107-year-old Holocaust survivor, Jehovah's Witness is star of 'Ladder in the Lions' Den' documentary

Nov 13, 2012 Full story: LA Daily News 42

12, 2012. The film depicts Engleitner s life as a Jehovah s Witness in Nazi concentration camps.

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#21 Nov 14, 2012
Wow
Jehovah is God

Tulsa, OK

#22 Nov 14, 2012
Jehovah's witnesses are prepared to give up their lives for Almighty God Jehovah, as Jesus did.

Do not think it was the military that saved Jehovah's witnesses, Jehovah God can rescue his children from the mouth of lions if he chooses to, we are willing to die rather than disobey our heavenly Father Jehovah, as Jesus did.

Unless you are a subject of Jesus as King in God's heavenly government, you will not survive the end of this world, soon to be here.
Start your Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses now, so you can make the necessary changes in your life to gain Almighty God Jehovah's approval, as Jesus taught.
Matthew 28:19,20

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#23 Nov 14, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
Do not think it was the military that saved Jehovah's witnesses, Jehovah God can rescue his children from the mouth of lions if he chooses to,
Even though I firmly believe in the principle upon which you base this statement, your application of it in this way is illogical and denies the simple history of what actually happened.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#24 Nov 14, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>
Even though I firmly believe in the principle upon which you base this statement, your application of it in this way is illogical and denies the simple history of what actually happened.
I so agree! I was ready to add a post very similar to yours before I saw what you had written :o)

We see that the bible says: "My God sent his angel, and he shut the mouths of the lions. They have not hurt me, because I was found innocent in his sight. Nor have I ever done any wrong before you, O king." (Daniel 6:22, NIV)

Some thoughts to consider in this lesson:

Points of Interest from Daniel in the Den of Lions:

Daniel is a type of Christ, a godly Bible character who foreshadows the coming Messiah. He is called blameless. In the lions' den miracle, Daniel's trial resembles that of Jesus before Pontius Pilate, and his escape from certain death is like Jesus' resurrection.

The lions' den also symbolized Daniel's captivity in Babylon, where God protected and sustained him because of his great faith.

Even though Daniel was an old man, he refused to take the easy way out and abandon God. The threat of an agonizing death did not change his faith or trust in God.

Daniel is not mentioned by name in Hebrews 11, the great Faith Hall of Fame, but he is alluded to in verse 33 as a prophet "who shut the mouth of lions."

Daniel was taken into captivity at the same time as Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.

Question for Reflection:

You might be enduring your own personal "den of lions" right now. The key is not to put your focus on your situation but rather on your all-powerful Protector; the Creator of all living things. Are you putting your faith in the Creator, through His Son, to rescue you?

To lump ALL faithful and godly examples of men and women in the bible and wrap them all up in a cloak of "they were as the JWs of today" is really off the charts of believability AND credibility....except, of course, for those constantly having their ears tickled by the GB in teaching how "extra-specially approved before God" only THEY are.
virginia

Miami, FL

#25 Nov 14, 2012
acrobat wrote:
What a story. Going to watch it for sure.
well, pray that all armies like hitlers become witnesses and then the problem wouldn't have exhisted!

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#26 Nov 14, 2012
Remnant143999 wrote:
<quoted text>You can't believe how men can treat another as shown by Hitler. How about the wtbts treating their own members,you either obey or your out! The wtbts doesnt care if disfellowshiping sends a brother or sister into a deep depresion or loses all their relationship with old friends or relatives or even if it drives them to suicide! Like Hitler it's al about control!
if this guy 107 years old,survived and live so long healthy life,
it means that Hitler didn't murder healthy young people or persecute them;lack of food allow him to survive,be healthy and happy old man today

also question arise,if really holocoust was happen?
all information everyone can receive from www.barnesreview.com

but Wtbs JW leadership torment and spiritualy destroy family relationship, spreading hate about those who left them,
divide family,own brothers wifes, children,
their spiritual atrocities are worse from hitler days

I left jw because of their Bible contradictings and lies,
but today also lost wife,brother, his family, and friends ,but faken friends JW I never need them.they never gave any helpful hand in the daily difficulties

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#27 Nov 14, 2012
virginia wrote:
<quoted text>well, pray that all armies like hitlers become witnesses and then the problem wouldn't have exhisted!
that would be worse problem ,from Hitler problems

JW would persecute and divide families among them who they don't want to anymore listen their meetings crap.

they teach,that during 1000 years after aramgedon resurected Abraham and prophets will fly airplanes with iron rod to punish all nations for disobedience to WTBS JW teachings

this nonsenes is very sad.because expose true nature and secret dreams of JW World regime under excuses that they serve Jehova,

instead serving GOD,THEY SERVE MASTER DECEIVER DEVIL WHO IS MASTER MIND OF NWO(new system of things)
jace

Clinton, MD

#28 Nov 14, 2012
acrobat

"I don't recall condemning anyone, do you?"

I never said that you did. In fact I asked you a question for further clarification on your viewpoint. I said:

"Question?

Do you condemn those who went to the army as sinning and freed the folks in the concentration camps, like the jw do?"

"I just wanted you to know that not everyone who has ever objected to war did so because they were of the JW faith."

Point well taken. I have an relative who went to Canada when i was a kid cause he felt as a black man who was mistreated living down south - there was no reason to fight for Rights he himself didn't have during the late 60's

"Maybe I didn't need to say it, I guess it's rather obvious."

yes it is, folks have made a decision not to fight as long as nations have been fighting

"Having said that though, you do realize that the average male JW in the concentration camp is there because he's a conscientious objector, refusing to join Hitler's military campaign, right?
So it's a bit of a cyclical argument, in a way."

Personally i would never compare Hitler's Army to the US Army- that's just me-

but my point remains the same- while my granddad along with others played a role by being in the army that resulted in Hitler's camps being shutdown- if that had been my grand dad locked up NOT ONE JW WOULD HAVE COME TO SAVE HIS BEHIND

and that was my only point-

Freedom "ain't" Free
jace

Clinton, MD

#29 Nov 14, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
Do not think it was the military that saved Jehovah's witnesses
yeaaaaa-

Do you read any history books my friend? Could you show me any publication besides ones WRITTEN BY JW-- that Says- Jehovah saved jw out of hitlers camps?
jace

Clinton, MD

#30 Nov 14, 2012
acrobat

My Question is still on the table

"Do you condemn those who went to the army as sinning and freed the folks in the concentration camps, like the jw do?"

This is a very simple question either you share jw views or you don't , it ain't rocket science
jace

Clinton, MD

#31 Nov 14, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>you never answered the question. do you think it improper that others risked their lives to free those in concentration camps, do you think God used them to help free the JW, or was it that he parted the gates, and just let them out.
great question
jace

Clinton, MD

#32 Nov 14, 2012
Remnant143999 wrote:
<quoted text>You can't believe how men can treat another as shown by Hitler. How about the wtbts treating their own members,you either obey or your out! The wtbts doesnt care if disfellowshiping sends a brother or sister into a deep depresion or loses all their relationship with old friends or relatives or even if it drives them to suicide! Like Hitler it's al about control!
point well taken
jace

Clinton, MD

#33 Nov 14, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
<quoted text>To lump ALL faithful and godly examples of men and women in the bible and wrap them all up in a cloak of "they were as the JWs of today" is really off the charts of believability AND credibility....except, of course, for those constantly having their ears tickled by the GB in teaching how "extra-specially approved before God" only THEY are.
great post

“John 4:23,24”

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#34 Nov 14, 2012
Jehovah is God wrote:
Jehovah's witnesses are prepared to give up their lives for Almighty God Jehovah, as Jesus did.
Do not think it was the military that saved Jehovah's witnesses, Jehovah God can rescue his children from the mouth of lions if he chooses to, we are willing to die rather than disobey our heavenly Father Jehovah, as Jesus did.
Unless you are a subject of Jesus as King in God's heavenly government, you will not survive the end of this world, soon to be here.
Start your Bible study with Jehovah's witnesses now, so you can make the necessary changes in your life to gain Almighty God Jehovah's approval, as Jesus taught.
Matthew 28:19,20
You speak truth. Jehovah will never let his people as a group perish. They will still be standing when all the military groups are gone. They have conventions now over Hitler's dead body.

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#35 Nov 14, 2012
jace wrote:
acrobat
My Question is still on the table
"Do you condemn those who went to the army as sinning and freed the folks in the concentration camps, like the jw do?"
This is a very simple question either you share jw views or you don't , it ain't rocket science
Again, it's not my place to condemn anyone, that is for God to judge whether or not they made the right choice.

I myself have always been, and would have been then, a conscientious objector.

I'm hoping that clarifies it?

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#36 Nov 14, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
<quoted text>
You speak truth. Jehovah will never let his people as a group perish. They will still be standing when all the military groups are gone. They have conventions now over Hitler's dead body.
Here's a thought-provoking question that has been discussed amongst myself and other mature ones:

Do you think that Jehovah manoeuvred Allied forces to ensure that not all of his German (and Polish, and Ukranian, etc) Witnesses would perish at the hand of Hitler?

Since: Mar 09

United States

#37 Nov 14, 2012
JW's help others in any situation...that is what they are...many died, while they did what they could to help another person.

http://www.holocaust-trc.org/Jehovah.htm
jace wrote:
This man's amazing story is a part of the sad history of how men can treat one another as shown by Hitler.
I often ask jw when the subject of Concentration camps come up. What it a good thing that my Granddad and many other men went to the Army during WWII and were able to save this man along with many others
and it is interesting to see the Deer in the Headlight look of the avg jw, where he knows it was by folks like my Granddad that anyone got out alive as they risk their own lives and how that if the tables were reversed my grand dad would have died waiting for a JW to get there

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#38 Nov 15, 2012
Nomi wrote:
JW's help others in any situation...that is what they are...many died, while they did what they could to help another person.
http://www.holocaust-trc.org/Jehovah.htm
<quoted text>
You glorify and promote halloween. Why would anyone even consider anything you say?

http://georgiasgifts-catblog.com/tag/hallowee...

Since: Sep 11

Brantford, Canada

#39 Nov 15, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's a thought-provoking question that has been discussed amongst myself and other mature ones:
Do you think that Jehovah manoeuvred Allied forces to ensure that not all of his German (and Polish, and Ukranian, etc) Witnesses would perish at the hand of Hitler?
My answer to that is no. My question back to you is this... If god existed, how could he bear the pain of watching his loyal servants being tortured and killed for no reason other than to make him feel validated? And does he deserve retribution for allowing it to occur?

I'm just a lowly human, but I would do everything in my power to protect the ones I love, and those who love me. Those are real qualities, and in my opinion makes us better than god could ever be. One last question, if god was real, as in you could see him, touch him and talk to him. Would you want him as a friend? I wouldn't, and that's just my opinion. But I feel I'm better than him. I don't have the ability to torture people so I can feel better about myself. I probably was too blunt in the way I said that, but it's a serious question.
Jace

Clinton, MD

#40 Nov 15, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, it's not my place to condemn anyone, that is for God to judge whether or not they made the right choice.
I myself have always been, and would have been then, a conscientious objector.
I'm hoping that clarifies it?
Point well taken

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