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#1 Feb 1, 2013
Just curious how people feel about this?
Unconstitutional or legal, helpful or just costly? Will it cause kids to drop out. Will innocent kids feel like they are being treated like criminals? This was on a Topix politic poll
Does anyone feel the govt is going too far? And are the teachers and other workers to be included?

A Kansas City high school has announced it will cut samples of students' hair to perform random drug testing. Rockhurst High School will cut 60 strands of hair per student and test for drugs including marijuana and cocaine. If students test positive, parents will be informed and other interventions considered. The school will not involve the police, and records of the test will be destroyed and no information passed to future employers or colleges. The hope is that testing will help change perceptions about drug-taking. "When you asked our students if everyone else is doing it, they said,'Yes.' But, in fact, they weren't," said the school principal. "It's that perception I think among teenagers today that fuels the peer pressure...there's this idea that 'Everyone is doing it, so I guess I have to do it myself.'" While the testing is perfectly legal, at $50 per drug test it's being called a "colossal waste of money" by the ACLU. In 1995, the Supreme Court ruled that schools could randomly drug test students. But since then various circuit and district courts have struck down mandatory, suspicionless drug testing in schools on the grounds that it violates 4th amendment rights concerning warrantless searches and seizures

“No whining!”

Since: Feb 13

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#2 Feb 1, 2013
Honey Bee 1st wrote:
Just curious how people feel about this?
Unconstitutional or legal, helpful or just costly? Will it cause kids to drop out. Will innocent kids feel like they are being treated like criminals? This was on a Topix politic poll
Does anyone feel the govt is going too far? And are the teachers and other workers to be included?
I think it's unconstitutional and a collosal waste of taxpayers' money. I would never sign to allow some random stranger to cut my kids' hair for no good reason. Honestly, I can't think of a single reason why the school would have the right to do this. If there are criminal issues with the kid, then let the court work it out and determine if a drug test needs to be done. Just to randomly test kids is an infringement on their rights.

I would understand if school employees were to be tested, but the students? No.

The government always goes to far, not just in this situation.

“No whining!”

Since: Feb 13

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#3 Feb 1, 2013
Then again, I'm far more concerned about the extremists' threats for more terrorism on our soil.

The government doesn't go too far when dealing with extremists, but in every other arena....

Profiling is not a bad thing when almost every terrorists aiming to hurt us looks the same.

Since: Jan 13

Ft Mitchell, KY

#4 Feb 1, 2013
Honey Bee 1st wrote:
Just curious how people feel about this?
Unconstitutional or legal, helpful or just costly? Will it cause kids to drop out. Will innocent kids feel like they are being treated like criminals? This was on a Topix politic poll
Does anyone feel the govt is going too far? And are the teachers and other workers to be included?
A Kansas City high school has announced it will cut samples of students' hair to perform random drug testing. Rockhurst High School will cut 60 strands of hair per student and test for drugs including marijuana and cocaine. If students test positive, parents will be informed and other interventions considered. The school will not involve the police, and records of the test will be destroyed and no information passed to future employers or colleges. The hope is that testing will help change perceptions about drug-taking. "When you asked our students if everyone else is doing it, they said,'Yes.' But, in fact, they weren't," said the school principal. "It's that perception I think among teenagers today that fuels the peer pressure...there's this idea that 'Everyone is doing it, so I guess I have to do it myself.'" While the testing is perfectly legal, at $50 per drug test it's being called a "colossal waste of money" by the ACLU. In 1995, the Supreme Court ruled that schools could randomly drug test students. But since then various circuit and district courts have struck down mandatory, suspicionless drug testing in schools on the grounds that it violates 4th amendment rights concerning warrantless searches and seizures
Really glad to see you posting kiddo.Place seems empty without you.As for what you're speaking of,I think that one of the largest infringements on anyone's civil liberties,rights,or expectation of privacy,,,is to force a man,woman,or child to pee in a cup and present it to someone else.
Scarecrow

Louisville, KY

#5 Feb 1, 2013
They may be trying to accumulate a DNA database of all the students. I don't trust anything government says.

Since: Dec 12

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#6 Feb 1, 2013
1spartan wrote:
<quoted text>Really glad to see you posting kiddo.Place seems empty without you.As for what you're speaking of,I think that one of the largest infringements on anyone's civil liberties,rights,or expectation of privacy,,,is to force a man,woman,or child to pee in a cup and present it to someone else.
I can't believe this could happen for one. Two, the money spent on this could be used for more important resources. I will be my Childs parent and disciplinarian!!!!
I kept a home drug testing kit in the cabinet,,, JUST IN CASE, to keep him on his toes for one, to know how serious I was about the issue, also to help him with the peer pressure, in case he was in that position he could say...” No dude, my mom is like a detective and would know and keeps a drug test kit and randomly can make me take one”
That was all I needed along with my constant preaching about how drugs can wreck your life, to deter him from falling prey to peer pressure. He has thanked me for it because he has seen many friends go down the wrong road because they were too embarrassed to just say no! Now I know other parents obviously do not care to keep their kids clean, do they honestly think this is the answer? THOSE will be the ones that just quit school and become a burden on society, in my opinion.
There are so many things wrong with this it would take me an hour long writing to get it all out. Gotta go take care of some business right now so I'll be back later to comment on others' opinions.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for things that will actually work, in deterring kids or anyone from becoming a statistic, but not at all for too much wasteful and intrusive government. They can't even balance a budget... I'll be back
Yes Spartan. But keeping it real dude, just like I said ;)

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#7 Feb 1, 2013
Scarecrow wrote:
They may be trying to accumulate a DNA database of all the students. I don't trust anything government says.
That's was my very first thought Scarecrow!!!!!

“No whining!”

Since: Feb 13

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#8 Feb 1, 2013
Scarecrow wrote:
They may be trying to accumulate a DNA database of all the students. I don't trust anything government says.
Exactly! The government is not to be trusted. If anyone from the government tells you that they are "here to help", grab the lube 'cause you're gonna need it.

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