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WinCo cleared to continue work on planned Vallejo grocery store

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Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#1 Jan 19, 2012
WinCo cleared to continue work on planned Vallejo grocery store
http://www.timesheraldonline.com/ci_19773233

On a 5-0 vote Tuesday night, the Vallejo City Council freed developers to build a new WinCo Foods grocery outlet on Redwood Parkway and Admiral Callaghan Lane.

It remains unclear, however, when ground will be broken for the project or doors open for business, said city Economic Development Director Ursula Luna-Reynosa. The developer has not yet submitted a building permit application, which would set a development timeline.

"Unfortunately, there's a likelihood that this project will end up in litigation," Luna-Reynosa said, echoing predictions made last year by the Planning Commission chairman and broker representing the property sale.

Tuesday's vote excluded Mayor Osby Davis and Councilman Robert McConnell, who each said they had conflicts barring them from participating in the decision. The remaining members united to deny appeals against the chain store's environmental study.

"I'll tell you what really convinced me," Councilwoman Erin Hannigan said. "Consumer's Checkbook's did a study ... and they reported that WinCo had prices 26 percent lower than those found at surveyed stores."

The new grocery store is set for property now occupied by the Elks Club, and will entail construction of a more than 71,000-square-foot facility.

Before the store can open, company representatives must pay in full the cost of three nearby intersection traffic improvements.

Councilwoman Stephanie Gomes, who changed her direction this week from her earlier vote, said it was frustrating that the council legally must only base its decision on the contents of the Environmental Impact Review document prepared for the store, and not on concerns raised by residents.

Gomes said the Elks Club's financial difficulties, the community's need for low-cost groceries or fears that the city would seem anti-business if they supported the project appeals also were not considerations.

In September, the Planning Commission approved the project's environmental study, a decision challenged by owners of an adjacent shopping plaza anchored by a Safeway grocery store and a group advocating responsible development.

Similarly, citizens groups in other California cities have also mounted challenges to WinCo projects before suing when unsuccessful.

The contentious WinCo debate drew a large crowd and long line of speakers Tuesday.

A resident, who identified himself as a planner, told the council that WinCo's arrival would mean the closure of another grocery store, and would likely not be replaced by another grocer -- meaning a loss of sales and property taxes.

At the meeting's tail end, the council also unanimously approved a proposal to set the city medical marijuana sales tax, approved overwhelmingly by voters in November, at the maximum 10 percent, over protest by medical marijuana users and dispensary directors.
Nosey

Vallejo, CA

#2 Jan 19, 2012
Those who whine should propose viable solutions, not be experts at creating more problems. This town already has enough of that.
Wanglow

Vallejo, CA

#3 Jan 19, 2012
I doubt this store will ever open at this location; it is not all as it appears.
Jim

Orangevale, CA

#4 Mar 31, 2012
I have driven from my home near Columbus Parkway to Lucky's as well as to Winco stores in Vacaville and Pittsburg. I know from personal experience that my family saves about 1/3 on our grocery bill every month. Don't believe me? Try going to Vacaville to the Winco store there when you have a long grocery list. Prove the savings to yourself...don't believe anonymous writers like me.(Davis St. Off ramp.)
Gringo Tonto

Vallejo, CA

#5 Mar 31, 2012
I wholeheartedly agree because my own relative has been a regular Winco patron since they opened up in their neighborhood. Their competitive pricing is probably the result of better management, higher efficiency and innovative marketing.
Wanglow

United States

#6 Mar 31, 2012
As I said before; never happen. Sessler stands to make a huge commission on this if it were to go through, just one of the reasons he (and others) conned the old Elks to vote to sell (many voted against it). Want additional names? Just ask. The pending sale of this very valuable commercial property was brokered out of sight and hidden from the members until after the vote. At the reported price it is far undervalued and a crime if it were to be taken from the club. The Vallejo Elks don't have the membership to continue to keep the place open; better to put a fence and security guard there and wait until more providential times. Nothing to do with Winco but another big grocery store at this location is insanity. If the crooks that tried to engineer this travesty had ANY sense of morality they wouldn't be able to sleep nights but I know the guys involved and I'm sure they have no problems in that department. This property was NEVER offered on the open market and no realistic price was ever established. The Elks will have to pay capitol gains tax on over six millions dollars, the "broker" will reap the commission and if he finds another peoperty for the club he will again clear a tidy profit. NO location has as yet been found and if it is by the time any such development would go through the poor Elks club members will have had their pockets picked and be left with practically nothing. The National headquarters should care about their clubs and someone should bring them into the conversation.
GEE

La Honda, CA

#7 Mar 31, 2012
Wanglow wrote:
As I said before; never happen. Sessler stands to make a huge commission on this if it were to go through, just one of the reasons he (and others) conned the old Elks to vote to sell (many voted against it). Want additional names? Just ask. The pending sale of this very valuable commercial property was brokered out of sight and hidden from the members until after the vote. At the reported price it is far undervalued and a crime if it were to be taken from the club. The Vallejo Elks don't have the membership to continue to keep the place open; better to put a fence and security guard there and wait until more providential times. Nothing to do with Winco but another big grocery store at this location is insanity. If the crooks that tried to engineer this travesty had ANY sense of morality they wouldn't be able to sleep nights but I know the guys involved and I'm sure they have no problems in that department. This property was NEVER offered on the open market and no realistic price was ever established. The Elks will have to pay capitol gains tax on over six millions dollars, the "broker" will reap the commission and if he finds another peoperty for the club he will again clear a tidy profit. NO location has as yet been found and if it is by the time any such development would go through the poor Elks club members will have had their pockets picked and be left with practically nothing. The National headquarters should care about their clubs and someone should bring them into the conversation.
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Well Wanglow, we have discussed this before but got a bit stuck midway through. The way it looks it's just you and me that are interested in this thing!
I have no reason to doubt your accounts and the motivation by some to enrich themselves. Personally, I am disgusted by individuals who pull the wool over other people's eyes, all in the name of profit.

However, if the Elk's organization at their headquarter level does not find anything wrong with what is happening to their membership and their property, why should I?
Is the local chapter/management/board no longer reporting on their business and mission goals to them? Did they not lay out their plan of action and the difficulties with the property including lack of member support amongst a dwindling and aging membership?

How can it go unnoticed by headquarters that the membership is being taken for a ride and basically is being defrauded of their property?? If it indeed was noted that questionable dealings are being hoisted onto an aging membership why has nobody, of clear mind and faculties, intervened? Even on the local level?

This is not just the reputation of the Vallejo Chapter that is in question, but the organization as a whole may become tainted should this whole deal shake out to be based on coercion.
Hooray

Vacaville, CA

#8 Mar 31, 2012
Can't wait till it opens they have a awesome beer selection
Wanglow

United States

#9 Apr 2, 2012
GEE; for security reasons I cannot be involved directly. Everything I have said is true. Perhaps an interested party can copy and paste this information and send it to the national. I don't think anything these people did is illegal, however the ehtics by which most ELKS are bound has been severely breached and those of us who are aware are disgusted by the way the members have been manipulated..
NapaRes

Napa, CA

#10 Apr 2, 2012
Bring it WinCo!!
East Vallejo Native

San Francisco, CA

#11 Apr 2, 2012
The National Elks reps had been involved with the plan to sell, as well as the price. The National was involved as Vallejo Elks 559 was facing insolvency, and that was the next step. I believe that without making a move of selling and reducing overhead, they could have lost the Charter altogether, with all assets reverting to the National.
GEE

La Honda, CA

#12 Apr 2, 2012
Wanglow wrote:
GEE; for security reasons I cannot be involved directly. Everything I have said is true. Perhaps an interested party can copy and paste this information and send it to the national. I don't think anything these people did is illegal, however the ehtics by which most ELKS are bound has been severely breached and those of us who are aware are disgusted by the way the members have been manipulated..
I understand, thanks for your response.
GEE

La Honda, CA

#13 Apr 2, 2012
East Vallejo Native wrote:
The National Elks reps had been involved with the plan to sell, as well as the price. The National was involved as Vallejo Elks 559 was facing insolvency, and that was the next step. I believe that without making a move of selling and reducing overhead, they could have lost the Charter altogether, with all assets reverting to the National.
Obviously, there are two sides to everything and the general public is usually not privy to what is really going on.

I agree with Wanglow that there may not be any legal wrong doings to the deal, however the ethical side is being short changed in a major way. But, who really is concerned with ethics in this cut throat society of NOW? One does not have to be a Corporation with stockholders to satisfy, to be greedy......

Very unfortunate for the National Elk's organization as well as the local chapter.
Wanglow

United States

#14 Apr 2, 2012
Over SIX ACRES of PRIME developed real estate at about $23 sf; look up REAL values and decide for yourself if this is a good deal for the members. The property was NEVER offered on the open market and was brokered without the involvement or input from the club at large. No deal has been signed yet, so if the club is "facing insolvency" why not offer it to the general public? The property will not "revert" to the National, it's like any other property. Better to wait until better times to sell. List the property with a legitimate COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AGENCY who can advertise statewide, not some local agent with a reputation.
David

Sacramento, CA

#15 Jun 8, 2012
Build Winco and quit the political bickering. So what if the property was not offered on the open, so what is there are side commission deals to me made. What that attitude nothing would be built. Vallejo is against development, against retail, against growth, against the police, they deserve what they get.

Maybe Benicia can try to get Winco. I would imagine they are more progressive anyway.

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Since: May 12

Vallejo

#16 Jun 8, 2012
Hey Wanglow, Remember when Lowes came in to town? The property they built on was never offered to the general public either. Happens all the time in commercial real estate deals. So quit your dam n belly-acking already. WinCo is a great company, quality food at very reasonable prices, are employee owned, a good job source, and will be a great fit here.
A Thought

Vacaville, CA

#17 Jun 8, 2012
Not everything at WINCO is a better buy than other places, and some of their products seem substandard. If you are an aware shopper, you will do ok. I hit WINCO about every two weeks. Go on Saturday morning; lot's of free samples; like having a free lunch.
hiddenbrooke swell

Vallejo, CA

#18 Jun 8, 2012
you won't find any of us in a winco anyway.
Lulu

Vacaville, CA

#19 Jun 10, 2012
hiddenbrooke swell wrote:
you won't find any of us in a winco anyway.
Good

“Here's a interesting thought..”

Since: May 12

Vallejo

#20 Jun 10, 2012
hiddenbrooke swell wrote:
you won't find any of us in a winco anyway.
DAM(N) thats good news, thanks

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