VALCORE asks Council to cut, not end subsidy

VALCORE Recycling Inc. could close its doors if the Vallejo City Council decides to cut all funding to the nonprofit organization.

[rus]

closing one or two days a week to cut payroll, would probably not effect the income.

They would just be busier say Wed thru Sat.

[gun metal blue]

what the article really says it is a business that can not make a profit and needs the city to keep it running. so let it close. there are other re cyclers in vallejo and they make a profit.

[Sally]

the city of Vallejo is broke, bankrupt. End the money to VALCORE

When the city is up and running again, then this can be re-considered. Until then, everyone is affected by bankruptcy.

[A Vallejo Mom]

I'm not sure the cut and burn mentality of the city is going to be positive for Vallejo in the long run. Valcore is a positive part of Vallejo. I say cut the subsidy in 3rds. Valcore then has a chance to look at ways to make up that money and we will not be with out. They are way more than a place to recycle things.

[Nadrellim]

This country has to stop trying to save businesses that are not profitable.

[Save VALCORE]

Nadrellim wrote:

This country has to stop trying to save businesses that are not profitable.

Did you read the article? VALCORE is a "non-profit" organization.

Non-profits are not "profitable" in the sense that for-profits are: they don't generate income, they generate a better quality of life for the communities in which they work.

Losing VALCORE would be simply awful. The coastal clean-up alone is such a wonderful FREE service to the community. FREE in the sense that the coast is never going to pay VALCORE to have its trash removed. So VALCORE needs subsidies instead!

KEEP VALCORE! DON'T CUT VALCORE!

[Bellagonna]

I want to keep the recycling. It is good for the city and environment. It is a good investment.
When we first started recycling, my garbage can couldn't hold all the bags. Now, it is the opposite. My garbage can has a couple bags and the recycling is full to compacity. Let's keep good things going in the city of Vallejo!

[Charlie]

I also think reducing the money by $50,000 makes sense. Also, the garbage fee should be graduated by the amount of garbage that's carted away.

VALCORE provides an essential service to Vallejo.

Gun metal blue, where are the other recyclers?

[Golden Retirement]

Some folks may think of Valcore as a business not making a profit, but I see it as a very nice place to take recyclables without a lot of hassle and without having to drive across town or across county lines. They are a non-profit, and they actually employ a few people. I think of Valcore as a service we pay for through exorbitant garbage fees, but of course the garbage company is making a profit, well above and beyond what they might be making if they didn't have a monopoly granted by Mayor Intintoli and his gang. For the next year or so, they could freeze the garbage company employee and management salaries, and keep Valcore operating to provide really nice services for citizens of Vallejo. Why won't they do that?

[Sally]

Golden Retirement wrote:

Some folks may think of Valcore as a business not making a profit, but I see it as a very nice place to take recyclables without a lot of hassle and without having to drive across town or across county lines. They are a non-profit, and they actually employ a few people. I think of Valcore as a service we pay for through exorbitant garbage fees, but of course the garbage company is making a profit, well above and beyond what they might be making if they didn't have a monopoly granted by Mayor Intintoli and his gang. For the next year or so, they could freeze the garbage company employee and management salaries, and keep Valcore operating to provide really nice services for citizens of Vallejo. Why won't they do that?

Tony, thanks to you, your girlfriend, Vallejo is bankrupt, so NO, Vallejo is not going to support anyone who cannot make money for the city. Tony, you and Steph are like Obama, wasting our money

[Golden Retirement]

Sally wrote:

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Tony, thanks to you, your girlfriend, Vallejo is bankrupt, so NO, Vallejo is not going to support anyone who cannot make money for the city. Tony, you and Steph are like Obama, wasting our money

Interesting to see someone making a wrong guess about who might be posting under the moniker of Golden. I'm guessing that "Sally" is a male PSU employee. One of the gang of people who actually had a direct hand in bankrupting Vallejo, and then fruitlessly spent a lot of money trying to prevent the city from being correctly declared bankrupt by the Federal Judge. Talking about wasting our money, we would be wasting our time reading nonsense posted by "Sally" and her colleagues.

[gun metal blue]

Save VALCORE wrote:

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Did you read the article? VALCORE is a "non-profit" organization.
Non-profits are not "profitable" in the sense that for-profits are: they don't generate income, they generate a better quality of life for the communities in which they work.
Losing VALCORE would be simply awful. The coastal clean-up alone is such a wonderful FREE service to the community. FREE in the sense that the coast is never going to pay VALCORE to have its trash removed. So VALCORE needs subsidies instead!
KEEP VALCORE! DON'T CUT VALCORE!

WRONG! NON PROFIT MEANS THAT THERE IS A ZERO BALANCE AFTER EXPENSES AT THE END OF THE BUSINESS YEAR! if there is money left after all expensses they can give bonuses to make a zero bamance. i am sure 10 workers really lift the quality of life for the communities in which they work. the trash can be taken by the vallejo garbage service and be a tax write off for them. any business profit or non profit MUST generate income to operate with. VALCORE must NOT be able to generate enough and that is why the need to be subsidized. time to stop walefare to valcore.

[gun metal blue]

Charlie wrote:

I also think reducing the money by $50,000 makes sense. Also, the garbage fee should be graduated by the amount of garbage that's carted away.
VALCORE provides an essential service to Vallejo.
Gun metal blue, where are the other recyclers?

too lazy to look in the phone book? there is one on mare island called alco metals and recycling. and if i remember right there is one on broadway at sears point road (highway 37) behind a gas station..

[Sally]

Golden Retirement wrote:

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Interesting to see someone making a wrong guess about who might be posting under the moniker of Golden. I'm guessing that "Sally" is a male PSU employee. One of the gang of people who actually had a direct hand in bankrupting Vallejo, and then fruitlessly spent a lot of money trying to prevent the city from being correctly declared bankrupt by the Federal Judge. Talking about wasting our money, we would be wasting our time reading nonsense posted by "Sally" and her colleagues.

Wrong Tony, not an employee, never been an employee, but I do know some of the employees, including city hall employees. So I do know some insider information. Not good news for city hall. Talk about a screwed up place. You can blame public safety all you want to, but the real issues are at city council, city manager, and city hall level.

The best failures have always blamed the wrong people. City Council and you favor Bankruptcy which equals FAILURE. Nice going Tony. Tell you friends at city hall 4 more years of ghetto and crime awaits.

[Doug]

Valcore is WAY more than a recycler, if you dont know about them, than check out their website, http://www.valcorerecycling.org/
They serve this community in MANY ways!!!
They offer others a "sense of belonging"

No other local recycler can be compared with the multitude of services Valcore provides! Valcore is one of those that should receive support!!!

[Doug]

gun metal blue wrote:

<quoted text> too lazy to look in the phone book? there is one on mare island called alco metals and recycling. and if i remember right there is one on broadway at sears point road (highway 37) behind a gas station..

Do not go to these locations, they are "for profit" and they do nothing for our community. They serve only themselves, Valcore serves Vallejo!!

[Doug]

gun metal blue wrote:

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WRONG! NON PROFIT MEANS THAT THERE IS A ZERO BALANCE AFTER EXPENSES AT THE END OF THE BUSINESS YEAR! if there is money left after all expensses they can give bonuses to make a zero bamance. i am sure 10 workers really lift the quality of life for the communities in which they work. the trash can be taken by the vallejo garbage service and be a tax write off for them. any business profit or non profit MUST generate income to operate with. VALCORE must NOT be able to generate enough and that is why the need to be subsidized. time to stop walefare to valcore.

Whereas for-profit corporations exist to earn and distribute taxable business earnings to shareholders, the nonprofit corporation exists solely to provide programs and services that are of public benefit. Often these programs and services are not otherwise provided by local, state, or federal entities. While they are able to earn a profit, more accurately called a surplus, such earnings must be retained by the organization for its future provision of programs and services.

[SAVE VALCORE]

gun metal blue wrote:

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WRONG! NON PROFIT MEANS THAT THERE IS A ZERO BALANCE AFTER EXPENSES AT THE END OF THE BUSINESS YEAR! if there is money left after all expensses they can give bonuses to make a zero bamance. i am sure 10 workers really lift the quality of life for the communities in which they work. the trash can be taken by the vallejo garbage service and be a tax write off for them. any business profit or non profit MUST generate income to operate with. VALCORE must NOT be able to generate enough and that is why the need to be subsidized. time to stop walefare to valcore.

No you are wrong. A zero balance at the end of the year has nothing to do with my post and non-profits DO NOT HAVE TO GENERATE income (although sometimes they do but they have to be careful how they treat it or they could lose their non-profit status).

A non-profit depends on the generosity of donors and contracts. Many government agencies hire non-profits to do work the government isn't equipped to do.

There are millions of Federal, State and Local contracts awarded to non-profits ALL THE TIME. The city has a contract with VALCORE to assist in paying for the services VALCORE provides to the community.

I think a great solution is to cut the 1/3 as VALCORE suggests and the pain will be borne by both, but VALCORE will be able to continue to operate. If Vallejo cuts the full contract, VALCORE will have a less than zero balance at the end of the year and will have to shut its doors.

What should take a cut is the garbage service contract!