications. They can choose the old fashion but proven way to keep from getting pregnant and it is cheap too, to keep their legs closed thus preventing pregnancy. There is no reason they have to prostitute themselves. They can respect their bodies; there is no reason for promiscuity.
It is their choice to be a whore, but they want others to pay for their decision. Women want to make the choice, they can pay for that choice just like anyone else who makes a decision does.
Since when is matrimony equivalent to prostitution! You do realize that married couples often choose to responsibly plan their parenthood
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#219
Nov 9, 2012
 
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You are ao wrong about action being taken aganst our religious freedoms. Not being allowed to put a religious symbol like a nativity seen up because it is public prpery. Not being alloud to pray on schools those are my religious freedoms being attacked.
Laws cannot govern independent thought. It's virtually impossible to prevent anyone from praying any time they choose to do so. There are laws against mandatory or school sponsored prayer.(I'm glad you admit that.)

It is so often mistaken that a secular environment is an environment favorable to Atheist, Anti - theist, Muslim or basically any other theology that does not recognize Christ as a savior. A secular environment is designed to remove partiality and provide a neutral environment. Education is not only a privilege, it is a requirement. Every Child is required to participate, either in public provided Education, private Education or Home schooling.

Public schools are not required to provide spiritual enlightenment, that is the child and his parents responsibility.

The majority rules mentality does not trump the rights of the individual in regard the religious freedom. Those who believe differently are not, and should not be required to be subjected to beliefs contrary to their own. Your child should not be subjected to the teaching of say for example,Alister Crowley or Fred Phelps.

Every theology is subjected to the secular constraints of our public school system, yet it is only those familiar with the holy trinity that portray it as an infringement.

Private schools offer the environment you seek.

Were the public school to shoulder the responsibility of spiritual guidance, their methods would be subject to scrutiny and the law suits and arguments would be overwhelming.
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#220
Jun 21, 2013
 
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<quoted text>In other words, you do indeed want the freedom to force your religion upon others. You just don't want them to have the freedom to disagree with you.
Those signs have nothing to do with protecting freedom, but instead, furthering YOUR own hidden agenda.
If we allow the govt to force people to accept your spiritual beliefs, that would be a clear violation of our First Amendment rights.
Hope that gives you a clearer picture of what those signs are REALLY about...
you obviously didn't read or comprehend what this person just posted.
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Really! You had to go back and dig up a thread to comment on that was dead 7 months ago back in Nov. That is dumb.
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concerned11 wrote:
no, we dont need signs that remind us the bible exists,but we do need them for people to understand that we dont want some things thats going on the world to just be taken for granted like little bobbie or johnny have 2 dads and no mommy and him thinking this is normal
You are a hateful and judgement person. Who made you God? You are probably gay yourself, that's why you hate gays so much. You're pathetic.

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