Will Vallejo ever get better or is it...

Will Vallejo ever get better or is it a pipe dream?

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Uninspired

Vacaville, CA

#1 Nov 22, 2011
After getting my car broken into last night for the second time in 2 years, having my home burglarized a last year... it's depressing.

I made a foolish decision to move to Vallejo a decade ago, just before the bubble. The town was gentrifying which is code for home values going up and the lower classes being forced out. Artists were moving in and homes that had been neglected for decades were getting TLC from a better class of new owners.

I never met so many unhappy people as I have in Vallejo. It's been an education in the plight of the poor. Malnourished, uneducated, raised with no values and really , really sad. This is definitely the poorest place I've ever lived. I believe the poverty rate hovers around 30%. At first I didn't get it, how could people behave in a way that defied common sense? I guess I lived in a bubble before, in the 11 years I lived in San Francisco I had fantastic neighbors and of course great food, etc. The good outweighed the bad. I guess in Vallejo the bad outweighs the good.

Then the great people who moved in split before the bubble burst. Some foreclosed and suddenly the reality of who lives and rents in all the apartments and low income rentals sank in. There is really no point into investing in a neighborhood when your own neighbors continue to pollute, burglarize and lower the quality of life.

I tried to get involved, but be forewarned, getting anything to change in Vallejo is a strong slow process and most things will take 2-10 years to change on a legislative level. Hat's off to all the people who are so dedicated. It was inspiring for a while to get involved and it did make a difference, but the good people are outnumbered by the bad. And the cheerleaders will tell you about all the horrible things that happened to them, and how much they love it here. I guess they've never been to Marin.

I don't see how all the low life on Sonoma Blvd and in all the apartments are going to go away? Towns get better by passing on the problem. It seems that other towns have been more successful at gentrification and on of the last places in the bay area for cheap rentals is Vallejo. We are where the poor, the parolees and the misfits get shipped off too and slumlords are eager to rent to.

Of course not all poor people are criminals. But there is a link between crime and poverty and psychotic behaviour and ghettos.

People complain that they are tired of hearing all the bad things about Vallejo. But it's hard to live here when you've lived in a nice place. I tried hard to see the positive, but I'm in SF or the Peninsula daily and the contrast is so great that it is often deppressing to drive home.

I'm tired of having to justify telling people I bought a home here and not feeling like living here is a hallmark of personal failure.

Is there really any hope that the pant draggin, semi literate , meth and crack fueled criminal class will really ever diminish to the point that this is a desireable place to live? Will it take decades?

Is it better to cut losses, walk away from the home and move to a safe place?
let me answer that

Vallejo, CA

#2 Nov 22, 2011
yes, cut your losses and move to where the quality of life is sustained in part by attitudes within the community. i only have to work here now, and am so grateful i chose to move out 6 years ago when we saw the schools going in the toilet, among other things.
good account of the "vtown experience".
Wanglow

Vallejo, CA

#3 Nov 22, 2011
One of the easiest, best and least problematic ways to improve our quality of life here in Vallejo would be for Code "Enforcement" TO DO THEIR JOB. No need for additional monetary outlay or increased "staff"; just ENFORCE OUT EXITSTING LAWS AND CODES. Abandoned or illegally parked cars, over-crowded section-8 apartments, loiterers, run-down buildings, trash dumps; ALL these problems contribute to attracting low-life. The laws exist and there is no good reason for not enforcing them except the the head of this department is an imcopetant woman who will not return calls, is rarely at her desk, does not have an active interest or awareness of the bad image these issues display. Bums, butt-draggers, and squatters feel comfortable in a dirty, sloppy enviornment where their presence is "tolerated", and it is tolerated by this failed department. Until this affirmative-action slug is removed from her union-secured position I don't see any change. Clean up Vallejo, clean up this public-supported department, shine the light on these cockroaches and they'll be forced to crawl back under rocks they've come from. Will our new Mayor do anything or remain comotose as in the last four years?
Sad Life

Vallejo, CA

#4 Nov 22, 2011
I have one parent still in our family home, but when the time comes, I will sell and get out of California altogether. It is pointless to keep up a nice house and yard when dozens of others on the block are exactly as described by the first poster. Broken down cars, overgrown yards, partying all night, kids scowling at me as they shuffle past. It's a living nightmare that I have come to terms with. I denied myself a better life by actually believing things would get better soon, but they keep getting worse. The last straw was the recent out of town parolee that came into ours and deprived us of a damn fine officer. And we provide for parolees as a service? And the Executive Director Pearsall said grant money for parolee tending was a "giant step forward"?! This place is crazy!
the oz

Los Altos, CA

#5 Nov 22, 2011
this city is run now and has been run be the unions and the democrat party as a dumping ground for the trash of solano county, this is a plan and they are sticking to the plan. holders people hurded up so they can vote as a block for miller and the rest of the democrat party members while stealing all the tax money coming here to alieve the suffering of the dirtballs, you keep voting for them don't you .
Uninspired

Vacaville, CA

#6 Nov 22, 2011
I'm not sure any political party has the ability to make a group of ignorant people suddenly want to become educated , employable , positive citizens.

The reality is that there are groups of people whose values make them undesirable as neighbors. Communities clean themselves up, not by transforming these groups but by ridding themselves of them. Wherever they cluster is a bad neighborhood or a ghetto. It doesn't live up to our ideals, but it is the reality.

My question is simple. Is a change in the demographics of Vallejo really possible?

Is there a will of the people or our local government to have the backbone to implement a plan to make this possible.

Because if this is not part of the plan, nothing will change.
No reason to plant flowers if someone urinates on them .
anon

Benicia, CA

#7 Nov 22, 2011
the oz wrote:
this city is run now and has been run be the unions and the democrat party as a dumping ground for the trash of solano county, this is a plan and they are sticking to the plan. holders people hurded up so they can vote as a block for miller and the rest of the democrat party members while stealing all the tax money coming here to alieve the suffering of the dirtballs, you keep voting for them don't you .
The unions just got their ass handed to them by the council and departed Tanner. The VIB majority got elected. The unions do not and have not run anything since Pearsall and Tanner used to meet at Characters years ago. Get a clue dummy
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#8 Nov 22, 2011
What you need to do is put pressure on these four entities: Vallejo Housing Authorty, Housing and Redevelopment Commission, Code Enforcement Division, and Fighting Back Partnership. These four are directly responsible for the way Vallejo is as far as the demographics and blight of the city is concerned. Start by attending the VHA and HRC meetings and pressure them. Code Enforcement Division needs citizen volunteers badly. And the Fighting Back Partnership Board must decide to get out of the parolee business. only a coordinated effort by citizens against these four entities will the momentum change in the long-run.
I Got Yours Here

Vallejo, CA

#9 Nov 22, 2011
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
The unions just got their ass handed to them by the council and departed Tanner. The VIB majority got elected. The unions do not and have not run anything since Pearsall and Tanner used to meet at Characters years ago. Get a clue dummy
Yeah, we know, that's why he is considered a dirty rat instrumental in the war on IAFF and now VPOA.
I Got Yours Here

Vallejo, CA

#10 Nov 22, 2011
Anonymous wrote:
What you need to do is put pressure on these four entities: Vallejo Housing Authorty, Housing and Redevelopment Commission, Code Enforcement Division, and Fighting Back Partnership. These four are directly responsible for the way Vallejo is as far as the demographics and blight of the city is concerned. Start by attending the VHA and HRC meetings and pressure them. Code Enforcement Division needs citizen volunteers badly. And the Fighting Back Partnership Board must decide to get out of the parolee business. only a coordinated effort by citizens against these four entities will the momentum change in the long-run.
These are all considered VIB friendly organizations. We are stuck with them as they continue to blame the unions.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#11 Nov 22, 2011
As a newbie, I can certainly sympathize with "uninspired" and my main point on this forum has been that the "climate" of a community is the surest attraction (or detractor) for residential growth and I,too, have been perplexed by the lack of ordinance enforcement....the boom box noise being my pet peeve....boom boxes are the most expressive outward statement of "fuck you...anything goes so everything goes, including my violent hiphop noise that I can crank up to shake your house and destroy your peace anytime I choose to".

Went to a couple of Council meetings and witnessed the wisdom of Davis- " wish we had the funding for enforcement".

To which I also say, BULLSHIT.

Vallejo has a comprehensive listing of ordinances that have been previously created by former Councils to create Peace, Order and safety. All that is required is the political will to enforce.
Not there yet.

In the meantime, take your frustrations out on a rusty firehydrant or weedy curb. Paint a rusty stop sign post. Look for ways to improve the local environment. Don't worry about being charged for an infraction of bylaws. You won't be charged. I did, and it helped me feel better. lol
Wanglow

United States

#12 Nov 22, 2011
Speaking of "loud noises", what happened to the motorcycle gang club that was supposed to be opening up out on Broadway? Did the council again turn their back on Vallejo to benefit this future problem?
Uninspired

Vacaville, CA

#13 Nov 22, 2011
Posting a lot because I've been on the phone with my insurance company all morning and on hold.

Code enforcement only works if you have a phone tree. We have one bad renter whose associates partake in unsavory behaviour. When it happens I call a few neighbors and we all call code enforcement or the police. When I called myself, nothing happened. When I had 4 people call it takes an average of 7 -10 days to get a response.

I do sweep my street, did plant a garden in my neighborhood even after the city bulldozed the first one. It does make you feel better.
It does get frustrating cleaning up after the low life and their sad, angry , rude children who litter , burglarize and cause problems.

Many of the people I've talked to would leave in a heartbeat if they could, but we are all trapped because of home prices. Vallejo benefits from this, because we do contribute to the community.

What Osby and the council don't realize is that the people who are trapped here and are contributing to the community and it's tax base will leave unless he shows leadership . The city needs to stop coddling the ghetto people and the slum lords and needs to have a real long term plan for reducing the class of people that causes the most problems.

We don't need more low income housing, we need less. We do need code enforcement.

But more importantly, we need more community involvement. I've been to lots of neighborhood meetings and neighborhood watch. I've never seen a single black person. It would be nice for the people involved to reflect the diversity of the city. It's mostly whites with a few latinos and asians. It shows who expects what from themselves and the community.

In SF, my neighbor association reflected our community as it was.
anon

Benicia, CA

#14 Nov 22, 2011
Salty Dog wrote:
As a newbie,........
Went to a couple of Council meetings and witnessed the wisdom of Davis- " wish we had the funding for enforcement".
To which I also say, BULLSHIT.
Vallejo has a comprehensive listing of ordinances that have been previously created by former Councils to create Peace, Order and safety. All that is required is the political will to enforce.
Not there yet.
In the meantime, take your frustrations out on a rusty firehydrant or weedy curb. Paint a rusty stop sign post. Look for ways to improve the local environment. Don't worry about being charged for an infraction of bylaws. You won't be charged. I did, and it helped me feel better. lol
Wow newbie! That is all it takes is "political will" to send a certified letter from code enforcement to get those things cleaned up? I thought you needed the manpower to back up the letter .... guess not?

So simple. Thank you.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#15 Nov 22, 2011
anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow newbie! That is all it takes is "political will" to send a certified letter from code enforcement to get those things cleaned up? I thought you needed the manpower to back up the letter .... guess not?
So simple. Thank you.
I sense a bit of sarcasm. lol.

No, asshat, political will to make it a top priority to find the funds to provide the manpower for enforcement. It is there. Believe me...it is there.

But Davis....spare me the faux frustration with funding. Get your ass out of gear at focus, damn it. FOCUS!
just saying

San Rafael, CA

#16 Nov 22, 2011
Sad Life wrote:
I have one parent still in our family home, but when the time comes, I will sell and get out of California altogether. It is pointless to keep up a nice house and yard when dozens of others on the block are exactly as described by the first poster. Broken down cars, overgrown yards, partying all night, kids scowling at me as they shuffle past. It's a living nightmare that I have come to terms with. I denied myself a better life by actually believing things would get better soon, but they keep getting worse. The last straw was the recent out of town parolee that came into ours and deprived us of a damn fine officer. And we provide for parolees as a service? And the Executive Director Pearsall said grant money for parolee tending was a "giant step forward"?! This place is crazy!
exactly, what I was thinking. Yes, the same ilk are walking up and down Sonoma BLVD harassing prostitutes, a misdemeanor, but it’s okay to be an ex-felon b/c Vallejo will MENTOR you. It’s this kind of asinine thinking is why Vallejo is in this state not the police pay. Talk about Pimp’in out Vallejo.
god bless Vallejo

San Lorenzo, CA

#17 Nov 22, 2011
Uninspired wrote:
I'm not sure any political party has the ability to make a group of ignorant people suddenly want to become educated , employable , positive citizens.
The reality is that there are groups of people whose values make them undesirable as neighbors. Communities clean themselves up, not by transforming these groups but by ridding themselves of them. Wherever they cluster is a bad neighborhood or a ghetto. It doesn't live up to our ideals, but it is the reality.
My question is simple. Is a change in the demographics of Vallejo really possible?
Is there a will of the people or our local government to have the backbone to implement a plan to make this possible.
Because if this is not part of the plan, nothing will change.
No reason to plant flowers if someone urinates on them .
Plant your flowers....

and then protect them.

Show others its possible.
Unimpressed

Benicia, CA

#18 Nov 22, 2011
Osby Davis has no intention or incentive to enforce anything. He represents his big donors and clients who are Sec. 8 housing slumlords. These property owners don't want Vallejo to change demographically because then they wouldn't have markets for their slum apartments and would have to invest capital in their properties to get rents. In any situation like this, just follow the money.
Salty Dog wrote:
As a newbie, I can certainly sympathize with "uninspired" and my main point on this forum has been that the "climate" of a community is the surest attraction (or detractor) for residential growth and I,too, have been perplexed by the lack of ordinance enforcement....the boom box noise being my pet peeve....boom boxes are the most expressive outward statement of "fuck you...anything goes so everything goes, including my violent hiphop noise that I can crank up to shake your house and destroy your peace anytime I choose to".
Went to a couple of Council meetings and witnessed the wisdom of Davis- " wish we had the funding for enforcement".
To which I also say, BULLSHIT.
Vallejo has a comprehensive listing of ordinances that have been previously created by former Councils to create Peace, Order and safety. All that is required is the political will to enforce.
Not there yet.
In the meantime, take your frustrations out on a rusty firehydrant or weedy curb. Paint a rusty stop sign post. Look for ways to improve the local environment. Don't worry about being charged for an infraction of bylaws. You won't be charged. I did, and it helped me feel better. lol
Sam is a looney -t-urd

Pleasant Hill, CA

#19 Nov 22, 2011
Unimpressed wrote:
Osby Davis has no intention or incentive to enforce anything. He represents his big donors and clients who are Sec. 8 housing slumlords. These property owners don't want Vallejo to change demographically because then they wouldn't have markets for their slum apartments and would have to invest capital in their properties to get rents. In any situation like this, just follow the money.
<quoted text>
If Vallejo was "cleaned up" Ozzie our Mayor would be out of his Attorney job as there wouldn't any slum business here. Ozzie does evict tenants for slumlords for a living doesn't he?
take that

United States

#20 Nov 23, 2011
"If Vallejo was "cleaned up," Double-
Dippers such as Pearsall and Sampayan's Fightiing Back Partnership would dry up. A town needing FBP is most likely a suffering town.

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