Ronald Reagan-the myth
Sunrise

Hurst, TX

#62 Nov 14, 2012
pappy wrote:
That isSessions numbers and not an independ study by the CRS--following his instructions Ryan done the sam on his requested study o his directions on hwothe study was to be done. Now was that an independent study done by the CRS. I had copies and notes of that crs paper some time back
Confused was referring to a REPORT not a STUDY.

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#63 Nov 14, 2012
Pappy,

So, you're discounting a study conducted by a sitting United States Senator? I see, that is why most people discount all you hippy, liberal, bullshit. You have a report in front of you that names the programs and total cost of all 84 of them, welfare is welfare. It specifically excludes, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, can you read?

If you would take time to wipe the liberal stew from you eyes you might realize that the report reflected "non - war" spending, aslo; it never mentioned the wars in Afghanistan. Furthermore, you are running out of people to blame, Bush has been gone for four years and Obama has had four years to pull our troops from war. So, it will be interesting, who; you will blame in 2016 for ongoing wars?

It's pretty apparent you can't keep on track in a debate. Once again, I could care less, what company receives the funds? As for Wal - Mart, why wouldn't they be the largest recipient, they're the largest retailer in the world? Are you that disconnected from common sense? However; when food stamps pay for fried chicken at Church's Chicken and Twinkies at the local Shit & Get, the program is fundamentally flawed.

I know you're a liberal that will never agree, however; I would hate to see all these "poor" people's Twinkies and Fried Chicken get cut off, since; they have no basic concept of economics.
Sunrise

Hurst, TX

#64 Nov 14, 2012
pappy wrote:
CONFUSED, that item came from SESSION and was written at hsi direction----he odes not even have the cost of each program he is talking about and what the cost of each program---welfare also includes the different vets bill Social Security, and medicare. All three earned and paid for by thsoe who served in the military, paid in to the social security program nd medicare.
Pappy, that is not correct at all. Veterans benefits, social security and medicare are NOT consider welfare. Social Security and Medicare are funded by deductions from future beneficiaries income. In addition those receiving Medicare are required to pay a monthly premium.
pappy wrote:
all either earned through service to their country or paid fro by the fica taxes. Now how does Jeff as his numbers compiled by him im his committee and desinated by hinm is what the CRS compiled at his direction. And agin what does Sessions define a a welfare program. I have the same 3 pages of the study. And yes the medicaide spending was enlarged to give thsoe kids whose fathers or family which had no jobs or ust plain poor. Like a great many kid in TEXAS. Do you know how much it ocst to keep one soldier in a war zone.? Or the continueing cost of war , that we are still paying for on a credit card.

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#65 Nov 14, 2012
Sunrise,

I could post CBO numbers and liberals would claim it was false, it doesn't matter where the numbers come from, liberals like Welfare, because; it wins elections. Liberals love welfare, however; they have, not a clue; how to keep funding the rising cost of entitlement programs.

However; they figured out how to control rising costs of medical care, didn't they?
Sunrise

Hurst, TX

#66 Nov 14, 2012
pappy wrote:
CONFUSED, ANOTHER COST THAT sESSIONS LEFT OUT IS THE CHOICE THAT bUSH MADE BY ABSOLUTE CHOICE IS THE COST O 2 WARS, ONE THAT IS STILL ONGOING. oR DID HE JUST FORGET THE COST OF THSOE 2 WARS WE ARE BEING CHARGED FOR ON A CREDIT CARD WITH THE CHINESE PLUS the growing cost of interest.
Pappy, I am of the opinion, based on the number of times you have mentioned the two wars that Bush started, that you feel that free cell phones, welfare and food stamps should be put ahead of protecting our country. The purpose of the government is to provide security and protect its citizens, not provide day to day needs for people who refuse to take responsibility for themselves.
Sunrise

Hurst, TX

#67 Nov 14, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
Sunrise,
I could post CBO numbers and liberals would claim it was false, it doesn't matter where the numbers come from, liberals like Welfare, because; it wins elections. Liberals love welfare, however; they have, not a clue; how to keep funding the rising cost of entitlement programs.
They think they have it figured out - raise taxes on the rich. They look upon the possessions of the rich as a never ending source.
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
However; they figured out how to control rising costs of medical care, didn't they?
Well, they screwed that up also. We haven't seen anything yet. I have been notified that my prescription drug coverage has been removed from my insurance as of January 1 as they get a jump on obamacare. I'm sure that is just the first change of many to come.
Sunrise

Hurst, TX

#68 Nov 14, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
Sunrise,
I could post CBO numbers and liberals would claim it was false, it doesn't matter where the numbers come from, liberals like Welfare, because; it wins elections. Liberals love welfare, however; they have, not a clue; how to keep funding the rising cost of entitlement programs.
However; they figured out how to control rising costs of medical care, didn't they?
You might should slip on over to the "Secession petitions filed in 20 states" thread. Pappy is answering some of your questions on that thread.:)
Sunrise

Hurst, TX

#69 Nov 14, 2012
pappy wrote:
Sun shine, I hear that quote about every program that suppements the poor, but never hear a word sid about the welfare supplements that corporations recieve even when they take their factories and jobs are offshored to foreign countries--wgre is that complaint , as I have yet to hear of it. And if you know of any abuse just report it. but of course you do not. As for people having so called multiple so called Obam phones that is jsut another GOP accusation. Cause there is no Obamphines as he has nothing to do with putting the programs into use. And if you hear of anyone abusing food stamps just droppped a dime on them and make that call.
Pappy, I am trying to get a grip on how democrats think. Would you please answer these questions? Obama keeps saying that the rich must pay their fair share and it appears that all democrats agree with him.
1. Do you consider being rich and being wealthy the same thing? If not what is the distinction between the two?
2. At what point is a person considered rich or wealthy?$10,000?$100,000?$500, 000? or more?
3. What percent of a person wealth should be given to the government?
4. Why should a person be required to share their wealth with others just because they have more than the other person?
Only in America

United States

#70 Nov 14, 2012
We are watching the destruction of our country and it will be accomplished in full by the end of Obama
reign. History will record our death as a result of the will of the people. How could it be anything but the will of the people? We voted him in didn't we?

St. Lucie county in Florida had 140% of the eligible voters vote in this last election. So assuming we had 100% turn out of all eligible voters we still 40% above that who voted in this election. Does anyone see a problem with that?

It was not isolated to just St. Lucie county irregularies have been reported all over the U.S. but hey we are stuck with government we voted for and without the will for fair,I.D. required in elections, we will have these kinds of elections where the dead,illegals,multiple votes cast in multiple locations...

Yes the DEATH OF AMERICA.

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#71 Nov 14, 2012
Only In America,

Yes I see the irregularities and continue to watch everyone ignore the very facts, that you pointed out.

I really believe the dynamic resides in the fact, that majority rules, which; it should? However; the majority, now consists of government dependent, people, who feel entitled to contribute nothing, however; feel entitled to recieve everything.

Unfortunately, govenment is a great facilitator of the recipient, entitlement, class and will continue to facilitate our demise, with that very model.

The amazing dynamic is reading liberal posts that defend the liberal position, to which; they will not veer and inch, off the beaten path.
Sunrise

Hurst, TX

#72 Nov 14, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
Only In America,
Yes I see the irregularities and continue to watch everyone ignore the very facts, that you pointed out.
I really believe the dynamic resides in the fact, that majority rules, which; it should? However; the majority, now consists of government dependent, people, who feel entitled to contribute nothing, however; feel entitled to recieve everything.
Unfortunately, govenment is a great facilitator of the recipient, entitlement, class and will continue to facilitate our demise, with that very model.
The amazing dynamic is reading liberal posts that defend the liberal position, to which; they will not veer and inch, off the beaten path.
Well said.
pappy

Lewisville, TX

#73 Nov 16, 2012
Confused, you seem to leave out the dependency of the corporations that live off of the goverment, get bills passed that favor their taxatioon thats enriches them even more. That dependency you speak so much of is not only gotten by people who are not dependent on the goverment but just lets them live a little better life. How about the elerly seniors that are on S.S. and medicare plus medicaiod that helps ease their lives a little bit--would you like to take that away from them also. Teh way things are going with the retirement syaten there just might not be any priovate retirement to retire on, so you better hope that S.S. security and medicare is there for future retirees. Along with medicaid. As you might jsut be one of thsoe that your private 401 k willl go down the flusher as a lot of them did when the big recession hit and thsoe retirements lost a lot of value. And one thing about it youprobably do not have enough money to offshore it to a tax haven as Romney has done with all of his money. You folks can lose all of your wealth overnight and be glad thsoe safety nets are there for the people. Never can tell what the future holds for tommorow. Just be glad its today, as tommorow never comes.

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#74 Nov 19, 2012
pappy wrote:
Confused, you seem to leave out the dependency of the corporations that live off of the goverment, get bills passed that favor their taxatioon thats enriches them even more. That dependency you speak so much of is not only gotten by people who are not dependent on the goverment but just lets them live a little better life. How about the elerly seniors that are on S.S. and medicare plus medicaiod that helps ease their lives a little bit--would you like to take that away from them also. Teh way things are going with the retirement syaten there just might not be any priovate retirement to retire on, so you better hope that S.S. security and medicare is there for future retirees. Along with medicaid. As you might jsut be one of thsoe that your private 401 k willl go down the flusher as a lot of them did when the big recession hit and thsoe retirements lost a lot of value. And one thing about it youprobably do not have enough money to offshore it to a tax haven as Romney has done with all of his money. You folks can lose all of your wealth overnight and be glad thsoe safety nets are there for the people. Never can tell what the future holds for tommorow. Just be glad its today, as tommorow never comes.
Pappy,

So, what your saying is I should put more faith in a government, that; has provent to have no "fiscal restraint"? Is that your recommendation? I mean the stock market has proven to be a far better investment vehicle, than any government backed system in existence.

Essentially, I am forced to place my money in a social security account, to which: I may draw a total 10 years, given current life expectancy of American males. When you calculate the amount of money and the return, it correlates to a 2% return on my "forced investment". Would you place your hard earned money in such a shitty investment? Nobody in their right mind would, so; that explains, why; everyone forced into Social Security.

It really boils down to the fact of taxation. If you're taxed, you're enslaved, you liberals; seem to miss that point, quite often? I had rather pay no taxes and live my life on my terms. If I fail to plan for retirement, I live in a box, during my Golden Years. However; currently, I plan my retirement and pay for a complete strangers retirement in the process, due to; taxes and more taxes and more taxes, to keep the entitled, functioning. Meanwhile, I must work longer and harder to fund your pipe dream of "Utopia", where nobody works and evryone thrives.

As for the elderly, once again; you liberals and your semantics, you automatically, want to play on emotion. Nobody is advocating, "cutting grandma and grandpa, off". However; if you gave everyone in America (that actually works) a choice to "opt out" of Social Security, it would go bankrupt in a single day.

In summary, the way to improve your life is not government, it is improving yourself. However; government is making it harder and harder for an individual to achieve, that; very notion.
Sunrise

United States

#75 Nov 19, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
<quoted text>
Pappy,
So, what your saying is I should put more faith in a government, that; has provent to have no "fiscal restraint"? Is that your recommendation? I mean the stock market has proven to be a far better investment vehicle, than any government backed system in existence.
Essentially, I am forced to place my money in a social security account, to which: I may draw a total 10 years, given current life expectancy of American males. When you calculate the amount of money and the return, it correlates to a 2% return on my "forced investment". Would you place your hard earned money in such a shitty investment? Nobody in their right mind would, so; that explains, why; everyone forced into Social Security.
It really boils down to the fact of taxation. If you're taxed, you're enslaved, you liberals; seem to miss that point, quite often? I had rather pay no taxes and live my life on my terms. If I fail to plan for retirement, I live in a box, during my Golden Years. However; currently, I plan my retirement and pay for a complete strangers retirement in the process, due to; taxes and more taxes and more taxes, to keep the entitled, functioning. Meanwhile, I must work longer and harder to fund your pipe dream of "Utopia", where nobody works and evryone thrives.
As for the elderly, once again; you liberals and your semantics, you automatically, want to play on emotion. Nobody is advocating, "cutting grandma and grandpa, off". However; if you gave everyone in America (that actually works) a choice to "opt out" of Social Security, it would go bankrupt in a single day.
In summary, the way to improve your life is not government, it is improving yourself. However; government is making it harder and harder for an individual to achieve, that; very notion.
Well said.
pappy

Lewisville, TX

#76 Nov 19, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
Pappy,
So, you're discounting a study conducted by a sitting United States Senator? I see, that is why most people discount all you hippy, liberal, bullshit. You have a report in front of you that names the programs and total cost of all 84 of them, welfare is welfare. It specifically excludes, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, can you read?
If you would take time to wipe the liberal stew from you eyes you might realize that the report reflected "non - war" spending, aslo; it never mentioned the wars in Afghanistan. Furthermore, you are running out of people to blame, Bush has been gone for four years and Obama has had four years to pull our troops from war. So, it will be interesting, who; you will blame in 2016 for ongoing wars?
It's pretty apparent you can't keep on track in a debate. Once again, I could care less, what company receives the funds? As for Wal - Mart, why wouldn't they be the largest recipient, they're the largest retailer in the world? Are you that disconnected from common sense? However; when food stamps pay for fried chicken at Church's Chicken and Twinkies at the local Shit & Get, the program is fundamentally flawed.
I know you're a liberal that will never agree, however; I would hate to see all these "poor" people's Twinkies and Fried Chicken get cut off, since; they have no basic concept of economics.
CONFUSED, you certainly use the right name, as the GOP did create a myth in aNDD TO THAT MYTH, AS i CALL it, the ronald Reagan myth. Teh GOP always fail to mention the many times he rised the taxes , and the amny times he raised the debt limit. they also fail to mention his part in ignoring the savinga and loand crisis tilll it was doomed. And we are stillll paying for that loss with tax payers money. Even the SL F ICO did not have enough money in it to payoff the savings and loan debt, so teh goverment once agin went to the taxpayer. The same happend under Bush 2 on wall street financial failure. Even now the FDIC has not enough money in it to cover future losses in the financial future losses on leveraged deals that run as hifgh as 40 or 50 to one. And you GOPeers cry about the goverment debt of leverage at 1-1 . Anyone that knows how to ba,ance a check book could balance our federal busdget just by using common sense, with ease. THE GOP elected officials lied about the Bsuh tax cuts being tempory and do not want to put the taxes back to where they were originally Just as Reagan just kept on adding to our debt , so they also add to our debt at thsi period of time. Just blame Obama for the cost of Bush made by choice we are still continuse to add to our debt.
pappy

Lewisville, TX

#77 Nov 19, 2012
CNFUSED, yopu have a nice day and enjoy that Reagan Myth aND MAY THE GOOD LORD BLESS YOU MANY TIMES.
pappy

Lewisville, TX

#78 Nov 19, 2012
nOW TELL ME Confused why you think Reagan is not a GOP made myth? What is not the trut I speak of. Did not and does not teh GOPers nt use Reagan and espouse his doings and leave out important parts of the decisions he made as president. Even today get a laugh from the monkey antics he and the chimp played in the movies. And one thing I do not menation is any dislike for the man. as Iliked him. He will be lost to movie land forever. He was also a good actor in being a president also.

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#79 Nov 20, 2012
pappy wrote:
<quoted text> CONFUSED, you certainly use the right name, as the GOP did create a myth in aNDD TO THAT MYTH, AS i CALL it, the ronald Reagan myth. Teh GOP always fail to mention the many times he rised the taxes , and the amny times he raised the debt limit. they also fail to mention his part in ignoring the savinga and loand crisis tilll it was doomed. And we are stillll paying for that loss with tax payers money. Even the SL F ICO did not have enough money in it to payoff the savings and loan debt, so teh goverment once agin went to the taxpayer. The same happend under Bush 2 on wall street financial failure. Even now the FDIC has not enough money in it to cover future losses in the financial future losses on leveraged deals that run as hifgh as 40 or 50 to one. And you GOPeers cry about the goverment debt of leverage at 1-1 . Anyone that knows how to ba,ance a check book could balance our federal busdget just by using common sense, with ease. THE GOP elected officials lied about the Bsuh tax cuts being tempory and do not want to put the taxes back to where they were originally Just as Reagan just kept on adding to our debt , so they also add to our debt at thsi period of time. Just blame Obama for the cost of Bush made by choice we are still continuse to add to our debt.
v

Pappy,

You really should quit drinking, since; you have a tendency to not make sense and ramble. However; all your drinking aside, you still want to blame Ronald Reagan and Bush for the deficits of today, right?

Well, you keep believing your "Obama" myth, also; and keep telling yourself that it is not amazing, how a budget has not been approved by Congress in over 4 years? You keep telling yourself that the deficit is scheduled to be over 16 trillion dollars for fiscal year 2012 and Obama had nothing to do with the 5 trillion dollars he added to it and plans to add another trillion, plus; in 2013. You keep telling yourself that America has a revenue problem and and discount the spending problem. You just keep believing that Obamacare will make health care cheaper, when rates have already risen across the board? You keep telling yourself that Obama is not a "job killing" president, just read a newspaper? You just keep telling yourself that wind and solar energy is sustainable, meanwhile; Obama puts coal and natural gas production in the poor house. Somehow, all the items I just mentioned are not Bush or Reagan policy, however; they are 100% Obama Policy, so; you just keep believing the shit you're pushing and we will see how long your Social Security checks, last?
Sunrise

United States

#80 Nov 20, 2012
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
<quoted text>v
Pappy,
You really should quit drinking, since; you have a tendency to not make sense and ramble. However; all your drinking aside, you still want to blame Ronald Reagan and Bush for the deficits of today, right?
Well, you keep believing your "Obama" myth, also; and keep telling yourself that it is not amazing, how a budget has not been approved by Congress in over 4 years? You keep telling yourself that the deficit is scheduled to be over 16 trillion dollars for fiscal year 2012 and Obama had nothing to do with the 5 trillion dollars he added to it and plans to add another trillion, plus; in 2013. You keep telling yourself that America has a revenue problem and and discount the spending problem. You just keep believing that Obamacare will make health care cheaper, when rates have already risen across the board? You keep telling yourself that Obama is not a "job killing" president, just read a newspaper? You just keep telling yourself that wind and solar energy is sustainable, meanwhile; Obama puts coal and natural gas production in the poor house. Somehow, all the items I just mentioned are not Bush or Reagan policy, however; they are 100% Obama Policy, so; you just keep believing the shit you're pushing and we will see how long your Social Security checks, last?
And all the while obama is wearing the wheels off Air Force One. He has been successful in getting is rhetoric across to the likes of Pappy. He no longer needs them. He is now hopping from one third-world country to another parading around like a king and playing Santa Claus. And all the while the US is about to go over the cliff economically. Spending is out of control. Obama has created class warfare with his "rich must pay their fair share" garbage and he is calling people who make $200,000 wealthy. He has destroyed our health care. His support of unions has destroyed jobs or sent them overseas. Well you know the rest.

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#81 Nov 21, 2012
Sunrise wrote:
<quoted text>Pappy, I am trying to get a grip on how democrats think. Would you please answer these questions? Obama keeps saying that the rich must pay their fair share and it appears that all democrats agree with him.
1. Do you consider being rich and being wealthy the same thing? If not what is the distinction between the two?
2. At what point is a person considered rich or wealthy?$10,000?$100,000?$500, 000? or more?
3. What percent of a person wealth should be given to the government?
4. Why should a person be required to share their wealth with others just because they have more than the other person?
Sunrise,

It's quite interesting when you ask a liberal, poignant, questions, such as; the question posted by you and never receive a response?

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