Clancy, Vacaville police at odds

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One day after a veteran Vacaville city councilmember publicly stated that police used excessive force during the recent arrest of an inebriated woman, the Police Department released the officer's report regarding the incident. Full Story
Seriously

United States

#168 Apr 16, 2010
W T F wrote:
Vacaville Police Department are full of F-in P*s*zies.
Vacaville PD has never earned one dime of their pay for the general fund.
The residents will never forget how Vacaville department covered up the incident where police officers kicked a pregnant woman in the stomach and killed her baby. I am a neighbor of this family that suffered this muderous harm created by Vacaville PD.
Vacaville PD must be downsized. Because Vacaville PD is out of line and has been for too long!!!
Our neighborhoods in Vacaville should not allow such police creeps from intruding in our civil rights and civil liberties.
If Vacaville police officer want to kill and mame go to Iraq and kill and harm people there, but not in our neighborhoods of Vacaville!!!
I vote eliminate more police officers. Save more money for real things that matter, rather than Vacaville PD's paychecks!!!
Join the Vacaville Police Department haters club today and picket the street today!!!
Maybe Pauline Clancy can be your club president...and once you gather your members you should send a list of names to the PD so they know it's okay to ignore any calls for help from these individuals and their families. THAT would save the city more money then they are looking for with all of the layoffs citywide...since it's most likely people 'like you' who aren't able to control your kids, can't handle your personal $hi# with your spouse, and end up calling 911 for petty BS, wasting the tax payer's money. Picket the streets so we can all see the true faces of stupidity and ignorance!!!
Tex

United States

#169 Apr 16, 2010
Recall Pauline wrote:
The poor little girl weighs 190 lbs. And if Pauline wants transpancy maybe someone should ask her why she has refused to speak with Chief Word during the entire time he has been here in Vacaville. Could it be she doesn't like the color of his skin?
Can this be true? Confirmed?
long time in Vaca

United States

#170 Apr 16, 2010
Solitary Confinement wrote:
The Mayor ought to make a public apology for Clancy's insane remarks. She will never apologize because it's not her way. Has Pauline Clancy EVER done anything good as a Council member? Remind me, please, if she has.
Historically, Clancey has been a great supporter of the police department and its individual employees. One of the best on the council. On employee and pay & benefit issues. Some bad blood has happened. Perhaps she feels the employees aren't backing her in this financial crisis enough? She's was definitely out of line on this one though! I needs the facts on the labor issues....What is an officer making these days? Top step, regular officer with avg education? What are the comparables in the area. Why doesn't the media do some investigation for a change instead of just reporting the controversy (sp?)
wise

Vilonia, AR

#171 Apr 16, 2010
so many police haters on this thread. idea! if one of you cop haters get into a situation where you really need help, ask the police dispatcher to send the most likeable marvin milk toast officer on the force. specifiy that you don't want an officer who may not take any b.s. and get the job done. or post a sign saying instead of no solicitors, no cops welcome by your front door. all i see are a bunch of mental midgets here.
Ben

Fairfield, CA

#172 Apr 16, 2010
long time in Vaca wrote:
<quoted text>
Historically, Clancey has been a great supporter of the police department and its individual employees. One of the best on the council. On employee and pay & benefit issues. Some bad blood has happened. Perhaps she feels the employees aren't backing her in this financial crisis enough? She's was definitely out of line on this one though! I needs the facts on the labor issues....What is an officer making these days? Top step, regular officer with avg education? What are the comparables in the area. Why doesn't the media do some investigation for a change instead of just reporting the controversy (sp?)
top step...between $150,000 -$175,000 a year, some more. According to the numbers, if you include benefits it over $200,000 a year. If you listen to the meeting, some of them are making $40,000 -$50,000 a year in overtime. They get to retire at 50 with 3% x their years of service (so if an officer work 30 years he'll get 90% of his salary in retirement), they also get lifetime medical. According to a woman that spoke at the meeting, that's more than a doctor. I went to the City's website, the information is all there.
Right is Wrong Again

Sacramento, CA

#174 Apr 16, 2010
long time in Vaca wrote:
<quoted text>
Historically, Clancey has been a great supporter of the police department and its individual employees. One of the best on the council. On employee and pay & benefit issues. Some bad blood has happened. Perhaps she feels the employees aren't backing her in this financial crisis enough? She's was definitely out of line on this one though! I needs the facts on the labor issues....What is an officer making these days? Top step, regular officer with avg education? What are the comparables in the area. Why doesn't the media do some investigation for a change instead of just reporting the controversy (sp?)
The Reporter publishes an extensive report on salaries of hundreds of city, county, state, federal, special district, and other employees each year. It's very illuminating to say the least, and more than once a freedom of information request has had to be filed to get the info. They do a very good job.
Pothead

Las Vegas, NV

#176 Apr 16, 2010
wise wrote:
<quoted text>a veteran cop is one who has been shot at, divorced and sued.
Wiseman - I got shot at a couple of times and run over with a truck, never married so never divorced, never sued, but threatened with it a bunch of times. Am I still a veteran cop?
2 under age drinkers

Oakland, CA

#177 Apr 16, 2010
Thats what you're forming your opinion of? Clancy you're an idiot and should step down!
Recall Pauline

San Jose, CA

#178 Apr 16, 2010
From the information the reporter published in feb. An officer with about 20 years service makes 90,000 in salary about 15,000 in extra pay ( for not getting holidays off, having a degree, being bilingual, and for working in certain specialties) the officers avraged about 8-10,000 in overtime ( if they worked extra hours) and the city spends about 30,000 per year on benefits. So if you do the math the officer sees ( before taxes and deductions for medical benefits, retirement costs, etc ) about 105,000 before deductions and any overtime they work. So the costto the taxpayer for the average senior officer is less than 150,000 including benefits and overtime. The officers are now paying for part of their retirement costs and medical and dental benefits out of this figure. Doesn't seem excessive to put up with all the cra# they get.
Vaca taxpayer

San Francisco, CA

#179 Apr 16, 2010
"I have a problem with the vacaville police dept. Excessive force and Harrassment
They used excessive force with me also in july 2008. I filed a complaint but it just got put under the rug like all the rest. they said I was resisting but how can you resist if your not under arrest. the vv police slammed me against the hood of my explorer and then slammed to the ground. I'm 100lb woman and I had 3 officers on me all 3 were about 200 to 250lbs. The VV Police inpounded my explorer and took me to jail. I Fought the charges for 1 1/2 years and finally they dismissed the charges. Waste of time and money"

Kinji if your anything like your criminal sons, then you probably deserved it. And yes, i know someone that has been a victim of one of your sons deeds.
Seriously

United States

#180 Apr 16, 2010
long time in Vaca wrote:
<quoted text>
Historically, Clancey has been a great supporter of the police department and its individual employees. One of the best on the council. On employee and pay & benefit issues. Some bad blood has happened. Perhaps she feels the employees aren't backing her in this financial crisis enough? She's was definitely out of line on this one though! I needs the facts on the labor issues....What is an officer making these days? Top step, regular officer with avg education? What are the comparables in the area. Why doesn't the media do some investigation for a change instead of just reporting the controversy (sp?)
Yes, this information is made public so you can find the answers to your questions with a little effort. Too bad all of our salaries aren't posted somewhere so we can justify being a$$holes to other people because we feel they make too much or be extra nice when we see that they only make $10/hour. Numbers don't mean anything unless you have something to compare it to...like the median income of police officers in California or similarly populated cities. But just to say someone who makes $100k+ a year makes too much as a blanket statement is ridiculous.

Either way, regardless of what you personally think a person should make doing his or her job, NO ONE should be able to slander you or make a libel statement in public without repercussions. Being at odds over a contract doesn't give anyone the right to condemn a man before the facts are checked. And having your feelings hurt because you thought you were in good with a group of people when you aren't anymore doesn't mean that you allow your personal feelings interfere with representing the city and it's residents. This has become personal for a few of the council members...it isn't about doing the right thing, it's about bad mouthing a group of people, turning the public against them, and FORCING them to do what they want.
ava

Fairfield, CA

#181 Apr 16, 2010
Clubber Lang wrote:
Sorry, this handcuffed female was "body-slammed" and I have a difficult time believing that a trained Police Officer could not control her. "Controlled Drop" sounds like some creative report writing verbiage for "upset officer teaching verbally abusive female a lesson".
controlled drop is a tactic taught in the police academy and in continued training within law enforcement agencies, and is a completely acceptable means of dealing with a drunk, beligerant, uncooperative person. Just because a person is handcuffed don't assume that they cannot continue to be combative. You, like Perilous Pauline, have come to an erroneous conclusion. I agree with many others here, she was underage, drunk, and out of control. And if I was her parent the last thing she would have to worry about is a little bump on the side of her face.
Letters Folks

San Francisco, CA

#182 Apr 16, 2010
Hey everyone, we can all complain here or if you think Clancy is off base please write Mayor Augustine a letter laugustine@cityofvacaville.com and tell him so. I'd say write Clancy herself but she doesn't appear to be bold enough to list her email.

As a parent I'd be furious if my kid was first drinking underage or of age at an elementary school especially at 1am, second if she mouthed off to cops we'd have serious issues and if her mouth got her searched too bad, if there was something foul the department would address it one way or the other.

This is a political ploy because the City Council screwed our city over on a deal to keep us all safe, so to take the focus off the fact that VPOA has made an offer that could save not just officers jobs but city employees jobs, they are thrusting this into the public's eyes.

When I was upset with an officer and filed a complaint I didn't see it in the newspapers, I'm telling you this is just the same tactics all government uses to keep the pressure and focus off the real issue of keeping our community safe.

Our cops can be SOB's but you know what, I feel safe in my community!
safety

Vacaville, CA

#183 Apr 16, 2010
it bothers me to see this attack conerning police abuse...does anyone know that the two officer who were laid off were outstanding officers...one of which was nominated for officer of the year and the other NEVER recieved a citizens complaint?! these officers were the future of the VVPD...GOOD, HONEST, HARD WORKING officers...and the city just cut them loose...WTF? the PD does not want to loose these officers and are trying to fight the city to keep them. they are tyrihg to keep cops on the street...the PD is trying to fight for the safety and future of our city (the city government, the PD, and the citizens)...when i heard officers were being laid off i thought 'There goes our future, next stop fairfield'...some of you complain about the officers you have encountered...but think about it...does anyone ever call a cop just to have a positive converstaion?
mark

Fairfield, CA

#185 Apr 16, 2010
What about the other City employees that have been laid off? Are you concerned about them?
Seriously

Berkeley, CA

#186 Apr 16, 2010
mark wrote:
What about the other City employees that have been laid off? Are you concerned about them?
I think everyone is concerned about all Americans who have suffered layoffs...even the ones who don't work for the city or state...layoffs effect everyone.
Impeach PC

Miami, FL

#187 Apr 16, 2010
Recall Pauline wrote:
The poor little girl weighs 190 lbs. And if Pauline wants transpancy maybe someone should ask her why she has refused to speak with Chief Word during the entire time he has been here in Vacaville. Could it be she doesn't like the color of his skin?
Ah yes...let's bring this issue into light since it should all be brought out into the public according to Pauline. Pauline's good will towards the police department started to shift just about when Chief Word was hired, despite her objections. Overheard by more than one, she did not want a "black man" running HER police department.
Mike

Santa Cruz, CA

#188 Apr 16, 2010
WOW! This topic brings about as much posts as do those concerning gay rights.

Am I to guess that the Vacaville City Council isn't well thought of around here?

Looks like regime change might be appropriate for 650 Merchant Avenue over the next few election cycles.

How about a city council with a realistic view of Vacaville as a great working class community and NOT as a world class tourist destination?(Mayor Len, this is particularly pointed at you.)
Otrta

Sacramento, CA

#189 Apr 16, 2010
mark wrote:
What about the other City employees that have been laid off? Are you concerned about them?
Just how many have been laid off?
Solitary Confinement

Oakland, CA

#190 Apr 16, 2010
Mike wrote:
WOW! This topic brings about as much posts as do those concerning gay rights.
Am I to guess that the Vacaville City Council isn't well thought of around here?
Looks like regime change might be appropriate for 650 Merchant Avenue over the next few election cycles.
How about a city council with a realistic view of Vacaville as a great working class community and NOT as a world class tourist destination?(Mayor Len, this is particularly pointed at you.)
I seriously doubt if the Mayor has even looked at the Web News on this story. What you don't know can't hurt you, right?

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