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annoyed

United States

#1 Feb 1, 2013
I just want to know why in the world our goverment will pay people back more income tax than what they paid in. I get that there are alot of single parents out there but if you only pay in 500 dollars in taxes you shouldn't get back 6000 dollars. Yes I say give you back the 500 but thats all. These people decide to lay down and have 3 or more kids and we reward them for this. They know they can't afford them. They decide not to marry the baby's daddy so the goverment will help them more. And another thing if you are getting goverment help you owe those taxes back to the goverment. That is why the US is in so much trouble . Half of these people use that tax money for tattoos and other BS. The US needs to quit rewarding bad behavior. And all of these baby daddys need to grow a set and take care of your offspring. And women need to sew that hole shut if you can't afford the babies.
really

Shelby, NC

#2 Feb 1, 2013
annoyed wrote:
I just want to know why in the world our goverment will pay people back more income tax than what they paid in. I get that there are alot of single parents out there but if you only pay in 500 dollars in taxes you shouldn't get back 6000 dollars. Yes I say give you back the 500 but thats all. These people decide to lay down and have 3 or more kids and we reward them for this. They know they can't afford them. They decide not to marry the baby's daddy so the goverment will help them more. And another thing if you are getting goverment help you owe those taxes back to the goverment. That is why the US is in so much trouble . Half of these people use that tax money for tattoos and other BS. The US needs to quit rewarding bad behavior. And all of these baby daddys need to grow a set and take care of your offspring. And women need to sew that hole shut if you can't afford the babies.
It is welfare in disguise and as you stated it rewards people for bad behavior. To many it is the bulk of their yearly income which is ridiculous. All the more reason for a national sales tax thus eliminating income tax as we know it. The rich pay reduced taxes thru an abundance of tax breaks and loopholes, the lower income actually profit from tax returns, which leave the working middle class to support the whole country and we can't do it much longer before the entire system breaks down . We are a bankrupt nation now, yet our government spends money wastefully at a record pace.
Yep

United States

#3 Feb 1, 2013
really wrote:
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It is welfare in disguise and as you stated it rewards people for bad behavior. To many it is the bulk of their yearly income which is ridiculous. All the more reason for a national sales tax thus eliminating income tax as we know it. The rich pay reduced taxes thru an abundance of tax breaks and loopholes, the lower income actually profit from tax returns, which leave the working middle class to support the whole country and we can't do it much longer before the entire system breaks down . We are a bankrupt nation now, yet our government spends money wastefully at a record pace.
People just don't have respect for theirslf anymore. It's like they think the world owes them. I was behind a girl at the grocery store and she was bragging about getting the good stuff cause she didnt have to pay for it. She wasn't going to get the off brand food. That just burns me up to see that the younger generation thinks that way. Our goverment is so stupid for letting people get by with this. And then the hispanic men laying up with white women and having babies they don't take care of. The girl doesn't even try to make them pay child support. Just come to the US and we will work our butts off and take care of everybody. Well the money is running out deadbeats. Go claim your 5000 dollar tax money for now cause it won't last forever.
My Conclusion

Hickory, NC

#4 Feb 1, 2013
I canít agree that the Rich donít pay taxes or that the middle class pays more.
In an article by Walter E. Williams He states: According to IRS 2007 data, the richest 1 percent of Americans earned 22 percent of national personal income but paid 40 percent of all personal income taxes. The top 5 percent earned 37 percent and paid 61 percent of personal income tax. The top 10 percent earned 48 percent and paid 71 percent of all personal income taxes. The bottom 50 percent earned 12 percent of personal income but paid just 3 percent of income tax revenues.

Some argue that these observations are misleading because there are other federal taxes the bottom 50 percenters pay such as Social Security and excise taxes. Moore presents data from the Tax Policy Center, run by the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, that takes into account payroll and income taxes paid by different income groups. Because of the earned income tax credit, most of America's poor pay little or nothing. What the Tax Policy Center calls working class pay 3 percent of all federal taxes, middle class 11 percent, upper middle class 19 percent and wealthy 67 percent.

President Obama and the Democratic Party harp about tax fairness. Here's my fairness question to you: What standard of fairness dictates that the top 10 percent of income earners pay 71 percent of the federal income tax burden while 47 percent of Americans pay absolutely nothing?

Dr. Williams serves on the faculty of George Mason University as John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics
really

Shelby, NC

#5 Feb 1, 2013
My Conclusion wrote:
I can’t agree that the Rich don’t pay taxes or that the middle class pays more.
In an article by Walter E. Williams He states: According to IRS 2007 data, the richest 1 percent of Americans earned 22 percent of national personal income but paid 40 percent of all personal income taxes. The top 5 percent earned 37 percent and paid 61 percent of personal income tax. The top 10 percent earned 48 percent and paid 71 percent of all personal income taxes. The bottom 50 percent earned 12 percent of personal income but paid just 3 percent of income tax revenues.

Some argue that these observations are misleading because there are other federal taxes the bottom 50 percenters pay such as Social Security and excise taxes. Moore presents data from the Tax Policy Center, run by the liberal Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, that takes into account payroll and income taxes paid by different income groups. Because of the earned income tax credit, most of America's poor pay little or nothing. What the Tax Policy Center calls working class pay 3 percent of all federal taxes, middle class 11 percent, upper middle class 19 percent and wealthy 67 percent.

President Obama and the Democratic Party harp about tax fairness. Here's my fairness question to you: What standard of fairness dictates that the top 10 percent of income earners pay 71 percent of the federal income tax burden while 47 percent of Americans pay absolutely nothing?

Dr. Williams serves on the faculty of George Mason University as John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics
I agree the numbers are confusing. The numbers you referenced are based on total dollar value. When shown in that manner the top earners do pay a huge portion of the national budget, yet when you change those numbers to current individual tax rates the top 10% pay an avg of 14% vs the middle class at over 33% as well 47% of citizens pay 0%. Also the 2007 statistics are prior to the Bush era tax cuts which reduced top earners tax liability. I personally think tax rates should be lower for top earners as those are the ones that fuel the economy thru investments, business funding and job creation, guess you could consider it a volume discount. What I disagree with is 47% not paying taxes and unearned income credits allowing the low earners the ability to profit from tax over-refunds. No one should get more refund than they paid in.
awww

Fayetteville, NC

#6 Feb 2, 2013
somebody is Jealous , bless their hearts!
really

Lenoir, NC

#7 Feb 2, 2013
awww wrote:
somebody is Jealous , bless their hearts!
Guess you are one of those waiting on the rapid refund. Lol
awww

Fayetteville, NC

#8 Feb 2, 2013
really wrote:
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Guess you are one of those waiting on the rapid refund. Lol
Im not waiting . im not crying about what others have and i don't have like you buncha whiny babies! lmao .

Ive used my last 3 years of tax refunds to put myself through college and will graduate this year due to having those taxes!

* sticks tongue out at stupid people*
annoyed

Abingdon, VA

#9 Feb 2, 2013
awww wrote:
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Im not waiting . im not crying about what others have and i don't have like you buncha whiny babies! lmao .
Ive used my last 3 years of tax refunds to put myself through college and will graduate this year due to having those taxes!
* sticks tongue out at stupid people*
Wonder how many kids you have by your baby's daddys to get all of that money. And how many hospital bills we paid for you to have them
really

Lenoir, NC

#10 Feb 2, 2013
awww wrote:
<quoted text>Im not waiting . im not crying about what others have and i don't have like you buncha whiny babies! lmao .

Ive used my last 3 years of tax refunds to put myself through college and will graduate this year due to having those taxes!

* sticks tongue out at stupid people*
If you contributed your tax refunds toward college then I applaud you but you know as well as I do the majority of those receiving unearned tax credits do not spend as wisely. Secondly, I am not "whining" about not having anything, my tax liability alone this year is almost 40k not including property tax, I am pissed however that people can sit back and do nothing and the government rewards them. Why should I pay 40grand a year in income taxes just to have it handed out to the 47% that pay nothing??
really

Lenoir, NC

#11 Feb 2, 2013
awww wrote:
<quoted text>Im not waiting . im not crying about what others have and i don't have like you buncha whiny babies! lmao .

Ive used my last 3 years of tax refunds to put myself through college and will graduate this year due to having those taxes!

* sticks tongue out at stupid people*
Btw, before you finish college please take a course on maturity, your post seemed very childish esp. sticking your tongue out. Curious to know your major??
annoyed

Abingdon, VA

#12 Feb 2, 2013
There is nothing wrong with using your tax money to go to college but you shouldn't get more than you paid in. People seem to forget the world dosen't owe you anything. If you choose to have a bunch of kids you can't afford we shouldn't have to help support them or you. Sew that hole shut!
We need change

Boiling Springs, SC

#13 Feb 3, 2013
I have an idea why doesn't the government make those people who get those big refund checks use rhe extra money ro pay back the money they owe for having food stamps, medicaid, abd welfare,etc. That might help balance the budget. Another thing if you are a single parent and recieve earned the earned income credit you most likely got a pell grant which means college was payed for a nd you also got to keep the money left ober from your pell grant
Once again our government paying for people to have nabies go to school pay tjere daycare etc. People like me and my husband will work 2 or 3 jobs to sent our children to college. Just doesn't make sense to reward the lazy and punish the working
annoyed

Abingdon, VA

#14 Feb 3, 2013
We need change wrote:
I have an idea why doesn't the government make those people who get those big refund checks use rhe extra money ro pay back the money they owe for having food stamps, medicaid, abd welfare,etc. That might help balance the budget. Another thing if you are a single parent and recieve earned the earned income credit you most likely got a pell grant which means college was payed for a nd you also got to keep the money left ober from your pell grant
Once again our government paying for people to have nabies go to school pay tjere daycare etc. People like me and my husband will work 2 or 3 jobs to sent our children to college. Just doesn't make sense to reward the lazy and punish the working
That is exactly how I feel. I know its hard to be a single mother but you know when I had my son I didn't ask for help from the goverment. I worked and raised him by myself for years. His father wasn't ever in his life and didn't pay child support.I even paid my hospital bill by myself. It took me 3 yrs to get it paid but I am proud to say I did it not other people. People today seem to think tax payers owe them for spreading their legs and having kids.I for one is fed up with sending you to college ,paying for your baby sitter and your food. Grow up and take care of yourself. And by the way I never got back more than I paid in for being a single parent.
We need change

Boiling Springs, SC

#15 Feb 3, 2013
I was in the same boat. I married young raised my son by myself and i worked sometimes 2 jobs i paid my way. My son is now 16 and he works part time and goes to highschool. He didn't get everything he wanted but he was loved and had everything he needed. He works and maintains his grades and wants to attend app when he graduates next year. I brought him up to earn his way. I think more people should teach that life lesson and not teach their children how to take handouts and live off the government.
Pamela

Lenoir, NC

#16 Feb 4, 2013
Shame! I understand people being upset when people live off of the tax payers and don't try to better themselves. But complaining about people getting Pell Grants? Goodness gracious, they're trying to achieve something! It isn't as easy to get a decent job now like it was when we were younger, especially around here. There's a large difference between people sitting on their butts and mooching and them using these resources to try to get on their feet!

Everyone's situation is different and everyone complaining would feel differently if it were their children and grandchildren getting those subsidies.
We need change

Charlotte, NC

#17 Feb 4, 2013
Let me clarify, I find it hard to believe someone paid there way through college with their income tax return if they recieve a pell grant. I am not down grading using a pell grant. Lets stay on topic. So you know I'm well aware of how difficult it is to find a job. If you look at most of the people living off the government they sre usually following in the steps of their parents.
annoyed

United States

#18 Feb 4, 2013
I know people personally that used the goverment and got money to go to school to be nurses and with their extra money they got boob jobs and tattoos. To me thats BS. And now that they are making good money they complain about paying taxes for people getting the same hand out they did. I think that parents of girls having babies before they are 18 and not married should be responsible for their babies. You know that alot of people getting this help is misusing alot of that money. I would be ashamed of my child getting that kind of help and not standing on their own two feet. Another thing if you have one baby and need help thats not as bad as having 2 or 3 children. Start making these men pay for the children.When you have girls not trying to get child support and still screwing around with the dad thats BS too.
annoyed

United States

#19 Feb 4, 2013
Pamela wrote:
Shame! I understand people being upset when people live off of the tax payers and don't try to better themselves. But complaining about people getting Pell Grants? Goodness gracious, they're trying to achieve something! It isn't as easy to get a decent job now like it was when we were younger, especially around here. There's a large difference between people sitting on their butts and mooching and them using these resources to try to get on their feet!
Everyone's situation is different and everyone complaining would feel differently if it were their children and grandchildren getting those subsidies.
also you are missing the point our complaint is that people get back more income taxes than they pay in and are getting goverment help. Maybe you like paying out your pay check for them but I sure don't.
TheBeesKnees

Lenoir, NC

#20 Feb 4, 2013
Pamela wrote:
Shame! I understand people being upset when people live off of the tax payers and don't try to better themselves. But complaining about people getting Pell Grants? Goodness gracious, they're trying to achieve something! It isn't as easy to get a decent job now like it was when we were younger, especially around here. There's a large difference between people sitting on their butts and mooching and them using these resources to try to get on their feet!
Everyone's situation is different and everyone complaining would feel differently if it were their children and grandchildren getting those subsidies.
Pamela I agree. I am a prime example of this. I went to college for my Associates Degree in Nursing on a Pell Grant. I had two small children. My husband worked but yet I qualified for the grant. I graduated in 1998. In 2006 I wanted to go on further. I now owe quite the pretty penny in student loans that were used to get my BSN from Lees-Mcrae. No one should ever feel degraded for doing something to better themselves and their children. Like everything else, I am sure the grant system gets abused but don't label everyone who has ever used it..

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