Vallejo Murder rate up 70% since same time last year.

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#2 May 9, 2011
I couldn't care less what a manipulative lying anti Cop anti labor group like VIB says about me. I have no need to lie.

Violent crime is up 70% since the same time in 2010.

More Murders, More Rapes, More Robberies. Do you honestly feel safer than you did a year ago?
Dumber than he looks

Vallejo, CA

#3 May 9, 2011
Samuel Kurshan wrote:
I couldn't care less what a manipulative lying anti Cop anti labor group like VIB says about me. I have no need to lie.
Violent crime is up 70% since the same time in 2010.
More Murders, More Rapes, More Robberies. Do you honestly feel safer than you did a year ago?
Sam you are a a hole. Total Violent crime declined from 1008 to 933.
Your so screwed up you can't admit Dr Schussel was correct.
What about aggravated assault is down by 110 while the total number of rapes/murders is up 20.How does that fit in your twisted little mind.
Sam Busted

Vallejo, CA

#4 May 9, 2011
Pathological liar:

Pseudologia fantastica, mythomania, or pathological lying is one of several terms applied by psychiatrists to the behavior of habitual or compulsive lying. Although it is a controversial topic, one definition of pathological lying is the following: "Pathological lying is falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a 100 years.

Except with Sam Kurshan, is happened over night, from the day he was born.
Sam Kurshan the Liar

Vallejo, CA

#5 May 9, 2011
Samuel Kurshan wrote:
I couldn't care less what a manipulative lying anti Cop anti labor group like VIB says about me. I have no need to lie.

Violent crime is up 70% since the same time in 2010.
More Murders, More Rapes, More Robberies. Do you honestly feel safer than you did a year ago?
Last year's murder rate was 17. 2009 was 10. So 70 percent has to be put into the proper perspective when making claims like Sam does. Schussel's report didn't say there was no crime, it says that crime is down. Not the same message that VPOA would have you believe. By reading their publication, one would think that crime is spiraling out of control.

FROM: Robert W. Nichelini, Chief of Police
SUBJECT: Part I Crime Rate
We are pleased to report that total serious (Part I) crime in Vallejo dropped 7% in 2010 when compared to the prior year. This is the lowest reported crime rate since 1983. Unfortunately, however, we did experience a 70% increase in the
number of murders and a modest increase in the then number of reported rapes and robberies. All property crime categories reflect a decrease.
mama mia

Vallejo, CA

#6 May 9, 2011
it can also be said that crime reporting is down as well, so the unknown value of crimes not recorded could offset the improvement indicated. no?
Not So Quick

Vallejo, CA

#7 May 9, 2011
Samuel Kurshan wrote:
I couldn't care less what a manipulative lying anti Cop anti labor group like VIB says about me. I have no need to lie.
Violent crime is up 70% since the same time in 2010.
More Murders, More Rapes, More Robberies. Do you honestly feel safer than you did a year ago?
You said the report was all a lie. You had no idea what the 2010 numbers were to claim that crime was on the rise. Not until you had your fat face busted for the lies you tell. I can't wait to see you call Nichelini a lie tomorroow night.

You owe Schussel and VIB and apology for the blantant lies you have told over the 50 threads you created here. Now we know you are the Hercules ISP pathological liar.
Anon

Vallejo, CA

#8 May 9, 2011
mama mia wrote:
it can also be said that crime reporting is down as well, so the unknown value of crimes not recorded could offset the improvement indicated. no?
How hard do you have to be hit in the head before you admit you got caught in a lie. Now the facts are out your like a piece of slime trying to ooze its ways out.

The fact is that crime is at its lowest level since 1983 and both violent and property crime declined the past few years.Contrast the facts with the lies VPOA has been spouting.

Finally tell us WHY for the past several years has VPOA tried to keep the FBI stats quiet.ANSWER --they wanted to keep their high wages even if it means lying.
mama mia

Vallejo, CA

#9 May 9, 2011
Not So Quick wrote:
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You said the report was all a lie. You had no idea what the 2010 numbers were to claim that crime was on the rise. Not until you had your fat face busted for the lies you tell. I can't wait to see you call Nichelini a lie tomorroow night.
You owe Schussel and VIB and apology for the blantant lies you have told over the 50 threads you created here. Now we know you are the Hercules ISP pathological liar.
it does seem to be on the rise, it just depends on what point you use for a start of data collecting. right now, it appears to be going up significantly since end of 2010, but neither of us can prove anything either way, i only know what i see and read about every day. i will say CRIME IS UP!, now who will prove me wrong?
Not So Quick

Vallejo, CA

#10 May 9, 2011
mama mia wrote:
<quoted text>it does seem to be on the rise, it just depends on what point you use for a start of data collecting. right now, it appears to be going up significantly since end of 2010, but neither of us can prove anything either way, i only know what i see and read about every day. i will say CRIME IS UP!, now who will prove me wrong?
If you want to talk about 2010-2011, that's another story now isn't it? But if you will recall, that was not what Schussel's report was about. He covered the data through 2009 and made no assumptions about 2010 or 2011. Now you hve 2010 straight from the police chief's mouth, and in 2010, the numbers still indiated that crime was down, the lowest it's been in 27 years. 27 YEARS.
mama mia

Vallejo, CA

#11 May 9, 2011
Not So Quick wrote:
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If you want to talk about 2010-2011, that's another story now isn't it? But if you will recall, that was not what Schussel's report was about. He covered the data through 2009 and made no assumptions about 2010 or 2011. Now you hve 2010 straight from the police chief's mouth, and in 2010, the numbers still indiated that crime was down, the lowest it's been in 27 years. 27 YEARS.
yeah, but isn't that conclusion what schussel would call a red herring since we have no idea what crime is doing now, not up until a point last year that sustains his "down" assertion? it seems to be getting worse to me, maybe not to you, that's ok, we all have different opinions of the same thing.
Anon

Vallejo, CA

#12 May 9, 2011
mama mia wrote:
<quoted text>yeah, but isn't that conclusion what schussel would call a red herring since we have no idea what crime is doing now, not up until a point last year that sustains his "down" assertion? it seems to be getting worse to me, maybe not to you, that's ok, we all have different opinions of the same thing.
You will never be willing to admit that VPOA lied. The data is only 3 months old. The best that be done.
Not So Quick

Vallejo, CA

#13 May 9, 2011
mama mia wrote:
<quoted text>yeah, but isn't that conclusion what schussel would call a red herring since we have no idea what crime is doing now, not up until a point last year that sustains his "down" assertion? it seems to be getting worse to me, maybe not to you, that's ok, we all have different opinions of the same thing.
Again, the report was not making a statement about 2011. The VPOA publication would have people to believe that crime is spiralling out of control because of the loss of personnel. Schussel researched the data to see if we were worse now, with less police, then we were when we had the highest number of police on the force. It did not give any opinion on 2010 0r 2011. That was your take on the report.
Another Reader

Richmond, CA

#14 May 9, 2011
Tell people that Vallejo had a 70% rise in murder and a 28% rise in rape, and see how many people feel better, even if they know that lesser crimes are down.
Oh shit, now they'll be flocking to Vallejo. Not.
Spin the numbers

Vallejo, CA

#15 May 9, 2011
Another Reader wrote:
Tell people that Vallejo had a 70% rise in murder and a 28% rise in rape, and see how many people feel better, even if they know that lesser crimes are down.
Oh shit, now they'll be flocking to Vallejo. Not.
If you told people that violent crime went up by 7 people ( murders) or 13 people ( rapes) what would people say. Thats the number of additional murders and murders.

You are in your spin mode again.
Not So Quick

Vallejo, CA

#16 May 9, 2011
Another Reader wrote:
Tell people that Vallejo had a 70% rise in murder and a 28% rise in rape, and see how many people feel better, even if they know that lesser crimes are down.
Oh shit, now they'll be flocking to Vallejo. Not.
On the other hand, if VPOA would have stated that even though there has been a loss of employees, they have managed to keep the overall crime rate down and last year it was at it's lowest in 27 years, wow, that may of made the tax payers say, hmmmmm maybe they don't need a tax increase.
jim dandy

Vallejo, CA

#17 May 9, 2011
the tax increase will fail as most have, but you will still have to pay the police as contracted, so get over it. and you won't get any more until more revenue shows up. oh wait, we don't need any more because the present staffing is holding the line on crime, in fact causing it to go down. i agree the police department should be publicly honored for the job they do in tough times.
Another Reader

Richmond, CA

#18 May 9, 2011
Spin the numbers wrote:
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If you told people that violent crime went up by 7 people ( murders) or 13 people ( rapes) what would people say. Thats the number of additional murders and murders.
You are in your spin mode again.
Pull the nail out of your shoe and stop spinning in circles. Take your meds and re-read what you tried to type.
There ain't no spin to 7 more murders and 13 more rapes, and just to make sure you really have an attack try 15 more robberies.
Another Reader

Richmond, CA

#19 May 9, 2011
Not So Quick wrote:
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If you want to talk about 2010-2011, that's another story now isn't it? But if you will recall, that was not what Schussel's report was about. He covered the data through 2009 and made no assumptions about 2010 or 2011. Now you hve 2010 straight from the police chief's mouth, and in 2010, the numbers still indiated that crime was down, the lowest it's been in 27 years. 27 YEARS.
So if there wasn't a single personal property crime, it would make the murders and rapes and robberies, what? Null and void? Let's just balance out death, rape and robbery with less larceny and theft? Only in Vallejo........
Apples and Oranges

Vallejo, CA

#21 May 9, 2011
Another Reader wrote:
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Pull the nail out of your shoe and stop spinning in circles. Take your meds and re-read what you tried to type.
There ain't no spin to 7 more murders and 13 more rapes, and just to make sure you really have an attack try 15 more robberies.
We are talking about Schussel's report aren't we? I don't recall reading anything that suggested that the number of murders or rapes went down. I did read that the overall reported crimes were down. Period. As a matter of fact, there was no mention of 2010 stats at all. But Schussel was blasted for not including 2010 data which some concluded would change the final outcome. Well now that you have the 2010 stats and the total numbers still support Schussel's report and the conclusion from Nichelini agrees with Schussel, you divert the discussion comparing the number of murders in 2009 to 2010. What does that have to do with Schussel's report? What does that have to do with the final outcome of Schussel's analysis? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. You need to stop with the smoke and mirrors tactics and stick to the issue.

Just admit that the report was correct and move on. The next time you may want to read the actual article and not just the headlines.
Another Reader

Richmond, CA

#22 May 9, 2011
Apples and Oranges wrote:
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We are talking about Schussel's report aren't we? I don't recall reading anything that suggested that the number of murders or rapes went down. I did read that the overall reported crimes were down. Period. As a matter of fact, there was no mention of 2010 stats at all. But Schussel was blasted for not including 2010 data which some concluded would change the final outcome. Well now that you have the 2010 stats and the total numbers still support Schussel's report and the conclusion from Nichelini agrees with Schussel, you divert the discussion comparing the number of murders in 2009 to 2010. What does that have to do with Schussel's report? What does that have to do with the final outcome of Schussel's analysis? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. You need to stop with the smoke and mirrors tactics and stick to the issue.
Just admit that the report was correct and move on. The next time you may want to read the actual article and not just the headlines.
So read the FBI collected data City Crime Ranking and tell me why Vallejo has gone from #67 in 2008 to #33 in 2010, if crime is losing it's grip in Vallejo? And by the way, being #1 out of 400 in this ranking is not where you want to be.

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