Will Planned Parenthood lose federal ...

Will Planned Parenthood lose federal money?

There are 44 comments on the Utica Daily News story from Apr 6, 2011, titled Will Planned Parenthood lose federal money?. In it, Utica Daily News reports that:

As federal politicians try to reach an agreement on exactly what the government should pay for, one of the points of contention includes whether or not the government will cease federal funds being sent to Planned Parenthood.

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No Free Rides

Long Eddy, NY

#22 Apr 8, 2011
Oregon Is Disgusting wrote:
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God, another right wing pervert. This is what you spend your time thinking about, the private sex lives of strangers.
What has made you this sick in the head. Get out of other people's lives you self-righteous weirdo.
But it's okay for you left wing know-nothings to not only think about other people's sex lives, but pay for their sexual consequences. Maybe you effin liberals should start taking responsibility for you own actions by not paying people to have sex and living off the government.
Bob

Rome, NY

#23 Apr 8, 2011
Enough is Enough wrote:
There is no reason for the government to be paying for either abortions or for birth control pills for teens (or anyone, for that matter). Maybe parents should start taking responsibility for their kids by teaching them about the consequences of pre-marital sex.
And if they DON'T??? Then what?? Throw the babies in the trash??? You're not being realistic.
These Days

Lewiston, ME

#24 Apr 8, 2011
It's hard to get a job these day so it's hard to pay for insurance that will cover a good doctor for these types of situations. Medicaid actually tells their patients to contact Planned Parenthood and set up an appointment to check for STDs and get on a regular papsmear schedule. Medicaid makes it mandatory for all females over 18 to have these check ups and Planned Parenthood actually provides them. You don't have to just be a teenage girl who might be pregnant to use these services. The economy is tough on every one and PP is just helping people keep their lives in order.

PP is also good for teen girls who do not feel right about asking their parents about seeing a doctor for birth control. Try being a teenager these days. You are a prude if you don't put out and a 'whore' for trying to protect yourself the only way you know how with PP.
Oregon Is Disgusting

Portland, OR

#26 Apr 8, 2011
No Free Rides wrote:
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But it's okay for you left wing know-nothings to not only think about other people's sex lives, but pay for their sexual consequences. Maybe you effin liberals should start taking responsibility for you own actions by not paying people to have sex and living off the government.
I don't think about the sex live of strangers. I am not a pervert like you and your slimy TeaParasite/Republiscum ilk.

I think about the RIGHTS of human beings something that you slaves in a free country cannot even comprehend. You are nothing but a THUG.

Wal Mart is the largest single user of social services in the USA you THUG. Get Wal Mart off the government teat.
myexperience

Rome, NY

#27 Apr 8, 2011
These Days wrote:
It's hard to get a job these day so it's hard to pay for insurance that will cover a good doctor for these types of situations. Medicaid actually tells their patients to contact Planned Parenthood and set up an appointment to check for STDs and get on a regular papsmear schedule. Medicaid makes it mandatory for all females over 18 to have these check ups and Planned Parenthood actually provides them. You don't have to just be a teenage girl who might be pregnant to use these services. The economy is tough on every one and PP is just helping people keep their lives in order.

PP is also good for teen girls who do not feel right about asking their parents about seeing a doctor for birth control. Try being a teenager these days. You are a prude if you don't put out and a 'whore' for trying to protect yourself the only way you know how with PP.
A few years ago when I was 20, I attempted to use planned parenthood services to get tested for HIV/stds. I was refused services and told that this is a "teen clinic." So I left there and went to to the oneida county health building and got tested there.

According to the statistics HIV and other STDs are on the rise among teens and young adults. If the planned parenthood program was working, wouldn't you think that the cases of teens with std's would be declining?

Strong parents, community support groups, with sexual education is the best way to prevent std's and unwanted pregnancy. I don't believe planned parenthood is proactive, rather it's reactive and it is just another failing government program.
Admiral Snackbar

Lewiston, ME

#28 Apr 8, 2011
SNACKBAR would like to point out that rates of most STDs actually appear to be on the decline when the vastly increased percentage of people who choose to get screened is taken into account.

SNACKBAR would like to submit the CDC's study on STD trends as evidence: http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats09/trends.htm

SNACKBAR would like to point out that the highest rates of STDs are among minority communities, particularly among young black men and women, suggesting that STD rates increase in areas with lower incomes and less access to proper medical care.

SNACKBAR believes that this data suggests that Planned Parenthood actually is doing a useful job, particularly as concerns the increasing willingness of people to be responsible for their health and get tested.
Pay Now or Pay Later

New York, NY

#30 Apr 9, 2011
It's cheaper to buy them condoms and birth control pills rather than having to raise another generation of welfare scum where we'll be paying for food, housing, medical costs, clothing, etc etc etc. Wake up morons!
Bob

Rome, NY

#31 Apr 9, 2011
Pay Now or Pay Later wrote:
It's cheaper to buy them condoms and birth control pills rather than having to raise another generation of welfare scum where we'll be paying for food, housing, medical costs, clothing, etc etc etc. Wake up morons!
That's what I'm saying. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". AND it's cheaper, too!!
Enough is Enough

Long Eddy, NY

#32 Apr 9, 2011
Bob wrote:
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And if they DON'T??? Then what?? Throw the babies in the trash??? You're not being realistic.
Maybe you should read the WHOLE post, idiot. I wrote that if the darling little sluts get pregnant, then put the baby up for adoption. There are plently of couple around who would love to adopt a child and give it love and security. It is not the Government's responsibility to support whores, even though the liberals think it is.
america is tanking

Herkimer, NY

#33 Apr 9, 2011
i'd rather fork over tax dollars to rid of it (what @ 900)than to support it on welfare..
Yankee

Brooklyn, NY

#34 Apr 9, 2011
Enough is Enough wrote:
There is no reason for the government to be paying for either abortions or for birth control pills for teens (or anyone, for that matter). Maybe parents should start taking responsibility for their kids by teaching them about the consequences of pre-marital sex. If their daughters decide they want to spread their legs for every Tom, Dick and Harry, then let the parent provide them with birth control pills. And, if 'darling little Suzie' gets pregnant, do the right thing and put the baby up for adoption. Abortions are murder and need to be outlawed.
Wow. Taking responsibility for one's actions...what a novel concept! But, no. It wouldn't be popular in Obama's Amerika.
10th Grade Girl

Portland, OR

#35 Apr 9, 2011
Enough is Enough wrote:
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Maybe you should read the WHOLE post, idiot. I wrote that if the darling little sluts get pregnant, then put the baby up for adoption. There are plently of couple around who would love to adopt a child and give it love and security. It is not the Government's responsibility to support whores, even though the liberals think it is.
Yeah, but it takes nine months to grow one of them little buggers. It means I can't get drunk, smoke weed, have lots of sex, and wear my slutty clothes. That is just asking way too much from me. I'll just go to PP and get the flotsum jettisoned.
Bob

El Sobrante, CA

#36 Apr 11, 2011
Bob wrote:
Roark, but the gov't (i.e. you, the taxpayer) WILL be paying for those children born to women very poor or very young without means. Wouldn't you rather see the pregnancies prevented in the first place???
If it's money you're worried about (and it seems to be in your case), prevention is a hell of a lot cheaper than consequence.
So you kill them?!
Brendon

El Sobrante, CA

#37 Apr 11, 2011
america is tanking wrote:
i'd rather fork over tax dollars to rid of it (what @ 900)than to support it on welfare..
Good idea! Lets take it a little further and just kill everyone on welfare!
Page 1

Rome, NY

#38 Apr 12, 2011
From http://www.prisonplanet.com/abortion-is-killi...

By Tony Cartilucci

(Photo of fetus) This is a human being. It has a quantifiable human genetic code and independent, self-perpetuating cellular metabolic activity that will continue from the moment of conception to 80 years of age watching their grandchildren play on their front lawn. Science says so.

The budget debate that has been fought recently on Capital Hill is entirely the result of criminal corporate-financier oligarchs plundering the wealth of the United States as well as much of Europe for nearly a century. In an effort to avoid this reality and any attempt to rectify it, everything from the continual funding of our numerous illegal wars to the suspension of the social safety net was discussed instead. However, no topic gets people more distracted and infighting than abortion and the repackaged eugenicist agenda known as “Planned Parenthood.”

With the “shutdown” averted, and at the risk of playing into this ploy, this article will attempt to explain why abortion is a non-issue and there is no debate.

Abortion is not a Moral Issue

Abortion is not a religious issue and it is not a moral issue. It is not a social issue, it is not a personal, or an ethical issue. It is entirely a matter of science – human biology in particular – and no amount of denial or cognitive dissonance, justification or moral arguments can help one escape from the implications of examining abortion from a scientific point of view.

Abortion is an intentionally divisive issue, used to cleave society in half rendering perpetual, circular debate. Considering the finality that biology lends to the debate, it becomes quite clear then, why biology is rarely brought up in any “pro-life/pro-choice” argument. It is yet another false paradigm where two inadequate arguments are intentionally perpetuated by the corporate-owned globalist media on both sides, ensuring a real solution or consensus is never reached. Abortion then becomes a useful tool to derail or distract in nearly any political debate, even one involving unprecedented global larceny and the collapse of the West.
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Rome, NY

#39 Apr 12, 2011
Biology 101

At the moment of conception there is a quantifiable, unique human genetic code present along with independent, perpetuating cellular metabolic activity. Both can be examined and measured, both are indisputable conditions resulting from conception. This human genetic code, and the cellular activity that it directs continues in a linear, uninterrupted process from conception, to birth, through childhood, into adulthood and onto natural death from old age. The genetic code and cellular activity that exists at conception will continue to exist until that individual is 80 years old watching their grandchildren play on their front lawn.

There is no observable, quantifiable point, no “magic moment” between conception and birth where one “becomes human” or “begins life” beyond the most superficial, contrived measurements. Attempts such as noting the development of the nervous system are entirely arbitrary with proponents of such superficial measures unable to explain scientifically or quantify what this “mass of tissue” is before such measurements deem one human. Generally these arguments are peddled by those either entirely ignorant of human biology, or by those intentionally preying on those with an inadequate understanding of human biology.

Viability: Another popular metric used to determine one’s “human-ness” is viability. Again, this is entirely arbitrary and superficial. A new born is no more viable than they were at the moment of conception – entirely dependent on others for the delivery of nutrients to their body and protection from the surrounding environment. Additionally, technology negates the vulnerability of not only babies who are born prematurely at increasingly earlier terms, but the ability for a conceived human to be transplanted from one uterus to another. Inevitably, technology will make it possible to raise a human from conception to infancy entirely in vitro.

“It’s Your Body”: No doctor or scientist could agree with this sophomoric statement. Every single part of “your body” contains your DNA. This is why DNA testing is used to determine the identity of victims of fatal circumstances who have been reduced beyond superficial recognition. At the moment of conception however, an entirely unique human genetic code is present. It is in no shape, form, or way a part of the mother’s body, it is simply residing within it. In fact, evolution necessarily developed mechanisms to protect the developing child from the maternal immune system. Without such a mechanism, the maternal immune system would identify the child as a foreign body and attack it – because it is a foreign body.

Terminating a pregnancy is not removing unwanted features of “your body,” but removing the developing body of another human being. Abortion is literally killing a genetically unique, living human being.
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Rome, NY

#40 Apr 12, 2011
Humanity Reduced to Ignorant Superficiality: Often cited as the number one reason why abortion and fetal stem cell research is not killing human life is,“it’s just a clump of cells.” Such an ignorant statement is made not because those who say it understand the seven conditions that describe life or have examined genetically this “clump” but merely because it superficially doesn’t resemble what they intuitively consider life.

This is analogous to arguments based on similar “intuitive observations” that the earth was flat or that universe was geocentric. Just as the earth appears flat when standing on it, despite being spherical in reality, so too does a human zygote appear but a “clump of cells” when in reality it is a living human being. To those at the mercy of their intuitive, ignorant understanding of the world, if it doesn’t have two hands, two eyes, and look familiar, it “must not be human life.” This is the result of an undeveloped, ignorant mind incapable of grasping or visualizing anything beyond the most simplistic concepts. We are still struggling to move past racism based on the same sort of elementary superficial prejudice and so it is no surprise that the basic idea of humanity itself has been reduced to such ignorant superficiality.

Conclusion

One may attempt to argue ethically or morally that killing a human life in utero has beneficial social implications, but one cannot argue they are not killing a human life. At the end of the day, the “pro-choice” argument is just as irrational, superficial, arbitrary, and baseless as they claim religiously motivated “pro-life” arguments are. In the case of abortion, science sides with the religiously motivated, even if they themselves don’t realize it or are unable to wrap their minds around this convenient fact. Capitalizing on the science behind abortion not only ends this non-debate, it forces both “pro-choicers” to defend their arbitrary belief system against hard science, while it gives rational grounding to the beliefs of many in the “pro-life” camp.

Science, as it turns out, has a tendency to side with the more universally common aspects of most religions, because religion itself is based on recorded observations of human sociology, even human sociobiology, over thousands of years. As a social species, we have developed sociobiological tendencies that are conducive to cooperation, empathy, and social harmony. It was the key to our success as a species just as sociobiological tendencies have been the key to the success of wolves, lions, apes, and other social species. This is what has become our “morality,” and again, giving it a scientific context eliminates the circular discussions and the rampant nihilism that is consuming and impeding our success as a species today.

The wanton dehumanization of our unborn is not conducive to cooperation, empathy, or social harmony. It invites irrational justifications to commit harm to our own species, specifically to members of our species we deem as “undesirable.” This slippery slope has been fallen down before, and one should need not be reminded the final results.

While surely an unexpectant mother is inconvenienced, her social viability itself potentially put at jeopardy, with her ability to properly raise the child even if she wanted to in question, justifying the killing of human beings, through a campaign of superficial, unscientific dehumanization is not the answer. If there are trillions to give to degenerate, speculating bankers, and trillions more to feed corporate wars, then there is also money to develop the technology to take unwanted children off the hands of those who don’t want them, and into the hands of those that will raise them – giving them, as we have been given, a chance to learn, explore, and experience the trials of life for all its ups and downs. Surely of all the inalienable human rights we supposedly have, this is the most basic.
Meg

Lowville, NY

#42 Apr 12, 2011
Enough is Enough wrote:
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Maybe you should read the WHOLE post, idiot. I wrote that if the darling little sluts get pregnant, then put the baby up for adoption. There are plently of couple around who would love to adopt a child and give it love and security. It is not the Government's responsibility to support whores, even though the liberals think it is.
There are a lot of couples who want to adopt a white baby. I am not racist but let's be honest. There are a few people that meet the criteria that would adopt a black baby. They would rather adopt a child from China or Europe. It is sad but true.
Shawn

Lowville, NY

#43 Apr 12, 2011
Bob wrote:
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So you kill them?!
They said PREVENT them. That means stop pregnancy BEFORE it happens. Condoms, I.U.D., pill, ect... There is nothing wrong with that or even the morning after pill. With the morning after pill it the egg might not even be fertilized yet. If it was it hasn't even implanted it. Not heart beating there. To get back to the main point prevention is the best. Not to KILL them later.
yea

Rome, NY

#44 Apr 12, 2011
Shawn wrote:
<quoted text>They said PREVENT them. That means stop pregnancy BEFORE it happens. Condoms, I.U.D., pill, ect... There is nothing wrong with that or even the morning after pill. With the morning after pill it the egg might not even be fertilized yet. If it was it hasn't even implanted it. Not heart beating there. To get back to the main point prevention is the best. Not to KILL them later.
I agree...once a babies heart is beating it's living, an abortion at that point is simply murder.

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