A 'hell on Horton Road' for family of...

A 'hell on Horton Road' for family of murder victim

There are 1124 comments on the Newsday.com story from Feb 14, 2006, titled A 'hell on Horton Road' for family of murder victim. In it, Newsday.com reports that:

It hardly matters anymore to Richard and Victoria Tinyes that the Golubs will be leaving Horton Road in Valley Stream." /> Long Island A 'hell on Horton Road' Pending sale of the home of their daughter's killer ...

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All American Drive Inn

Plainview, NY

#123 Jun 10, 2009
I really dont want to go into this, but you are correct in the way she passed away, she was strangled, but could have died a number of ways that day, the stabbing, the insane beating and the choking. They lied that day for the same reason they still lie today, sick evil people. The other guys IMHO opinion knew something was going on, and might have even saw something, yet to this day, their story is...we were getting high and listening to loud music.

I wonder if Robert is someones wife in jail?? Really Im surprised he hasnt been beaten in the 20 he has been in there, child rapists and killers are well loved in jail, they love to beat them up, they love to rape them....Whos next to crack, whos gonna talk?? Someone else said the "nutjob"....I'd bet my money on Robert, he will crack under pressure!

Adri, Im glad you are feeling so strongly about this case and you support of kelly, have you seen the other forum that all about Kelly?? Your opinions would be welcomed there!

Justice for Kelly!!
Adri

United States

#124 Jun 10, 2009
Thank you All American. I strongly support Kelly because we were school mates ,not friends , I knew her from sight and it was tramstizing. I will look into other forums for Kelly, if u don't mind would you might telling me the other forum so I can express my thoughts.

Kelly you will get justice honey
Adri

AOL

#125 Jun 11, 2009
I would also like to add, even though I hate to say this but Kelly had something to do with the golubs or else why would she have taken a call and got ready to even go to there house.. I can tell you one thing , I wouldnt go in someones home and not have anything to do with them.. so who really knows what was going on between them but she obviously had something to do with them..they should look into this further aswel.
All American Drive Inn

Brooklyn, NY

#126 Jun 22, 2009
The only thing I feel that Kelly had in common with the Golubs is they live five doors away from each other, Ive lived in my home for 10 years and I hardly know my neighbors other than a wave, she wasnt with John J, other than being a neighbor, in order to get to his house walking home from school, on peninsula, he would have to walk down the block, passing Kellys house, so at one point or another their paths crossed.

JUSTICE FOR KELLY TINYES!
The Last Boy Scout

De Pere, WI

#127 Aug 10, 2009
If you believe everything that was written in the book "Against Her Will" you are naive and gullible! The book was simply a compilation of news articles, police reports and half assed interviews. The police and the DA at that time wanted a conviction and Robert Golub best suited their needs at the time, not to say that he wasn't involved. John Jay Golub called Kelly that day because he wanted to show off in front of his friends. The previous day JJ, and the other two boys were at another home where one of the boy's was with a girl. Their activity to say the least was very sexual. JJ went through the parents bedroom drawers and found some pot. That pot is what JJ used to entice his friends to come to his house. JJ wanted to be a bigshot and show off with the pot and Kelly. He was an outsider to these two friends. JJ and Kelly were seeing each other on the sly behind the garages on Horton Rd.
I know this to be a fact, right from the horses mouth, and I'm not talking about Kelly either.

The detectives discounted any statement that pointed towards any other suspects. I'm sure any detective that worked on the case will remember the phrase: "Half a loaf is better than none."
Robert Golubs attorney sold him down the river during the trial. He was seen having eats with the Asst.DA prosecuting the case. He hated Robert because he believed, rightfully so, that Robert was involved with Kelly's murder. He should be ashamed of himself as a defence attorney, he should be disbarred. Robert IS where he belongs, his philosophy is what good would it do to rat out his brother JJ, it would only add to his familys problems and solidify his guilt. He would gain nothing from antagonizing JJ. I have read the comments of the attorney who states that he represents JJ. He believes what JJ has told him, but he's wrong in believing that the DA has nothing, very wrong. The writer who stated that the DA has only one shot at convicting JJ is right. It has to be right the first time or he walks away and can never be tried again for this crime. I believe that the evidence gathered in the case was manipulated to produce only one suspect Robert Golub. There should have been two.
If you think that the other two boys passed the polygraphs, you have another thing coming! If you believe that JJ only left the bedroom for a minute or two, you are wrong. John Jay will get his day in court, but on the terms of the new detectives on the case and the new DA. God Bless you Kelly Ann, I have never forgotten you or my promise.
All American Drive Inn

Plainview, NY

#128 Aug 10, 2009
Ive said this before and I will say it again and again....NO ONE has forgotten KELLY TINYES!
I made my promise to her as well, and plan upon keeping it.
Diane from Canada

Trois-rivières, Canada

#129 Aug 12, 2009
Regarding the book.

I would like to point out that although many people have discredited the book “Against Her Will” and it may be true that it might not have been 100% accurate with the info. My message is for all of you who think the book is garbage. We don’t all live in Valley Stream or in the USA. So guess what this book is what put Kelly’s story on the map for us!!! If it wasn’t for this book we might not have ever heard of her story. And the book might have been a combination of news articles and police reports but guess what its more than we had. So please stop knocking the people that have read the book and please stop trying to make us look like fools for reading it.
JeReviens

Mahwah, NJ

#130 Aug 15, 2009
Yours is a fascinating post, Last Boy Scout -- and it surely sounds as if you have a lot of info that I haven't seen reported elsewhere. I've been following this case since it happened and I have never stopped looking for info about it, even long before there was an internet. I watched the trial on TV and listened to the testimony of those boys. I could not tell if they were lying or not. I believe that the police put too much emphasis on the lie detector tests that those boys supposedly passed "with flying colors" no less. How do you know that this was not the case?
(You probably know that lie detector tests aren't admissible in court, but I suppose it 'looks good' if a suspect is willing to take one.)
The lack of physical evidence against John J. or his friends seems to me to be the biggest stumbling block to charging John J with anything. I very much doubt that John J. will ever give any evidence against himself, and I completely agree with you that there's no incentive for Robert to confess to anything now. I've always hoped that those 2 other boys would say something to someone about the events of that afternoon. Are you very certain that John J and Kelly were meeting secretly? Even if John J told someone this, it could have been just his own fantasy. I've always felt that they may have been aware of each other and may have been 'crushing' on each other. I can see him trying to impress his friends as you say, and maybe he called her and said that he had a birthday gift for her.(Wasn't her birthday the next day?) She might go over there to get it, figuring she'd go right back home to her little brother.
Do you have any opinion on the 6 year old's story -- the one who claimed to see the crime as it took place, through a basement window? She also said that she saw Kelly in an upstairs window. I have lived here on Long Island for over 20 years and I once met a psychologist who had interviewed that child before the trial. I'd love to know your thoughts about that.
NAZZ

West Hempstead, NY

#131 Aug 16, 2009
Last Boy Scouts post was indeed interesting and I hope for the sake of this now open case he has been in touch with the Nassau Police Dept.

Last Boy Scout and Jeriviens, have you seen the online forum thats totally dedicated to Kelly Tinyes? A lot of info on that one as well, some I havent seen or heard anywhere else, from locals and others Long Islanders and people from around the world.
http://watchingrobertpickton88015.yuku.com/to...

I have heard that they paid little or no attention to the 6 year olds story due to her age.
Kellys birthday was the next day and I agree with you on they called her with a birthday gift or party of some sort. I think Robert is trying to save his family of any more grief and embarassment. But honestly they dont reopen old cases like this, especially one that was NATIONAL news for no reason, they have to have something they are going on, so the story will be there to haunt them. And if they were so intent on escaping any embarassing way of life why didnt they move YEARS ago?
In a Newsday interview Robert still claims that he didnt do it, well then who did??

“We get what we anticipate...”

Since: Aug 09

Long Island, NY

#132 Aug 16, 2009
I discovered the site you mentioned ( http://watchingrobertpickton88015.yuku.com/to ...) a few days ago, read up on it and posted there too - thanks!

You're right, the psychologist I spoke to who claimed to have interviewed the 6 year old child for the prosecution told me that she was just too young and that the details were sketchy. She'd claimed that she saw Kelly in an upstairs window one moment, and in the same instant, also saw Kelly through a basement window being attacked by more than one person.

To this day (she's a young woman now) she says that she knows what she saw. Her mother remembers that even before Kelly's disappearance was noted, her child had clearly been very disturbed by something she saw that afternoon.

The psychologist said that he was completely convinced that the child saw something, but that she'd not be a good witness in court and most important of all, he felt it would be damaging for the child to go through that experience.

The physical evidence all pointed to Robert (and there was plenty of it!) ; he did it. He'll never get out. In order to get parole, you have to show remorse, and if he doesn't admit to the crime, he'll have to stay right where he belongs, in jail. Even if he admitted it, there's a good chance he wouldn't get out -- too much publicity.

It's my feeling that JJ was involved too. Looks to me like he made the phone call and let her in. Law enforcement felt that she was attacked very soon after entering the house. Her leather jacket had been damaged in a way that suggested that she had been poked and jabbed with the bayonet as she was forced down to the basement, probably right after she came in.
Kelly's phone number was printed on a white board near the phone (located right near the basement door.(The number was erased shortly after the police entered the house.)

I always felt that Robert was the 'goat' of his wildly dysfunctional family -- they 'threw him under the bus' and let him take the whole rap. I was told by someone I knew in law enforcement that the reason the case was reopened was because Nassau County got a new DA. Dennis Dillon was not interested in reopening it; Kathleen Rice decided to take a fresh look at it.

The only new evidence that can come up at this point is for Robert, JJ, or one of those 2 boys to come forward. Wonder if anyone would consider a 'deal' of some kind? It's tough, because it doesn't look as if they have anything to hold over anyone's head. I'd love to be wrong about that, though.
Chocolate Fix

Ephrata, PA

#134 Aug 24, 2009
I would like the Last Boy scout to post some more, it seems that he knows a lot about the case.
Shar 001

UK

#135 Sep 8, 2009
NAZZ wrote:
Last Boy Scouts post was indeed interesting and I hope for the sake of this now open case he has been in touch with the Nassau Police Dept.
Last Boy Scout and Jeriviens, have you seen the online forum thats totally dedicated to Kelly Tinyes? A lot of info on that one as well, some I havent seen or heard anywhere else, from locals and others Long Islanders and people from around the world.
http://watchingrobertpickton88015.yuku.com/to...
I have heard that they paid little or no attention to the 6 year olds story due to her age.
Kellys birthday was the next day and I agree with you on they called her with a birthday gift or party of some sort. I think Robert is trying to save his family of any more grief and embarassment. But honestly they dont reopen old cases like this, especially one that was NATIONAL news for no reason, they have to have something they are going on, so the story will be there to haunt them. And if they were so intent on escaping any embarassing way of life why didnt they move YEARS ago?
In a Newsday interview Robert still claims that he didnt do it, well then who did??
Hello Nazz and JeReviens. Thankyou for the support you give the forum that means a lot to me (to us). I was looking online again for more articles as often 'the little things' can hold much more truth than we could ever realise. In all this time, 20 years I find it so odd hat not one of these boys have said anything either, not that we know of I mean. Robert Golub has insinuated it was his younger brother if you look at this picture again with saying;"Ask him" when asked about the falling out. I think it is a strong possibility Robert was the oe who used the 'bayonet' and the knife, although he did not want to get his hands dirty he would be out to impress John Jay. JJ I think lured Kelly over to the house because she may have wrote to him that day, Robert had been going through the mail and handed John J a letter...however we dont know what that letter was, it was never elaborated on. When John Jay spoke to young Ritchy with "Get Kelly" and keeping in mind this was a 55 second phone call, not very long, dosen't it strike anyone else as an abrupt hurried tone? Perhaps Im reading too much in to this but I strongly feel that Robert was the muscle behind the mouth, John Jay must have realised his bullying would only get him so far and then big bro steps in. We do know Robert admired his younger brother.In short, I feel these three boys stomped on her, she was possibly pushed down the basement stairs or dragged down by the hair then after a group mentality of incessant rage I think Robert stepped in. They didnt plan on everyone looking for Kelly so soon they planned to get her body in to the boat and in to the water.
The 'lot' of them should make their decent back in to hell. all that time Mr.Golub claimed his son was innocent and yet only visited his son the once shows you his cappacity for causing trouble is in him, a bad minded glumb man.Elizabeth Golub seems void of any realism too, its hard to comprehend why this family have no remorse towards Kelly or her family. My heart breaks for this child and her loved ones and the people who have lived through this and still are. I dont think that the investigation is going to be going on as long as we think and justice will be served sooner, I hope.No I dont stay near Valley stream but my heart is with this every day of my life.
Sharon.
JUSTICE FOR KELLY
Diane_dg1952

Trois-rivières, Canada

#136 Sep 8, 2009
NAZZ wrote:
Last Boy Scout and Jeriviens, have you seen the online forum thats totally dedicated to Kelly Tinyes? A lot of info on that one as well, some I havent seen or heard anywhere else, from locals and others Long Islanders and people from around the world.
http://watchingrobertpickton88015.yuku.com/to...
Hi NAZZ thank you so much for supporting our forum and posting the link we really appreciate it and it means a lot to us.
Thanks to you JeReviens is now a member and a welcome addition to say the least, we hope that more of you come and check out our forum we have a huge section dedicated entirely to Kelly and we would love to hear your thoughts on this case.
We all want the same thing JUSTICE FOR KELLY
Diane A.KA. dg
The Last Boy Scout

De Pere, WI

#137 Sep 8, 2009
The Nassau County D.A.'s Office has decided not to go forward with charges against John J. Golub at this time. Lack of physical evidence and/or a confession from John would be necessary to bring it to a Grand Jury. Dennis Dillon the former Nassau County D.A. really screwed the investigation up and basically let him off the hook. Remember Dennis "Half a Loaf is Better Than None?"

I am the only person to ever interview John Jay Golub "in depth". He made incriminating statements at that time. The problem is...any crimes that he could have been charged with, except the homicide have exceeded the statute of limitations. Such as the erasing of Kelly's telephone number from the dry erase board next to the telephone in the Golub house while the police were in the house. To be continued...God Bless you Kelly Ann, I have never forgotten you or my promise.
The Last Boy Scout

De Pere, WI

#138 Sep 8, 2009
To John J. Golub:

John, it's been awhile since we last talked, but I haven't forgotten one word that you told me. You belong in prison and I'm going to do everything in my power to see that you end up there. Life must be good in New Jersey huh? Now my young friend let your mind wander and try to remember who I am, and what you told me. I hope you lose some sleep over it. It shouldn't be hard to figure out who I am. I want you to know that interviewing you on those multiple occassions gave me great pleasure and at the same time "the creeps." There is no doubt in my mind that you called Kelly and that you initiated the assault on her. I think that I'll put you on You Tube so the world can draw their own conclusions about your guilt or innocense.
Stand by John Jay This is going to be your day in the sun! God Bless you Kelly Ann, I have never forgotten you or my promise.

“We get what we anticipate...”

Since: Aug 09

Long Island, NY

#139 Sep 8, 2009
Thank you for coming back to post, Boy Scout. I always believed that JJ's family 'lawyered up' right away and that he couldn't be interviewed without a parent being present. I wish I knew whatever you know, but you probably have good reasons for being circumspect.

Can any pressure be brought to bear on the other 2 young men who were in the Golub home that day?

Is there any way the public can help you?

Thanks again for anything you can do to help bind guilty parties to justice.
Shar 001

UK

#140 Sep 9, 2009
Hello Boy Scout. I admire your gutts and your integrity. You seem to know what makes John Jay tick. Now, if, as JeReviens says here, the public can help well that is why we are all here we have been shouting about this creep since we knew about Kelly. There is no doubt that John Jay inituated the attack.!!!!! I also beleive Robert was thrown to the wolves and rightly so. If Batann and Macmahon had been involved and saw what went on, I think they did why then are they too so silent do they have protection?

I'm sorry to come accross as pressing you I'm just so eager to see that Kelly and her family get the justice they deserve so much. I wish too I knew what you know because it is just a crazy, sad, sittuation.
Good luck whatever you decide,
Justice for Kelly.
adri

AOL

#141 Sep 20, 2009
Last boy scout,
if you don't mind telling us what was that word JJ told you that you will never f0orget ?
josh

Montclair, NJ

#142 Oct 17, 2009
john is a piece of shit, he fired my friend who was a manager for some dumb shit man....MURDERER...shouts to all the haitian

“We get what we anticipate...”

Since: Aug 09

Long Island, NY

#143 Oct 18, 2009
Saw on the news tonight that the Golubs finally left Horton Road earlier today. GOOD RIDDANCE.

It's still not over, though. It doesn't end until the guilty parties are brought to justice -- ALL of them.

JUSTICE FOR KELLY

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