Arguments against gay marriage echo those heard against racial intermarriage

Jan 6, 2013 Full story: www.courier-journal.com 138

When Gulnare Freewill Baptist Church in Pike County, Ky., voted last year to bar interracial couples as members, the condemnation was swift and universal: The head of the county ministers association said, "This is not the spirit of the community in any way, shape or form."

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straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#126 Jan 11, 2013
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I might or might not. It would depend on context.
What I WOULD do (and am now) is point out how colloquial turns of phrase demonstrate how religion can permeate a cultural unconscious, motivating individuals and structuring their presuppositions.
In your case, it's just subtle evidence. of this cultural/historical influence.
Has it made YOU a better person in any way and, through you, improved the culture?
first let me get my waders on ...
BTW, how is your mom?

Since: Mar 09

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#127 Jan 11, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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no I didn't, they do so under STATES RIGHTS, which if you thought about it, means the state has the right and theredfore the gays DO NOT...
think about it!
The Rights of individual Citizens supercede the governments which they create.

That's basic.
straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#128 Jan 11, 2013
snyper wrote:
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The Rights of individual Citizens supercede the governments which they create.
That's basic.
very true, and those rights not expressly granted to the federal govt are RESERVED by the states...
and yes, that includes the police powers which include the ability to define marriage...

I mean, you don't suggest we have a natural right to a govt issued license do you?

that's why you are free to live with, love, and boink anyone you want...
but not free to define marriage as YOU see fit, its as WE see fit...

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#129 Jan 11, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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first let me get my waders on ...
BTW, how is your mom?
She died decades ago? How is she pertinent?
straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#130 Jan 11, 2013
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She died decades ago? How is she pertinent?
I just figured I would return the favor of bring up moms...

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#131 Jan 11, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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I just figured I would return the favor of bring up moms...
When?
straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#132 Jan 11, 2013
snyper wrote:
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When?
okay, you brought up my parents...
for most that includes a mom...

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#133 Jan 12, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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okay, you brought up my parents...
for most that includes a mom...
Throughout history, no. It's the dad that was missing due to war and disease, or the mom through disease and childbirth.

Single parent and single sex households (multi-generational) were FAR more the norm among the non-nobility.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#134 Jan 12, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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I just figured I would return the favor of bring up moms...
Moms are lovely. And some kids are lucky enough to have two of them. Dads can be wonderful, too. And some kids have two of those!

Some kids are even blessed with grandparents, siblings, and there all sorts of loving family combinations.

Some married couples even choose NOT to have kids!

But what does any of that have to do with preventing same sex couples from obtaining the same sort of marriage license that a straight couple can?

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#135 Jan 12, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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okay, you brought up my parents...
for most that includes a mom...
But not all, of course. Some fathers are raising kids without Moms, and many Moms are raising kids without fathers. Some kids have two Moms or Two Dads. Some children are raised by relatives who are NOT Mom or Dad.

And some kids are raised by strangers, and would love to have ANY parent to call their own.

But none of that is relevant with regards to legal marriage.

To deny same sex couples legal marriage, you need to show where such marriage harms that couple, any kids they might have, and society at large.

Can you do that?

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#136 Jan 12, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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..........
that's why you are free to live with, love, and boink anyone you want...
but not free to define marriage as YOU see fit, its as WE see fit...
The folks who are doing the re-defining are the anti-gay crowd. All of those discriminatory amendments and laws and such are fairly recent.

And why should YOU be able to de-define marriage as YOU see fit, with no rational or logical basis for that re-definition?

In this country, to do that, you need to prove that there is some reason other than "I don't like them, they are icky" to deny basic human and civil rights, and equality under the law.

Can you do that?
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#137 Jan 12, 2013
Gay folks represent egalitarian principles... they show how equality should work. In those respects, gay folks are better parents for children, instead of man beating on woman, and teaching children about hierarchy.

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#139 Jan 12, 2013
Our opposition certainly DOES exist within an echo chamber.
JrEsq

El Segundo, CA

#140 Jan 12, 2013
snyper wrote:
Our opposition certainly DOES exist within an echo chamber.
The gays don't need an echo chamber. They practice argumentum ad nauseum.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#141 Jan 12, 2013
Wats the justification for having female and male parents ? It's a stupid institution, and there's too much child abuse and molestation and divorce to say that's a great set-up. It's not. It's horrible, and traumatizing. So what's the justification for that ? B/c their genitalia is different ? How does that help, or hurt, how a person can raise a child ?

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JrEsq

El Segundo, CA

#142 Jan 12, 2013
John Masters wrote:
Wats the justification for having female and male parents ? It's a stupid institution, and there's too much child abuse and molestation and divorce to say that's a great set-up. It's not. It's horrible, and traumatizing. So what's the justification for that ? B/c their genitalia is different ? How does that help, or hurt, how a person can raise a child ?
Zach Walls, Engineering Student : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =1VnEexIhBTUXX
All you do is question the norm, without providing any argument disproving the norm.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#143 Jan 12, 2013
Yall wanna hate, so u get the hate back. If marriage was a sacred institution, then it should be available to any consenting adult partnership out there. If it's not, then keep on hating the gays. I've met plenty of women who hate the institution of marriage, and children for that matter, and in fact, I feel foolish bein' a man who wants a wife and children around those women. They make marriage and having children sound stupid. 50% of men/women marriage end in divorce, the love dies whenever marriage begins, so perhaps the institution itself isn't that sacred. The world needs more love, and if the queers want to devote themselves to each other till the end of their life, then what's the problem w/ that ?

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#144 Jan 12, 2013
JrEsq wrote:
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All you do is question the norm, without providing any argument disproving the norm.
Check the link.

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