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Heather knows wrote:
In case you fools weren't paying attention to the dozens of editorials in the news after Detroit's bankruptcy filing you should go read a little about what economists and others are saying.
The unions and public safety costs FAR outweigh anything else. No wonder nobody believes them because they are desperate to shift blame.
Oh i see Detroit has started to move forward, HA HA HA.
i thought it would
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PROVE that other is welfare. I just posted facts, You seem to have the problem, calling people names. I am not a city worker, cop,
I work in cyber Security, SO SHOW ME THE FACTS
Ummm yeah retard, YOU'RE the one refuting the KNOWNS imbecile. Where's YOUR proof idiot?

FACT: Public Safety and Public Sector unions are without any question the reason Detroit went backruptasshole.

Wooooooo! A big "Cyber 'security' gurl!!

Which community college did you get your big "degree" rom?

Got a masters from Clarkson with work at UCLA?

Nope. That's why you're blathering idiocy online there big gurl.

When you design and build then you can talk enduser.
Utica LOL

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Wooo cyber gurl wrote:
<quoted text>Ummm yeah retard, YOU'RE the one refuting the KNOWNS imbecile. Where's YOUR proof idiot?
FACT: Public Safety and Public Sector unions are without any question the reason Detroit went backruptasshole.
Wooooooo! A big "Cyber 'security' gurl!!
Which community college did you get your big "degree" rom?
Got a masters from Clarkson with work at UCLA?
Nope. That's why you're blathering idiocy online there big gurl.
When you design and build then you can talk enduser.
Cretin, you are a madman!!! A couple more days and you'll be hitching a ride to Bellview....until then, keep sucking my azzzzzwhole biotch!!!

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Sam

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Wooo cyber gurl wrote:
<quoted text>Ummm yeah retard, YOU'RE the one refuting the KNOWNS imbecile. Where's YOUR proof idiot?
FACT: Public Safety and Public Sector unions are without any question the reason Detroit went backruptasshole.
Wooooooo! A big "Cyber 'security' gurl!!
Which community college did you get your big "degree" rom?
Got a masters from Clarkson with work at UCLA?
Nope. That's why you're blathering idiocy online there big gurl.
When you design and build then you can talk enduser.
I do enjoy,How you and your friend call people names,
You have no fact
Zezio hoessuck coonc0ck

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I do enjoy,How you and your friend call people names,
You have no fact
Whatever idiot. You're the whiny one challenging with no facts. Typical simpleton utican.

When confronted with ugly truth you deny and blow noise.

Still waiting for your link to prove welfare somehow is anywhere NEAR what PS costs retard.
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Zezio hoessuck coonc0ck wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever idiot. You're the whiny one challenging with no facts. Typical simpleton utican.
When confronted with ugly truth you deny and blow noise.
Still waiting for your link to prove welfare somehow is anywhere NEAR what PS costs retard.
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/Stories/2...
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Nice cherrypicking

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Now go reference the real stats on PUBLIC SAFETY spending. Either way the way they do it there it;s all welfare.

Show me where ANYTHING BUT the public unions bankrupt Detroitasshole. You CAN'T!!

Nice try simp.
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Nice cherrypicking wrote:
Now go reference the real stats on PUBLIC SAFETY spending. Either way the way they do it there it;s all welfare.
Show me where ANYTHING BUT the public unions bankrupt Detroitasshole. You CAN'T!!
Nice try simp.
http://publications.budget.ny.gov/eBudget1314...
feel sorry for blacks

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You family drains america more they people on the planet, so they've failed, when you accept that you're good at stocking shelves, you can be happy.
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You family drains america more they people on the planet, so they've failed, when you accept that you're good at stocking shelves, you can be happy.
Long Long since the dawn of history, mentally and emotionally stunted losers and wanabe heroes have blamed their failures on the color of skin.

This, along with the failed educational system in Oneida County are the reasons the North Utica Murphy family and the Marcy Ziexio families have created only fat parasite wanabees and losers.

Or you could end up like "coach" Dave Gweedo Jr, the drunk loser who wiped out his face with his "stellar" driving skills and DWU style! Some "coach" example!

Example their crotchspring- Nobodies going nowhere but up to topix to "prove" their white ]\[igger "supremacy", self proclaimed "high class" and "will" ranting from their blue collar 70s paneled mortgages a.k.a. "White]\[igger hovels"!

Take heed or end up like Joan Murphy or Barbara Zezio with evil ignorant kids going nowhere but down on some blackcock fast or off to a life working in pubic service so they can tell themselves how "superior" they are while they espouse ignorant racism and hate at the people who look straight through them as the bags of human sh!t they are!!

-----Proof that cops are both vacuous and prejudiced (coincidence?)

Exhibit A: USDC Upholds firing intelligent police officers

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/0 ...

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"But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover."

If they hire police officers that have some degree of intelligence, they might move on to real jobs. And intelligent cops might think on their own, and not just blindly follow orders. Can't have that. But don't feel bad, officer. That barely-triple-digit IQ is still a hair above your brothers in the fire department.

Exhibit B: Correlation found between racism, conservative beliefs and low IQ score

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennia ...

Live Science wrote:
"The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario."

This sheds some light on why some people are hateful xenophobes - they might just be unintelligent. We've known for years that racists have been ill informed, but this research helps pinpoint exactly why.

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So the next time you see a police officer harassing a minority, don't be upset. He or she is probably just too dumb to help it!
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Zezio hoessuck coonc0ck wrote:
<quoted text>Long Long since the dawn of history, mentally and emotionally stunted losers and wanabe heroes have blamed their failures on the color of skin.
This, along with the failed educational system in Oneida County are the reasons the North Utica Murphy family and the Marcy Ziexio families have created only fat parasite wanabees and losers.
Or you could end up like "coach" Dave Gweedo Jr, the drunk loser who wiped out his face with his "stellar" driving skills and DWU style! Some "coach" example!
Example their crotchspring- Nobodies going nowhere but up to topix to "prove" their white ]\[igger "supremacy", self proclaimed "high class" and "will" ranting from their blue collar 70s paneled mortgages a.k.a. "White]\[igger hovels"!
Take heed or end up like Joan Murphy or Barbara Zezio with evil ignorant kids going nowhere but down on some blackcock fast or off to a life working in pubic service so they can tell themselves how "superior" they are while they espouse ignorant racism and hate at the people who look straight through them as the bags of human sh!t they are!!
-----Proof that cops are both vacuous and prejudiced (coincidence?)
Exhibit A: USDC Upholds firing intelligent police officers
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/0 ...
Discover wrote:
"But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover."
If they hire police officers that have some degree of intelligence, they might move on to real jobs. And intelligent cops might think on their own, and not just blindly follow orders. Can't have that. But don't feel bad, officer. That barely-triple-digit IQ is still a hair above your brothers in the fire department.
Exhibit B: Correlation found between racism, conservative beliefs and low IQ score
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennia ...
Live Science wrote:
"The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario."
This sheds some light on why some people are hateful xenophobes - they might just be unintelligent. We've known for years that racists have been ill informed, but this research helps pinpoint exactly why.
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So the next time you see a police officer harassing a minority, don't be upset. He or she is probably just too dumb to help it!
This is why we have so much racist problem.
Arrested: Dawn Kenney-Brown (47) Genesee St. Utica
Charges: Menacing a police officer-D felony
Resisting Arrest-misdemeanor
Criminal Possession of a Weapon-D felony
Criminal Possession of a Controlled Substance 7th-misdemeanor
Criminal Possession of a Controlled Substance 5th-D felony
Last night, around 8:00 p.m. UPD Officer White responded to a residence in the 1000 block of Court St. for an assault investigation. When he arrived he spoke with a male and female victim. The female told the officer that she went to her boyfriend's resident to visit him, and when she entered the apartment she saw another male heating up grease on the stove. She continued into the other room and spoke with her boyfriend. When they walked back into the kitchen, the other male was holding a pan of hot grease in one hand, and a knife in the other. The suspect then made reference to a dispute from the previous day, and without warning threw the hot grease onto both the male and female, and fled the scene. The grease caused extensive burns to both victims, and they were treated at the scene by the U.F.D. and transported to St. Luke's Hospital. Around 11:50 p.m. the suspect was located by Officer Berger at Lenox Ave and Court St. He was taken into custody and charged with the following:
Arrested: Robert Dexter (52) Court St. Utica
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Oh look! Forbes magazine on how public bottomfeeder losers and excuse makers ruined detroit.

Welfare = 6-7% while public union douchpeople cost 65%! Not that you could somehow argue that you're ALL welfare to me considering our tax bracket. Funnier still that your lowlife ignorant ass somehow can't do the basic back-of-the-napkin math on pension welfare public bottomfeeders getting 4k a month somehow is MASSIVELY OVERSHADOWED by some welfare trash getting $800 you stupid excuse maker.

Detroit's Bankruptcy Should Be A Warning To Every Worker Expecting A Pension, Or Social Security

The City of Detroit tried to file for bankruptcy last week. A state judge initially blocked the filing, but a federal judge ruled Wednesday this week that the bankruptcy case can move forward. More legal maneuvering is ahead and Detroit may well succeed in the end. After all, Detroit owes somewhere in the neighborhood of $18 to $20 billion to over 100,000 creditors. One group of creditors particularly wary of a municipal bankruptcy is Detroit’s public sector labor unions. They fear a bankruptcy judge might allow the city to cancel or reduce their pension or retiree health benefits. The unions have a lot of law on their side, but they are still right to be worried.

More importantly, this situation should serve as a warning to every person expecting to retire one day and collect a pension or other retirement benefits: do not trust other people with your future.

Detroit’s city workers have two significant legal advantages compared to many workers. First, Michigan’s state constitution specifically protects workers’ pensions from being reduced. Second, Michigan state law requires public pension obligations to be fully funded every year. That means the only reason Detroit may owe money in pension obligations is because the emergency manager thinks the city used favorable actuarial math in the past to save some money. In general, Detroit’s city workers have pension funds that are better funded than most workers. Yet, by some estimates, Detroit’s pension fund is as much as $3.5 billion short of what is needed to pay promised benefits.
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For many reasons, Detroit’s bankruptcy, if a judge eventually allows them go through that process, will not set much of a precedent for other cities. As mentioned, Michigan law protects public sector workers more than the law in most states. Also, it is highly unlikely another city of Detroit’s size will go bankrupt any time soon.

So rather than discuss Detroit’s case specifically, let’s look at the larger lesson that its workers are now learning.

Many American companies have gone through bankruptcy, reduced or eliminated workers’ pensions, and then emerged from bankruptcy to continue operation. Delta Airlines is one recent example; its pilots lost millions in promised pensions. In such cases, the federal government’s Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation steps in to provide much smaller pensions, but workers are still big losers in such actions.

I really dislike when companies or governments use bankruptcy to break employment contracts for workers that continue to perform the same job.(It is different when a company truly liquidates and goes out of business.) Obviously, bankruptcy is a legal process for breaking contracts of many kinds, as the party going bankrupt seeks to discharge debts it legally owes. Yet it is clearly unfair that workers agree to a package of wages and benefits, including future retirement benefits, and then discover that the deal is suddenly broken, and broken in a retroactive way.

To change future employment contracts through the bankruptcy process is reasonable, but pension benefits already earned in previous years are essentially deferred compensation. Those employees could have taken higher wages payable immediately, but instead elected to take less pay in exchange for pensions (and possibly other retirement benefits).

While it might be moral or equitable to protect already-earned pension benefits during a bankruptcy, bankruptcy law allows pensions to be reduced or eliminated. Therefore, given the uncertainty involved in pensions, whether private or public sector, smart workers should learn to avoid them. And the way to avoid such problems is to not trust anybody else with your retirement savings.

Workers can get retirement benefits as part of a compensation package in two possible manners: defined contributions or defined benefits. Pensions are defined benefit plans. You earn specified benefits according to a formula while working and collect them upon retirement. Social Security is also a defined benefit plan; you pay taxes while working, earning credits towards Social Security payments when you are older.

Defined contribution plans include 401(k) and 403(b) plans. In a defined contribution plan, employers and/or the employees contribute specified amounts to a personal retirement account each pay period. The employee generally has some amount of control over investing the contributions while they are working. At retirement, the worker gets to keep the balance in her retirement account, whatever it happens to be.

Many workers, particularly union workers have resisted defined contribution plans, preferring the “certainty” of defined benefit plans. What an unfortunate number of workers have learned to their detriment is that defined benefit plans are only for certain if the employer keeps its promises. Workers avoid the risk of poor investment performance in exchange for taking a risk that their employer will not sufficiently fund their pensions as they go or will not have enough revenues to cover the cost when the pension payment are due.
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Those risks are not small ones. The Pew Center for the States estimated that public pension plans nationwide were underfunded by $1.4 trillion in 2010. An improving stock market since then has assumedly made the shortfall smaller by now, but most state and local government pension funds are still well short of where they should be in order to keep all the promises they have made. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) recently found serious shortfalls in many multiemployer plans (a type favored by unions) and suggested that some of them have no hope of paying all the pensions promised. The New York Times reported last year that 338 of the S&P 500 companies had defined benefit plans for at least some employees. Only 18 of those companies had fully funded their plans. In total, these private pension plans were $355 billion underfunded. The above mentioned Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation will soon run out of money because so many employers are not able to pay out promised pensions.

Republicans have spent at least the last ten years pushing to privatize Social Security so that workers can have individual accounts, more like a defined contribution plan than a defined benefit plan. Democrats have resisted all such efforts strongly. They have argued that people should be protected from the uncertainty of stock and bond returns, that retirement plans should not be risky.

What the opponents of defined contribution plans miss is that defined benefit plans are at least as risky, and likely much more so. The future retirement payments may be contractually (or in the case of Social Security, legally) specified and are supposedly fixed, but given how many pension funds are underfunded, the risk of nonpayment or reduced benefits is clearly significant.

Social Security has no money in actual investment or bank accounts. All the money paid in Social Security taxes has either been paid out to current retirees or loaned to the federal government in order to reduce the deficit. Courts have already ruled that the Social Security benefit formula can be changed at any time, meaning legally the government does not have to pay what it promised. Thus, Social Security is a pension plan with no money saved up and the ability to reduce the amount paid to retirees at any time. That sounds pretty risky to me.

Perhaps the opponents of defined contribution plans have not noticed that if market returns are poor, thereby reducing the retirement payouts from defined contribution plans, all the defined benefit plans will be more severely underfunded as well. After all, the assets set aside to pay the future pensions are invested in the same stock and bond markets. Plus, with defined benefit plans, the employer may not have invested enough toward the pensions in the first place.
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Another difference between the two approaches is that when defined benefit plans cannot meet their obligations, what happens to the workers is more uncertain. Worse, workers and retirees are less prepared for any changes to their retirement benefits, having assumed that they could count on receiving the money promised. With defined contribution plans, workers watch their account balances and can adjust other savings plans or retirement dates accordingly.

A defined contribution plan where employers pay the agreed upon contribution in each pay period and the worker controls the account seems much less risky to me. Bankruptcy does not affect these account balances at all. A company may pay less into a worker’s account after bankruptcy if employment contracts are changed, but all the money previously accrued stays in the worker’s account because the worker owns the account, not the employer. Defined contribution plans cannot be underfunded; workers always get what they are owed. Future contributions can be changed, but nobody can be shortchanged for time already worked in the way you can with a defined benefit plan that gets redefined.

The lesson of Detroit, of most public sector pension plans, of Social Security, and of many private sector pension plans is clear. Relying on an employer’s promise to provide a pension at some distant future date involves a lot of risk. Workers’ retirement benefits would be safer with defined contribution plans and their stronger legal protection. Unions, who have long negotiated hard for pensions, should rethink their strategy and reassess the risks.

Defined benefit plans are not risky in theory, only in practice. Given the pervasive underfunding of pensions by employers of all sorts, a little market-return risk in a defined contribution plan seems like the safer choice.

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Idiots thinking Trillions in unfunded pensions and fat pig pubic worker healthcare somehow equates to "welfare's fault"! LMAO!!

Also Forbes points out that in NYS there are now more people on welfare and working in pubic bottomfeeder jobs pretending they're "awesome and necessary" than people working to bring in the actual money.

More takers than makers. Own it parasite.

Also, before you try your next stupid ootican denial, here's the actual article, not a word has been changed doof.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/20...
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Yeaaaah I'm thinking I'll stick at Langan for 30 like pop before me and do my elec. engineering freelance on the side and other freelance work with the civil seal I earned.

New truck from Langan every 2 years if I want, stay at comped condos, travel for 6mos at a time to exotic places, meeting movers and shakers. My name involved in the tallest or largest projects in the world. A company that loves my fam because they helped found it. And I get to fly right on over you idiots.

Enjoy your "SUNY IT Supersecurity job in ooootica oh wise man!! LMAO!
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Mid-State Correctional is next to close
Why?
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You don't need 10 bullets to shoot a deers!
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Get fid of some assistant Da's. There are some who are just plain evil. SLP is one!

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