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Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#1 Dec 5, 2012
Vallejo public safety committee wrapping up recommendations
http://www.timesheraldonline.com/news/ci_2212...

After months of work, the resident-run Vallejo Ad-hoc Citizens Public Safety Advisory Committee is coming to a close.

The nine-member fact-finding group is scheduled to meet at 6:30 p.m. today at Vallejo City Hall, 555 Santa Clara St., to review a myriad of recommendations it plans to submit to a Vallejo City Council public safety subcommittee.

On the meeting agenda is a request to consider holding an additional meeting on Dec. 12.

The advisory panel, designed to dissolve once it make its recommendations, was tasked with reviewing three major areas:

* Other police and fire departments' best practices in regards to efficient operations, revenue generation, reduced calls for service, crime suppression, increased police presence and enhanced crime-fighting technology;
* Other cities' best practices for citizen police commissions;
* And, present and future public safety compensation methodology trends.

The committee's draft final report is available at www.ci.vallejo.ca.us under city agendas, or in the scrolling information box.
hate them all

Vallejo, CA

#2 Dec 5, 2012
vallejo is raging with home-grown and imported criminals now, and growing. no amount of procedural changes or policy implementations is going to have any effect on this population. our police will still be running from call to call, and even less of them will be available to do it after the next wave leaves. these criminals do not care about cops or cameras. get used to that idea while you are patting yourselves on the backs schively and schussel.
hate them all

Vallejo, CA

#3 Dec 5, 2012
hate them all wrote:
vallejo is raging with home-grown and imported criminals now, and growing. no amount of procedural changes or policy implementations is going to have any effect on this population. our police will still be running from call to call, and even less of them will be available to do it after the next wave leaves. these criminals do not care about cops or cameras. get used to that idea while you are patting yourselves on the backs schively and schussel.
Get a life Sam. your bitterness runeth over.
GEE

Lafayette, CA

#4 Dec 5, 2012
I have not participated in every meeting but a few do stand out in my mind.

Chief Allan Cantando - Antioch P.D.
Advice from a city that is as overrun with criminals as we are and yet the department was
held up as an example of efficiency in comparison to Vallejo.
Well, things are never as they seem and it looks like we should steer clear of recommendation coming from that corner as we most certainly could not afford to follow suit including their newest proposed practices!

Reporting of happenings at the Police and Fire Department.
It was refreshing to hear a detailed account of the inner and outer happenings at the PD and FD.
I recall the complaint that the departments were secretive and non-transparent in its dealings with the public ...and yet Ms. Heppe was of the opinion that the time to listen to it all could be cut, cut, cut. Lt. DeJesus went to extraordinary detail that time around…..

If it was too time consuming to receive a detailed account of how the police department does what it is tasked to do, why ask for a report.
Heck, limit it to 10 minutes max, if it can't be had in that time frame, scuttle it!

What has become clear is the abundance of criminals committing crimes in our town. Due to the call volume dispatch receives, the officers have become a reactionary force that has to resort to triaging the calls they receive, no longer who calls for assistance, but how severe is the event.
We did not need a committee for that little ditty, now did we?

I appreciate the time spent by those on the committee. I believe very little will change because of it, but at least a good effort was made to show those not knowing anything about our public service departments, what challenges they face and what they deal with on a daily basis.

(Please, I do not want to hear about compensation issues. Yes, they do exist but they were negotiated and I would suggest that could lead us to another formation of a fact finding committee that would explore who exactly put the pen to paper and agreed with that aspect of it. Maybe some ass kicking could be dispensed geared towards that branch of city government, but surely I jest!)

Will we ever see the day when we simply give a wave of the hand or a few kind words to our first responders and it will be because we want to and do not need anything from them at all?
sam plays VPDs skin flute

Concord, CA

#5 Dec 5, 2012
When the committee started I do not think anyone envisioned that the problems in VPD were so terribly acute. I appreciate everyone's efforts, the last meeting with the public liaison person from Sacramento really showed what a city can do to support citizens and provide transparency and accountability from public safety services.

Mr. Kelly and Mr. Worel's smirks and questions were soberly addressed by the guest speaker. When smugly asked how do you get around the unions when you ask questions? Her reply "common sense" such questions by the pro union members of the committee continue to demonstrate that unions will in no way cooperate with any kind of outside scrutiny.

I think after Mr. Burris is done with VPD we will be under the oversight of the Federal Government, and our biggest roadblocks to transparency will be retiring with in the next year knowing this.
sammie

Vallejo, CA

#6 Dec 5, 2012
sam plays VPDs skin flute wrote:
When the committee started I do not think anyone envisioned that the problems in VPD were so terribly acute. I appreciate everyone's efforts, the last meeting with the public liaison person from Sacramento really showed what a city can do to support citizens and provide transparency and accountability from public safety services.
Mr. Kelly and Mr. Worel's smirks and questions were soberly addressed by the guest speaker. When smugly asked how do you get around the unions when you ask questions? Her reply "common sense" such questions by the pro union members of the committee continue to demonstrate that unions will in no way cooperate with any kind of outside scrutiny.
I think after Mr. Burris is done with VPD we will be under the oversight of the Federal Government, and our biggest roadblocks to transparency will be retiring with in the next year knowing this.
aren't you the d*ckhead that assured us we would be facing all kinds of lawsuits from the pot raids? and when the "roadblocks" are gone, you will see you have no police force left. what is alarming in the report is the statement about hiring of laterals being problematic. now what does that mean dickie? does it mean no one is applying to work pd here?
dickie enragement!
sam plays VPDs skin flute

Concord, CA

#7 Dec 5, 2012
sammie wrote:
<quoted text>aren't you the d*ckhead that assured us we would be facing all kinds of lawsuits from the pot raids? and when the "roadblocks" are gone, you will see you have no police force left. what is alarming in the report is the statement about hiring of laterals being problematic. now what does that mean dickie? does it mean no one is applying to work pd here?
dickie enragement!
LOL!

Burris reputation speaks for itself...just ask Oakland.

(t)urd enragement!
sammie

Vallejo, CA

#8 Dec 5, 2012
sam plays VPDs skin flute wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!
Burris reputation speaks for itself...just ask Oakland.
(t)urd enragement!
your knuckleheaded reply had nothing to do with my comments about the problems we are facing restaffing police. of course, according to you the service sucks, so why have them at all? just think of all the money we will have for roads, non-profits, and libraries. and we will soon be training parolees to be better citizens too. wow, what a city!
dickie enragement!
sam plays VPDs skin flute

Concord, CA

#9 Dec 5, 2012
sammie wrote:
<quoted text>your knuckleheaded reply had nothing to do with my comments about the problems we are facing restaffing police. of course, according to you the service sucks, so why have them at all? just think of all the money we will have for roads, non-profits, and libraries. and we will soon be training parolees to be better citizens too. wow, what a city!
dickie enragement!
You have brought up no documented problems other than wishful thinking on your part. The last of the enraged (t)urds will retire, more will be hired. Life will go on much to your enragement.
sammie

Vallejo, CA

#10 Dec 5, 2012
sam plays VPDs skin flute wrote:
<quoted text>You have brought up no documented problems other than wishful thinking on your part. The last of the enraged (t)urds will retire, more will be hired. Life will go on much to your enragement.
perhaps you did not read the staff report. have you noticed the "open continuous" announcement for lateral officer has been removed from the h.r. page? the draft report says hiring of laterals is problematic. i take this to mean no one is applying, or maybe not qualifying, whatever the case, their is a problem looming for restaffing police. we will see if they are able to hire the 5 advertised now. you want to live in a town full of parolee and future parolee with no police to speak of? you've got to be nuts!
Im No Expert

Vallejo, CA

#11 Dec 5, 2012
sam plays VPDs skin flute wrote:
<quoted text>You have brought up no documented problems other than wishful thinking on your part. The last of the enraged (t)urds will retire, more will be hired. Life will go on much to your enragement.
The documented problem is right there in the draft report to council. Read the whole thing and get back to us.
Coming for Who

Vallejo, CA

#12 Dec 5, 2012
I seem to recall when the VIBsters were telling all the police to leave; "we'll be all right" one said.
From the draft report to council:
"The department is anticipating an exodus of 10-15 veteran officers over the next seven to eight months. The normal timeline for bringing new officers "on board" varies from agency to agency with a worst case scenario of eight months. The statistic does not take into account the challenges Vallejo will face in recruitment due to well publicized issues and events. Lateral candidate acquisition will be extremely problematic."
Maybe Chair Schivley can ask for more information on the last sentence. Ask why the Open Continuous recruitment came off the HR page.
anon

United States

#13 Dec 5, 2012
Ask what the situation is with the last three applicants that were offered interviews
sam plays VPDs skin flute

Concord, CA

#14 Dec 5, 2012
sammie wrote:
<quoted text>perhaps you did not read the staff report. have you noticed the "open continuous" announcement for lateral officer has been removed from the h.r. page? the draft report says hiring of laterals is problematic. i take this to mean no one is applying, or maybe not qualifying, whatever the case, their is a problem looming for restaffing police. we will see if they are able to hire the 5 advertised now. you want to live in a town full of parolee and future parolee with no police to speak of? you've got to be nuts!
"you take this to mean"? Again wishful thinking on your part. Are you certain this isn't part of the so called "discrimination" issues that the VPOA is pot stirriing so that entry level officers cannot be hired.

(t)urd enragement!
alun le dunce

Vallejo, CA

#15 Dec 5, 2012
sam plays VPDs skin flute wrote:
<quoted text>"you take this to mean"? Again wishful thinking on your part. Are you certain this isn't part of the so called "discrimination" issues that the VPOA is pot stirriing so that entry level officers cannot be hired.
(t)urd enragement!
then you agree somebody should ask about recruiting tonight? what's the use of telling the police how to do their jobs if there won't be any to tell? obtw, the report indicates we haven't the staffing to implement all these helpful changes. lol. the whole committee was a waste of time!
dickie enragement!
sam plays VPDs skin flute

Concord, CA

#16 Dec 5, 2012
alun le dunce wrote:
<quoted text>then you agree somebody should ask about recruiting tonight? what's the use of telling the police how to do their jobs if there won't be any to tell? obtw, the report indicates we haven't the staffing to implement all these helpful changes. lol. the whole committee was a waste of time!
dickie enragement!
Perhaps you or maybe the obese bald man in the hula shirt can ask?

(t)urd enragement!
happy hula man

Vallejo, CA

#17 Dec 5, 2012
"challenges Vallejo will face in recruitment due to well publicized issues and events. " i wonder if they mean the nasty comments and threats from gomes? and the police committee? and the stolen funds for pb? no revenue plan? hmmmm, oh well, better to wait until the situation is beyond desperate to talk about it. my guess is the city will be forced to pay a premium for laterals to come here WITH a guarantee of x number of years. whew! what a mess schivley's war has evolved into!!
anon

Benicia, CA

#18 Dec 5, 2012
happy hula man wrote:
"challenges Vallejo will face in recruitment due to well publicized issues and events. " i wonder if they mean the nasty comments and threats from gomes? and the police committee? and the stolen funds for pb? no revenue plan? hmmmm, oh well, better to wait until the situation is beyond desperate to talk about it. my guess is the city will be forced to pay a premium for laterals to come here WITH a guarantee of x number of years. whew! what a mess schivley's war has evolved into!!
Precisely why at least one candidate withdrew from the lateral hire COV was interviewing for.
aloha vtown

Vallejo, CA

#19 Dec 5, 2012
vallejo is a hostile work environment. will be interesting to see how many they caught in the 5 officer recruitment. my guess is zero. gomes and schivley own this problem more than anyone else.
hate them all

Vallejo, CA

#20 Dec 5, 2012
we are going to be so desperate lateral officers can insist on a healthy hiring bonus, and only after the next contract is inked. there is too much uncertainty now.

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