Priorities for improving downtown Val...

Priorities for improving downtown Vallejo outlined in group workshop

There are 13 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Jul 20, 2012, titled Priorities for improving downtown Vallejo outlined in group workshop. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

Vallejo Acting Planning Manager Michelle Hightower listens to citizen Anne Carr talk about what should be done first to help the downtown area.

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gimmie gimmie gimmie

United States

#1 Jul 20, 2012
hire artists to put art in store windows, hire another public information officer, hey mcconnell where will this money come from ???? this city is bankrupt and still trying to pay off it's past and current debts. there is no silk purse here. also name the several cities where the artists have lead the way to recovery, you big lying phoney.
fureal

South San Francisco, CA

#2 Jul 20, 2012
uuhuh... 201 maine
nuf' said
Until the city make a serious move to obliterate 201 maine from it's census maps NOTHING will improve "downtown" !
Don't know how may ways you can say it.... It's a pretty big f'ing elephant.
seen it

Vallejo, CA

#3 Jul 20, 2012
gimmie gimmie gimmie wrote:
hire artists to put art in store windows, hire another public information officer, hey mcconnell where will this money come from ???? this city is bankrupt and still trying to pay off it's past and current debts. there is no silk purse here. also name the several cities where the artists have lead the way to recovery, you big lying phoney.
this guy has proven to either ignorant or stubbornly optimistic. last week he was asking ursula if there was an alternate route for the railroad to come on to mare island! the biggest problem with today's vallejo is that the city leaders do not acknowledge our status as a depressed community by several standards. hope springs eternal i guess, but just look around anywhere you go in this town. all variety of bums, thugs, and dopers, downtown, on tennessee street, home of at least 4 marijuana shops, east vallejo is lost to same. we own it all now, after decades of bad policy. still, leaders hope to attract new business and residents. most of the new businesses are weed shops and new residents are packing housing vouchers. damn shame, vallejo 2012.
GEE

Alameda, CA

#4 Jul 21, 2012
Downtown can not thrive nor can any other part of our town become vital if we continue government sanctiond social dumping.

The notion that the downtown can bloom by having a flea market is mind boggling. Where would this money maker be located? How much revenue (taxes) can we generate and receive from a once in a while occurance? Or are we seeking a more bohemian approach and thereby become a Berkeley of the North that does attract even more of what we already have, like a very laid back bunch of do nothings, without the backup of businesses that Berkeley has? Once the novelty wears off, we will be left with something that we can no longer dislodge, we are stuck with it....

What is or will happen in our downtown will affect all of Vallejo.
Captain

Pleasanton, CA

#5 Jul 22, 2012
GEE wrote:
Downtown can not thrive nor can any other part of our town become vital if we continue government sanctiond social dumping.
The notion that the downtown can bloom by having a flea market is mind boggling. Where would this money maker be located? How much revenue (taxes) can we generate and receive from a once in a while occurance? Or are we seeking a more bohemian approach and thereby become a Berkeley of the North that does attract even more of what we already have, like a very laid back bunch of do nothings, without the backup of businesses that Berkeley has? Once the novelty wears off, we will be left with something that we can no longer dislodge, we are stuck with it....
What is or will happen in our downtown will affect all of Vallejo.
Gee, If you have downtown merchants that are barely hanging on then something as small as the incremental boost from a flea market "may" make a difference. Or the fact that there is effort, any effort, being made to promote downtown at minimal cost may help those struggling business's to push forward.

I understand you concerns but it isn't like you to be negative without providing a solution. Is there really a downside to this low cost attempt at stimulus?
edward g

Vallejo, CA

#6 Jul 22, 2012
yeah, it's the two rats that will move into the neighborhood to continue to shake down donors for their vague and unremarkable program services, see?
GEE

Alameda, CA

#7 Jul 22, 2012
Captain wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, If you have downtown merchants that are barely hanging on then something as small as the incremental boost from a flea market "may" make a difference. Or the fact that there is effort, any effort, being made to promote downtown at minimal cost may help those struggling business's to push forward.
I understand you concerns but it isn't like you to be negative without providing a solution. Is there really a downside to this low cost attempt at stimulus?
Of course there is a short time, low cost attempt at generating business for the merchants presently occupying the downtown. But when the event is over and done, that foot traffic will withdraw and is a memory, until the next time.

I have tried to remain open minded on a lot of things about the down town. We obviously have to live in unison with 201 Maine, no matter how tough we talk about razing the place, which will not happen. As a "social dumping ground" that site will remain, maybe not in its present form, but further expanded under the urban living umbrella!

I offered suggestions many times, for instance a year round, permanent (Farmers) Market, produce/dairy/bakery/butcher etc. located indoors at street level, in our numerous empty buildings. This concept is very old and used in many countries as well.
US Americans consider it quaint while traveling, but not willing to think about bringing home this concept. How come? Does anyone believe that closing off a vital artery even for just a few hours will bring repeat customers?

I am further discouraged when small step efforts are well received, like the mini-brewery/eatery on Georgia Street and then simply fold up and slither away, while we have businesses that really only cater to a select group of people will make decisions that do not seem to appeal to the masses....and the masses have to be attracted if the merchant wishes to stay in business.

To many people a Flea Market is an event, so are garage sales, etc.
They may be money makers for those merchants and some eateries at those times, but revitalizing a whole down town through that is doubtful, IMO.

The problem remains, people simply do not want to come down town, for various reasons I am certain will be brought up.

I maintain that in order to survive a business has to cater and appeal to the majority of people in order to sustain itself. Having a niche boutique business without having associated mass appeal business in the vicinity is not going to let the before mentioned merchant survive.
The believe that this concept has to work because that is what we have presently, is bass achward planning. Bring in every day goods people need before wanting to make a living off the grazers.
fureal

South San Francisco, CA

#8 Jul 22, 2012
You mean you're not interested in Barbies, African Art,hairweaves, and fake "antiques" ?
Lamont Hightower

Vallejo, CA

#9 Jul 22, 2012
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fureal

South San Francisco, CA

#10 Jul 22, 2012
is that a big ol' elephant in the room ?
and btw get rid of the fake safeway church as well.
GEE

Alameda, CA

#11 Jul 22, 2012
Wishing on a star, wishing for the project to go away, any bridges for sale ....

Too many people involved, too much profit made by those owning/managing the complex, possibly any one of us having investments.

I am going to be crude for a moment here, but why should a breeder kill his best sow as long as she produces? If I do not see a response,

"I shall assume that your silence gives consent!~Plato~
fureal

South San Francisco, CA

#12 Jul 22, 2012
unfortunately too true. as long as vallejo continues to farm the poor, suck at the teat of government and feverishly grovel for the financial table scraps it's thrown, nothing will ever change.
There are simply to many morons (pretending) running the city.
Lamont Hightower

Vallejo, CA

#13 Jul 22, 2012
201 Maine = Richmond in a bottle!

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