Can Utica Handle 9 Dollars An Hour?

[Utica Spin Doctor]

Let's be honest here for a moment... with all that spending does he really think more government control is the right answer? I'm sure everyone in Utica fell out of their seats when minimum wage might be increased.

Government spending won't fix government mistakes.

Great recap of the speech here: http://bit.ly/XKc2uM

[John]

Utica can't afford anything, no business here anyways.

[itsmejd]

$9 is too high for an unskilled job.

[Utica Money]

I'd like to see where all this money would come from...

[jdmdusa]

the money would be from the consmer. Prices would rise and probably hours of operation would decrease. If a fast food restaurant is open 24 hours it would change to 1030am to 7pm. No more 24 hour grocery stores.

[Pope Paulie]

More money in people's pockets means more spending and a boost to the sagging economy. Sounds like a plan to me.

[Mustard]

jdmdusa wrote:

the money would be from the consmer. Prices would rise and probably hours of operation would decrease. If a fast food restaurant is open 24 hours it would change to 1030am to 7pm. No more 24 hour grocery stores.

Baloney, too many small business owners pay employees under the table. If they paid them honestly and legally, then they wouldn't be contributing to the economic problem!! Don't use this as an excuse when you're breaking the law already!!

[Mustard]

Utica Money wrote:

I'd like to see where all this money would come from...

Baloney, how many waitresses and bartenders pay taxes all all of their tips? NONE!!

[Well Well Well]

Mustard wrote:

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Baloney, how many waitresses and bartenders pay taxes all all of their tips? NONE!!

If you think that is a significant amount, you are clueless.

[Mustard]

Well Well Well wrote:

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If you think that is a significant amount, you are clueless.

Baloney, I do know how much is it, clearly you don't or you were just a poor server who didn't get tipped much. Tips is where they make their $$$s.

[I see dum people]

If we ended foreign subsidies and supported domestic business then employers would be able to pay a higher wage. But, you need to give tax incentives to domestic business instead of taxing people to pay for the support. Tax foreign companies and domestic companies that employ overseas if you must tax someone. Japan has been doing this since its reconstruction and it has a booming economy.

[hank hill]

I see dum people wrote:

If we ended foreign subsidies and supported domestic business then employers would be able to pay a higher wage. But, you need to give tax incentives to domestic business instead of taxing people to pay for the support. Tax foreign companies and domestic companies that employ overseas if you must tax someone. Japan has been doing this since its reconstruction and it has a booming economy.

don't you know sense and logic have no place on this forum? lol...

[Pear]

jdmdusa wrote:

the money would be from the consmer. Prices would rise and probably hours of operation would decrease. If a fast food restaurant is open 24 hours it would change to 1030am to 7pm. No more 24 hour grocery stores.

Lol if you actually think this. That has been the argument since minimum wage was $2. Guess what? Consumers added purchasing power meant higher revenues for the retailers.

[Well Well Well]

Mustard wrote:

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Baloney, I do know how much is it, clearly you don't or you were just a poor server who didn't get tipped much. Tips is where they make their $$$s.

Okay, liar. Post your imaginary amount that the IRS and the State does not collect from waitresses and servers.

[I see dum people]

The more people make the more people spend. That is a fact. Conversely, the more people make the further they are from receiving public assistance. Good for the public but bad for the assisted. Most Federally funded social services require recipients to be at or below 150% of the federal poverty limit. That is currently $34,575.00 for a family of 4. Lets do some math. Divide that by 52.= 664.91/wk. divide by 40.= 16.63/hr. More than twice minimum wage. Therefore will will be allowing folks to make more money while still being able to receive benefits. By federal definition a $9.00 min wage is still not a living wage unless two or more members of that same family work full time. This solves nothing.

No family you say, ok, lets look at this from a single adults perspective. 150% of FPL is $16,755.00. 16755/52= 322.22/wk /40= 8.06/hr. in this case a 9.00 min wage would put this person above 150% of fpl and not be eligible for any services. Fair market value rent for a 1 bedroom apt in Oneida Co. is 471.00/ or 5,652.00 annual. That leaves approximately 11,000 left over for food, car, bills, ect or 925.25 per month to cover all other expenses. If your housing was paid for could you make it on $231.32 a week or 33.05 a day. as a single person living in OC? Why would you when you just choose not to work and have everything paid for?

[I see dum people]

Mustard wrote:

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Baloney, I do know how much is it, clearly you don't or you were just a poor server who didn't get tipped much. Tips is where they make their $$$s.

Well is referring to the amount of taxes coming from tips. Not the tips themselves. You could safely assume that tips would total 15-20% of a restaurants gross sales. if they gross 200,000.00 that is 30-40,000.00 a year for the entire wait staff of the restaurant. That is a federal tax bracket of about 22.5%. That is $6750.00-9000.00 per restaurant. That is a very significant number of tax dollars not being collected.

[mustard]

a good waitress or bartender in your better places brings home $100-200, upscale places more, per day in tips that no taxes are collected on. Multiply that by the number of servers x number of establishments nationwide and
that's tons of $$ not being collected in taxes..

How about you pay them $9.00 per hour stop tipping completely and everyone wins. Oh no, not the a**hole paying them under the table!! Love how a bartender pours a beer or glass of wine and collects a $1.00 each time!! It's a racket!

[I see dum people]

mustard wrote:

a good waitress or bartender in your better places brings home $100-200, upscale places more, per day in tips that no taxes are collected on. Multiply that by the number of servers x number of establishments nationwide and
that's tons of $$ not being collected in taxes..
How about you pay them $9.00 per hour stop tipping completely and everyone wins. Oh no, not the a**hole paying them under the table!! Love how a bartender pours a beer or glass of wine and collects a $1.00 each time!! It's a racket!

Oh, I didn't realize that it is all bartenders buying cabins on 4th lake. Better/ upscale places only count for the minority of establishment and they usually hire career waitstaff who are paid very well. Also, most of your chain restaurants do pay the bartender at minimum wage. The POS systems they use automatically assume a 10% tip based on gross sales and record that for tax withholdings. As for the mom and pop places, they are a cash business, what can you do? If every niz slinging rock reported his income we could tax the sht out of him too but it doesn't work that way. We don't question the way people spend money, just the way the make it. Assume for a second the government expected each american to account for every dollar spent and compared it to every dollar earned.Imagine they required you to have perfectly balanced budget. That would be the only way to detect hidden cash incomes. But it would never work so we must rely on the honesty system. Gratuity is just a fact of life in our culture. So much so that many establishments include a minimum mandatory gratuity included in your check. This is for cheapos who neglect to realize that dining out is a luxury. Think about it. Someone is literally serving you based on a request you made. If you are so affluent that you can pay someone to serve you then why do you have a care in this matter in the first place.