Helicopter Ambulance NOT worth it
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LOL

Ithaca, NY

#24 Jul 25, 2013
Stats guy wrote:
Love the stats provided --- but no source. Anyone - any group (including HEMS) can create stats in their favor. The ONLY advantage of HEMS would be a time factor -- unless you want to 'try' to tell me that the local ambulances don't have qualified people.
For STATS, I would like to see the 'LOCAL' length of time it takes for a driven vehicle (already on scene since they are normally dispatched when 911 is notified)to get to the closest hospital vs. the wait time for the HEMS to be dispatched, patient loaded and then arrival to the closest hospital. If the doctors at the closest hospital warrants an HEMS transport to a regional/larger hospital, then go with it!
When a local ambulance is on scene and then the give the "patient" to the HEMS 'just' because they "had arrived" is crazy. Not all, but too many situations occur when the HEMS delivers and charges the "patient" unnecessary fees for the unnecessary ride when the driven ambulance would have sufficed.
When you have to dish out the cash -- as too many have -- for unnecessary HEMS, then your opinions are valued.
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The stats were provided by Departments of Trauma Surgery, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands. But I guess they have an agenda, right?

Do ground ambulances have qualified people? Yes. But air ambulances have people with MORE experience and training. Not to mention equipment, protocols and medications that ground ambulances will never have.
Sound off

Utica, NY

#25 Jul 26, 2013
I wish your statement was true. According to conversations with EMT, direct contact with MD does NOT always occur. Better have facts and paperwork to back that one up when the law suits start to fly.
Devils Advocate wrote:
There are criteria that MUST be met in order for one to call for heli transport. The federal government, state government and health dept oversee the functions of all emergency medical services/operations to ensure protocols are observed in order to maximize or minimize services based on the most recent statistics dictating necessity. In all instances heli transport is put on standby until an advanced level care provider in direct contact with an MD in an emergency dept determine whether or not heli transport is appropriate/necessary. Learn the facts before you mouth off, you obviously dont have any clue of the logistics determining heli transport. In stating nonsense you have made yourself look like an uneducated loud mouth.
Qualifications

Utica, NY

#26 Jul 26, 2013
Wow! heli's staff (say they) have MORE experience and training! Damn, send me the heli! No wonder they charge more than the UFD crew!
LOL wrote:
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The stats were provided by Departments of Trauma Surgery, VU University Medical Center, Amsterdam, The Netherlands. But I guess they have an agenda, right?
Do ground ambulances have qualified people? Yes. But air ambulances have people with MORE experience and training. Not to mention equipment, protocols and medications that ground ambulances will never have.
Leo Gorcey

Tully, NY

#27 Jul 26, 2013
Before UFD gets a heli service we need 6 brand new fire houses built and about 25-30 new positions to staff an already undermanned dept. Also, the New Hartford FD needs to merge with the UFD, forming a metro unit with Chief Brooks commanding. Of course this added duty would be a 25% pay increasee for Russ Brooks.
Lol

Schenectady, NY

#28 Jul 26, 2013
Qualifications wrote:
Wow! heli's staff (say they) have MORE experience and training! Damn, send me the heli! No wonder they charge more than the UFD crew!
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Let me guess, you're the sort of person who buys the cheapest steak and goes to the cheapest doctor, too huh?

If you or your family are sick or injured, lets see if you value quality or cost
NOTAM

United States

#29 Jul 26, 2013
Lol wrote:
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Let me guess, you're the sort of person who buys the cheapest steak and goes to the cheapest doctor, too huh?
If you or your family are sick or injured, lets see if you value quality or cost
"Quality" and UFD hardly go hand in hand save it. Typical simpleton reply to a valid point. You act like it would be fine then if the trip in a utica ambulance with "quality" uticans cost people $50,000 then.

This is why utica and uticans never made it. They cling to idiocy and defend it with arguments only the next retarded utican loser can believe. OMG it's hopeless for you people.

Funny because I just don't see any Bell 429s being sold to any "first responders" in Oneida county for lack of the $4.2M pricetag and certs but you'll see one we ferry over your heads!
Lol

Albany, NY

#31 Jul 26, 2013
NOTAM wrote:
<quoted text>"Quality" and UFD hardly go hand in hand save it. Typical simpleton reply to a valid point. You act like it would be fine then if the trip in a utica ambulance with "quality" uticans cost people $50,000 then.
This is why utica and uticans never made it. They cling to idiocy and defend it with arguments only the next retarded utican loser can believe. OMG it's hopeless for you people.
Funny because I just don't see any Bell 429s

being sold to any "first responders" in Oneida county for lack of the $4.2M pricetag and certs but you'll see one we ferry over your heads!
Are you even trying to make a point anymore?
Psych

Culpeper, VA

#32 Jul 26, 2013
With all of Utica’s precarious shooting & stabbings a chopper should have been in order YEARS ago.
Leo Gorcey

New Hartford, NY

#33 Jul 27, 2013
After what happened to the cops on Churchill Ave this week, lets see what happens in a thug shooting(s) scene where wounded need transport to a hospital. As the chopper comes in or takes off lets see if any Utica native savages take a few pot shots at it and a $100K aircraft is disabled or worse, a fireball taking a few hottentots with them.
In The Know

Ithaca, NY

#34 Jul 27, 2013
Leo Gorcey wrote:
After what happened to the cops on Churchill Ave this week, lets see what happens in a thug shooting(s) scene where wounded need transport to a hospital. As the chopper comes in or takes off lets see if any Utica native savages take a few pot shots at it and a $100K aircraft is disabled or worse, a fireball taking a few hottentots with them.
A helicopter would never be used for the 5 minute trip from West Utica to a local hospital. It's a waste of resources. A helicopter, however, can and IS used to move these trauma patients from the frequently ill-equipped hospitals in Utica to better hospitals in Syracuse and Albany.

And you will notice you never hear about fire engines or ambulances being victim to random bullet holes. Why? The same reason the helicopter wouldn't. They don't approach the scene until it is safe to do so.
Leo Gorcey

Long Eddy, NY

#35 Jul 27, 2013
But no one knows what these savages who pelted the cops Wed. nite are gonna act up. Keep things as they are now.
In The Know

Ithaca, NY

#36 Jul 27, 2013
Leo Gorcey wrote:
But no one knows what these savages who pelted the cops Wed. nite are gonna act up. Keep things as they are now.
So you don't want critical care air transport in the area because you're afraid that criminals will shoot it down. What a perfectly logical conclusion, given that has never happened ever before.
NOTAM

United States

#37 Jul 27, 2013
Leo Gorcey wrote:
Keep things as they are now.
I think that's the plan. It's working well. Utica has never been so deserving of its present state of affairs. Also, "100k" wouldn't pay for one of the engines kid.

Why are uticans so unworldly and agog over pennies?
Lol

Pittsfield, MA

#38 Jul 28, 2013
NOTAM wrote:
<quoted text>I think that's the plan. It's working well. Utica has never been so deserving of its present state of affairs. Also, "100k" wouldn't pay for one of the engines kid.
Why are uticans so unworldly and agog over pennies?
Ah, yes. The status quo. It has worked this long, right?

Utica is so full of reactionaries, it will never improve.
Land of analphabetism

United States

#39 Jul 28, 2013
Lol wrote:
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Are you even trying to make a point anymore?
Yes I am I think it's over your head pun intended.

This is a post debating something that's ridiculous and above the twisted public safety values and general education and level of understanding of the area. These people see a restored GTO and think you're a billionaire. They think electric lines are what's causing their inbreeding. They worry about insignificant shit they cannot ever hope to affect or change and root and vote for felons, thieves, liars, frauds and lazy human dirt of public office and service. It's like flying over the pygmy villages in South America and they're shooting arrows at you lol! Yes there is a point. One in 5000 will get it in another 25 years. Maybe.
Hmmm

New York, NY

#40 Jul 28, 2013
In The Know wrote:
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A helicopter would never be used for the 5 minute trip from West Utica to a local hospital. It's a waste of resources. A helicopter, however, can and IS used to move these trauma patients from the frequently ill-equipped hospitals in Utica to better hospitals in Syracuse and Albany.
And you will notice you never hear about fire engines or ambulances being victim to random bullet holes. Why? The same reason the helicopter wouldn't. They don't approach the scene until it is safe to do so.
It would make more sense for a helicopter ambulance to be run by a local hospital. The helicopter could be located and manned by the hospital. Makes no sense to make it a UFD run activity...
Land of analphabetism

United States

#41 Jul 28, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
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It would make more sense for a helicopter ambulance to be run by a local hospital. The helicopter could be located and manned by the hospital. Makes no sense to make it a UFD run activity...
It would to the UFD! If only they could find someone smart, levelheaded, consistent and trustworthy enough to safely operate and manage it and that's way over their heads. You need personnel with a certain type of personal responsibility, maturity and bearing that you simply rarely find in the upstate public sector. Any underwriter or owner would also look at their whole attitude toward equipment and the monkey maintenance personnel you typically find working in cities up there. They'd immediately slather childish stickers and giant eyes and slogans all over it like they do their police cars armadillos and fire trucks. Also you're right they don't base lifeflight services at fire departments anymore they use top rated regional medical centers for the serious stuff.
Also the UFD would waste little time putting giant US flags and "Your flying heroes" written all over it and it would get sued into an aircraft auction the first time they killed someone or used it so some utica or new hartford cop could go stalk his ex wifey.

The last helicopter they could afford there was an occasionally loaned antique Bell 47 and it will stay that way save for the pipedreams of the shiny firetruck driver crowd. It's a pipe dream. Never going to happen, and would never last if they could pull it off.

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