Anger builds in case of NC disabled g...

Anger builds in case of NC disabled girl's death

There are 38 comments on the Connecticut Post story from Nov 20, 2010, titled Anger builds in case of NC disabled girl's death. In it, Connecticut Post reports that:

Allison Kolb, right, and Casey Tillman, left, place items at memorial for Zahra Baker in front of the last home Adam and Elisa Baker lived in Hickory, N.C., Thursday, Nov.

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Patience

Spring Lake, NC

#1 Nov 20, 2010
I to am wishful that someone will be held responsible in Zahra's death but everyone needs to calm down and quit trying to be judge and jury until the process has time to work. Let the police do their job so that they can get the best case possible. Everybody wants to jump the gun and execute them last month. We don't even know all the evidence that HPD has. Just maybe they haven't charged anyone yet because they want to make sure the charges stick. I have more trust in the police than I do the DA. So, everyone take a deep breath and let justice takes its course.

Since: Oct 10

Lenoir

#2 Nov 21, 2010
I agree with you, but it is hard to hold in such anger about the death and disposal of an innocent child who had gone through so much pain in her short life. I as a parent can't even begin to understand how a parent can hurt their child or allow their child to be hurt by someone else.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#3 Nov 21, 2010
I think a lot of the anger of this case is misguided... like the vandalism, and the whackos making threats. But I think that it is overall healthy and perfectly normal for people to show their outrage about something of this nature. I really dread the day when this becomes an everyday occurrence around here and no one gets upset. I don't ever want to see that kind of passiveness about such a horrific crime.
Common Sense

United States

#4 Nov 21, 2010
This is a terribly sad case. Having it happen in our own community makes it real. I hope the folks who are outraged will put that energy to use protecting the children who still need our help when the news trucks are gone.
Patience

Spring Lake, NC

#5 Nov 21, 2010
I agree that it should never be commonplace for peopele to just be so passive about child abuse or murder. However, I have heard some very harsh words from people that don't even understand the judicial process. I totally agree that those responsible for her death need to be dealt with accordingly. I also agree that some of this anger and frustration needs to be directed toward how to prevent this from happening again. We, as a community, need to use this as a time to learn and teach ourselves and our children about what is going on in this case so that we all can come out better. I'm confident that justice will be served, whether it be here on earth or before God. I have children and couldn't evn begin to think of how anyone could hurt a child like this.
Porcelain

AOL

#6 Nov 21, 2010
Patience wrote:
I agree that it should never be commonplace for peopele to just be so passive about child abuse or murder. However, I have heard some very harsh words from people that don't even understand the judicial process. I totally agree that those responsible for her death need to be dealt with accordingly. I also agree that some of this anger and frustration needs to be directed toward how to prevent this from happening again. We, as a community, need to use this as a time to learn and teach ourselves and our children about what is going on in this case so that we all can come out better. I'm confident that justice will be served, whether it be here on earth or before God. I have children and couldn't evn begin to think of how anyone could hurt a child like this.
What exactly is your meaning,"HARSH WORDS FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS"? Our community has yet got involved in making our voice heard. Is it because it not our child, so we will simply post our thoughts on WHO DID IT. Nancy Grace cover's that issue and paid lots.We HERE needs to start making DSS {agency] and holding personnaly the case workers. Why assume our justice system will charge the parents, that our system, BUT what about DSS [ agency ]? Are they not part of Zryah's MURDER, are they not suppose to make decision that keeps our children out of harms way. Listen to the news, DSS is involved in thousands of childrens death. They are getting away with MURDER. Sure this agency and the case workers do not MURDER our children, but they are involved, the "JUDICIAL PROCESS" as refered to, are not held accountable. With my heart felt thoughts posted,then I feel we are guilty also. Sure, we want be charged for this crime, but the history of this agency is not doing what our tax dollars are intended to do. So JUST BECAUSE it's not our child, lets make these children lives lost to MURDER and agency's and case worker, social worker, liable.

God Bless our solders and keep them safe and GOD BLESS AMERICA.

Since: Jan 08

Four Oaks, NC

#7 Nov 21, 2010
What ever happened to "It takes a whole village to raise a child"? what happened to the time when we cold allow our children to play within their home neighborhood and be safe and secure? What happened to the time when we could allow our children to go outside and play and we parents didn't have to panic when they got out of our sights, but was assured that the parent down the road would actually pick up the phone, call us and say "hey your child is at my house playing, what time would you like for me to send them home? What happened to the time when our kids could be kids and we didn't have to drill it into them that this one is bad, and that one is a child molester, don't trust that person because of whatever. We are forced to put panic in their little heads, we have to make them fear people, we have to explain sex, good touch/bad touch, way before they are old enough to comprehend it all. children these days do not have carefree, happy times when all is good because we as parents, teachers, Grandparents have to teach them all the bad things they, as young children shouldn't have to know..
fghj

Gaffney, SC

#9 Nov 21, 2010
well said, alicia.
The Truth

AOL

#10 Nov 22, 2010
Alicia W wrote:
What ever happened to "It takes a whole village to raise a child"? what happened to the time when we cold allow our children to play within their home neighborhood and be safe and secure? What happened to the time when we could allow our children to go outside and play and we parents didn't have to panic when they got out of our sights, but was assured that the parent down the road would actually pick up the phone, call us and say "hey your child is at my house playing, what time would you like for me to send them home? What happened to the time when our kids could be kids and we didn't have to drill it into them that this one is bad, and that one is a child molester, don't trust that person because of whatever. We are forced to put panic in their little heads, we have to make them fear people, we have to explain sex, good touch/bad touch, way before they are old enough to comprehend it all. children these days do not have carefree, happy times when all is good because we as parents, teachers, Grandparents have to teach them all the bad things they, as young children shouldn't have to know..
You hit the nail on the head. The sad thing is what kind of adults are the children of today going to be. The "Mayberry" idyllic is no longer in vogue. That is a pity.
fghj

Gaffney, SC

#11 Nov 22, 2010
IF half of them even make it to adulthood w/out already being in jail. ya know!!
criminals and killers seem to be a lot younger these days then when I was 10 yrs old.
when I was a teenager, I rarely ever saw a baby murdered by their family...compared to now, it was even rare to hear of missing ppl.
It truely is a pity....and with all the extra resources and things they have now, seems these kids could find something better to do.
Patience

Spring Lake, NC

#12 Nov 22, 2010
Porcelain wrote:
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What exactly is your meaning,"HARSH WORDS FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS"? Our community has yet got involved in making our voice heard. Is it because it not our child, so we will simply post our thoughts on WHO DID IT. Nancy Grace cover's that issue and paid lots.We HERE needs to start making DSS {agency] and holding personnaly the case workers. Why assume our justice system will charge the parents, that our system, BUT what about DSS [ agency ]? Are they not part of Zryah's MURDER, are they not suppose to make decision that keeps our children out of harms way. Listen to the news, DSS is involved in thousands of childrens death. They are getting away with MURDER. Sure this agency and the case workers do not MURDER our children, but they are involved, the "JUDICIAL PROCESS" as refered to, are not held accountable. With my heart felt thoughts posted,then I feel we are guilty also. Sure, we want be charged for this crime, but the history of this agency is not doing what our tax dollars are intended to do. So JUST BECAUSE it's not our child, lets make these children lives lost to MURDER and agency's and case worker, social worker, liable.
God Bless our solders and keep them safe and GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Here is exactly what I mean when I say, "HARSH WORDS FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS". There are people out there that already want to hang these two people without first hearing the evidence. Let's wait and see where the police are at with this case at the end of the day. In the America that I live in we don't execute people before they are tried in a court of law. I understand people are angry and want an answer right now. Sometimes it has to wait so that a case can be fully developed. I agree that DSS doesn't do the job that we would like to see done. Heck, I don't even like what I see when it comes to DSS. They could do better. They also could use a few more bodies to help them. Zahra's case appears to be a long list of failures that developed into the perfect storm. Unfortunately a child had to die because of it. Maybe this will wake up not only those who are charged with protecting our children but also those who hold the purse strings that pay the people to protect our children. Thank you for recognizing our soldiers.
they are lazy

United States

#13 Nov 22, 2010
Patience wrote:
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Here is exactly what I mean when I say, "HARSH WORDS FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS". There are people out there that already want to hang these two people without first hearing the evidence. Let's wait and see where the police are at with this case at the end of the day. In the America that I live in we don't execute people before they are tried in a court of law. I understand people are angry and want an answer right now. Sometimes it has to wait so that a case can be fully developed. I agree that DSS doesn't do the job that we would like to see done. Heck, I don't even like what I see when it comes to DSS. They could do better. They also could use a few more bodies to help them. Zahra's case appears to be a long list of failures that developed into the perfect storm. Unfortunately a child had to die because of it. Maybe this will wake up not only those who are charged with protecting our children but also those who hold the purse strings that pay the people to protect our children. Thank you for recognizing our soldiers.
To start with if DSS would do their job then they wouldn't need more bodies. When a worker waits 2 plus days to return a call that is not doing their job. WHen they come in at 8am wait till 9:30 to start work start taking lunch at 11:00 don't come back till 1:00, start going home at 4:00. Dang that's just a free ride. And that's just the office workers. Then you have the field workers who don't even start visiting till 11:00 and then they go to lunch,break go home at 4:00. Only have time to do 2 visits a day. WHY Because your shopping during working hours? Now let's go to home health agencies and that includes the health dept. A nurse comes out ant spends 10 minutes taking BP,weight,and listening to the lungs and heart. Then the bill that is sent out is $115.00. Now if that isn't price gouging I don't know what is. So how can we afford to pay more DSS workers when we have to pay that kind of bill out of state funds.

Now that being said then you come to the DSS worker who goes above and beyound the call. The one who starts visiting at 7 and don't go home till after dark. Sadly they are few and far in between and those few can't carry the whole load.
A Hole

Greensboro, NC

#15 Nov 23, 2010
In the past five years 137 children have died in NC while being investigated by DSS.I believe there could be something wrong with our "system"
gamewellmom

Gaffney, SC

#16 Nov 23, 2010
I dont think it takes a village to raise a child. I think that it is the parents responsibility, and when they dont do it only then should the state or relatives step in. The problem here is Caldwell County DSS doesnt do their jobs. This isnt the first time they have failed a child brought to their attention. It is just the first time it has gotten this much attention.
As for not understanding the judicial process, I think it is apples and oranges when you are talking about the community outrage over Zahra's death. Most of the people commenting will never serve on that jury, and innocent until proven guilty is something for the courts, not every day joes. Common sense or street smarts tell anyone who sees this case who the killers are.
If Adam or Lisa thought this wouldnt blow up on them in this small area, boy were they ever wrong. Neither of them will ever be safe again if they arent indicted and found guilty. Its that simple.
concerned

Fayetteville, NC

#17 Nov 23, 2010
gamewellmom wrote:
I dont think it takes a village to raise a child. I think that it is the parents responsibility, and when they dont do it only then should the state or relatives step in. The problem here is Caldwell County DSS doesnt do their jobs. This isnt the first time they have failed a child brought to their attention. It is just the first time it has gotten this much attention.
As for not understanding the judicial process, I think it is apples and oranges when you are talking about the community outrage over Zahra's death. Most of the people commenting will never serve on that jury, and innocent until proven guilty is something for the courts, not every day joes. Common sense or street smarts tell anyone who sees this case who the killers are.
If Adam or Lisa thought this wouldnt blow up on them in this small area, boy were they ever wrong. Neither of them will ever be safe again if they arent indicted and found guilty. Its that simple.
I agree with you caldwell county dss they might do a report follow threw with it for a week or 2 then they vanish only wanting the parent that has done no wrong to do classes and the parent that has done wrong gets off and the child still is left there. Or they will take the kids away and 2 weeks later give them back. Very rarely do I hear about them takein kids and actually helping them our system is no good we need better people there. Our kids should be our number 1. But our system dont see it that way. rip little zahra you are in a better place now
court

United States

#18 Nov 23, 2010
gamewellmom wrote:
Most of the people commenting will never serve on that jury, and innocent until proven guilty is something for the courts, not every day joes.
It will be everyday joes that sit on the jury so yes they do become the court. And it will be hard anywhere to find someone that hasn't heard the case.
porcelain

AOL

#19 Nov 23, 2010
Patience wrote:
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Here is exactly what I mean when I say, "HARSH WORDS FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THE JUDICIAL PROCESS". There are people out there that already want to hang these two people without first hearing the evidence. Let's wait and see where the police are at with this case at the end of the day. In the America that I live in we don't execute people before they are tried in a court of law. I understand people are angry and want an answer right now. Sometimes it has to wait so that a case can be fully developed. I agree that DSS doesn't do the job that we would like to see done. Heck, I don't even like what I see when it comes to DSS. They could do better. They also could use a few more bodies to help them. Zahra's case appears to be a long list of failures that developed into the perfect storm. Unfortunately a child had to die because of it. Maybe this will wake up not only those who are charged with protecting our children but also those who hold the purse strings that pay the people to protect our children. Thank you for recognizing our soldiers.
Thank you for your reasoning of including DSS in those to BLAME for her MURDER. Our Solders are losing their lives fighting for the AMERICAN DREAMS which is intended for us to do our part back here in AMERICA, to do our part to secure protection. How simple is that??. Get involved, do more than post, make those WE voted for KNOW this is not going to continue,be concerned even tho this was not our child or grandchild enought to write letter, make phone calls.

As it has been said, AMERICA" is killing each other while our soldiers are in foreign land being killed to protect us back home.

God bless you and keep you strong in your belief and hope you and your family have a blessed THANKSGIVING.
porcelain

AOL

#21 Nov 23, 2010
T Willams wrote:
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Hate to bust your bubble but i can tell you from 8+ years of first hand experience the Solders fighting the so called "war on terror" are not there to protect you from "terrorist".
They are there for the simple fact war generates MASSIVE amounts of MONEY.
I tromped across every friggin desert waste land in Iraq and the only "terrorist" i ever encountered where the PEOPLE of the LAND we illegally invaded. YES... is said Illegally.
You would not believe the absolute ridiculous places they had us looking for those "illusive" Weapons of mass DECEPTION.
The so called "Terrorist" are the citizens of the country of Iraq who had their entire families carpet bombed, invaded and blasted all to hell over a flat out lie.

here sitting in your home and Chinese troops landed outside and started blowing your city all to hell what would you do? If you where minding your own business and another country invaded your town and killed your mother, father, children, brothers, sisters, friends ect... what would you do?
Thank them? I would pretty much doubt that.
Thats exactly what we are "fighting" in Iraq. People who have lost everything, everybody they love to a horrible invader from America.
Anyone who cant see this by now should be considered legally blind.
When we started the invasion in Iraq we where told to KILL any male between 14 to 60 years old,(using our own judgment of age)that walked, ran or resisted our AMERICAN (English) demands.
Do you realize how many Iraqis where killed just because they didnt have a clue how to understand English?
I support our Solders 110% but its embarrassingly sad as to the reason they are still over there.
Do you know what a UAV is? Well... if not Google "UAV pilot"
These guys sit in Virgina and blow Iraqis away like they are playing a friggin video game. Sure the technology looks awesome but its so flawed its beyond sad. These guys have the "red light" to blast anything or anybody they "feel" is a threat... using nothing but a infrared camera equipped with a EO-IR-Laser. They cant tell the difference between a terrorist and a woman walking home with groceries surrounded by her children... but best bet they will blast them anyway.
Sadly in the eyes of most foreign countries "America" has become the over powered, bully nation that is basically OWNED by China due to the 2 TRILLION dollars your government has borrowed and can never pay back.
Thank you for responding with you comments. First let me THANK YOU for your 8+years of sevice to OUR country. Second, it was your decision to serve your county 8+years, not because you were drafted. With that thought, in mind, lets you and I see how your service to OUR county was with a self serving PURPOSE. Our military is the largest employer in the world, their pay and fringe is to intice people like us. You did not serve during combat, if you were injured, eventho it was not combat, our goverment[VA} would step up to the plate. Let me acknowledge it doesn't compensate for life changes, but this applies to us that severed not not in COMBAT, meaning that we got more that those poor SOLDERS that fought in combat. Our GOVERMENT has done a grave injust to those SOLDERS. They had no choise, but they did it with HONOR.Granted we you and I don't live in a perfect world, but some people uses situtations for their own personal gain, not even the thouhgt of or purpose to serve our country.

So, would you look at holding our local goverment agency accountable.
deceptive

United States

#22 Nov 23, 2010
porcelain wrote:
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Thank you for responding with you comments. First let me THANK YOU for your 8+years of sevice to OUR country. Second, it was your decision to serve your county 8+years, not because you were drafted. With that thought, in mind, lets you and I see how your service to OUR county was with a self serving PURPOSE. Our military is the largest employer in the world, their pay and fringe is to intice people like us. You did not serve during combat, if you were injured, eventho it was not combat, our goverment[VA} would step up to the plate. Let me acknowledge it doesn't compensate for life changes, but this applies to us that severed not not in COMBAT, meaning that we got more that those poor SOLDERS that fought in combat. Our GOVERMENT has done a grave injust to those SOLDERS. They had no choise, but they did it with HONOR.Granted we you and I don't live in a perfect world, but some people uses situtations for their own personal gain, not even the thouhgt of or purpose to serve our country.
So, would you look at holding our local goverment agency accountable.
I would. ANd you think they get great benefits. LMAO. Ask someone who hass been there. They make their benefits sound good nut they actually suck.Then when you are no longer serving you are really SOL just as I am sure some on here can tell you horror stories of how they can't get help. Then you have those that go to combat and they are not given counseling(deprogrammed) when they come back but they sure are programmed before they go. Then the things they have to do and see. Then they are given no help when they return home. So yes you are d*** straight I blame the government. If it wasn't the government it would be called false advertisement.
gogetum

United States

#24 Dec 3, 2010
fghj wrote:
IF half of them even make it to adulthood w/out already being in jail. ya know!!
criminals and killers seem to be a lot younger these days then when I was 10 yrs old.
when I was a teenager, I rarely ever saw a baby murdered by their family...compared to now, it was even rare to hear of missing ppl.
It truely is a pity....and with all the extra resources and things they have now, seems these kids could find something better to do.
Abortion cheapend life in the eyes of many.A disabled child is 20 times more likely to be abused.As a people were not much nowdays is it drugs, daycare raising our kids,God taken out of schools and lots of other places... donno but we are a lost socioty.

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