registration leads to confiscation!!!

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#1 Jan 19, 2013
REGISTRATION LEADS TO CONFISCATION!!!

Cuomo's plan is to eventually confiscate guns. Remember he was considering it but it was stated to be "too expensive" so it was taken off the table. What was not said is that they do not really know who has the guns. Plus a large scale confiscation would ensure a revolution.

So the plan is to lure people into registering the guns for free. Then jack up the prices so that only the very rich can afford them. The poor will then turn in their guns a little at a time. A fight is avoided.
Well Well Well

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#2 Jan 19, 2013
The new law he signed also requires therapists to report to police agencies any gun owner in therapy who fantasized about hurting self or someone else so their guns can be taken away.

Note I said fantasized, not actually threatened. The old law required them to report people who were deemed a threat to self or others.

Therapists who fail to report such fantasizing gun owners can face criminal prosecution themselves.

So, gun owners, be very careful of what you say to a therapist or counselor, or don't ever go to one.
Well Well Well

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#4 Jan 19, 2013
100 percent

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#3 Jan 19, 2013
Correct. The writing is on the wall but only a few see it. I bet every person that was at the AT&T store when the salesman was shot is glad there was a good guy with a gun to stop him. If not how many employees would be dead?
Rick

Utica, NY

#5 Jan 19, 2013
Well Well Well wrote:
The new law he signed also requires therapists to report to police agencies any gun owner in therapy who fantasized about hurting self or someone else so their guns can be taken away.
Note I said fantasized, not actually threatened. The old law required them to report people who were deemed a threat to self or others.
Therapists who fail to report such fantasizing gun owners can face criminal prosecution themselves.
So, gun owners, be very careful of what you say to a therapist or counselor, or don't ever go to one.
Please remember this. Very soon ALL primary care doctors and NP,PA, will ask a very simple thing do you own guns, They are not looking to take your guns, But your answer goes on your medical record. Then if you doctor treats you for depression, or any other problem they know you have firearms
Remington

Utica, NY

#6 Jan 19, 2013
NYGunman wrote:
REGISTRATION LEADS TO CONFISCATION!!!
Cuomo's plan is to eventually confiscate guns. Remember he was considering it but it was stated to be "too expensive" so it was taken off the table. What was not said is that they do not really know who has the guns. Plus a large scale confiscation would ensure a revolution.
So the plan is to lure people into registering the guns for free. Then jack up the prices so that only the very rich can afford them. The poor will then turn in their guns a little at a time. A fight is avoided.
they will take everyone's guns little by little just like the tommy gun

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#7 Jan 19, 2013
So a guy with an AK-47 who is having ideations about killing people loses his gun, you think thats a bad thing?
Remington

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#8 Jan 19, 2013
Utica Viscount wrote:
So a guy with an AK-47 who is having ideations about killing people loses his gun, you think thats a bad thing?
yeah i think the police who tell the doctor that they want to kill a criminal should have their gun taken away and their have been times when they said this

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#9 Jan 19, 2013
Remington wrote:
<quoted text>yeah i think the police who tell the doctor that they want to kill a criminal should have their gun taken away and their have been times when they said this
Agreed. Wanting to fantasizing about murdering someone is certainly a mental illness, and I don't want mentally ill people owning guns!

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#10 Jan 19, 2013
Utica Viscount wrote:
So a guy with an AK-47 who is having ideations about killing people loses his gun, you think thats a bad thing?
First, it's a very rare to be shot by a crazy person with homicidal ideations of mass murder. In fact, statistically you're more likely to get hit by lighting or win the Lotto. It's liberal paranoia and the media making this seem like an everyday thing.

Second, Ak-47s are already regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934. They are also illegal for citizens to own in NYS. A person wanting to use an AK-47 will have to break laws just to get it. Criminals by definition don’t follow the law.

Third, Crazy people will find ways to kill people no matter what. Personally I believe most people if they had a choice of either facing a guy with a gun, a fertilizer bomb, ricin based weapons, etc.- most would choose the gun as they have a higher chance of surviving the ordeal. Their chances even go up if an upstanding member of the community is carrying concealed.

The largest killing of school age children in the United states was not done with guns. It was done with bombs!

Bath School Disaster (bombing)– 38 children – total of 44 lives
Oklahoma City bombing – 19 children – total of 168 lives!
Columbine – 12 students dead

Adolph Hitler unarmed the jews and minorities - At least 6 million slaughtered. 1.6 of them children.

Ask yourself right now how many children are being killed in Africa because of genicide.

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#11 Jan 19, 2013
Way to be pedantic. AK variants are readily available everywhere.
Firearm homicides aren't uncommon, with over 11,000 happening in 2010. I highly doubt there were 11,000 lighting strikes. The goal or motive of the shooter doesn't matter if you're being shot at, so i'm not quite sure why you differentiate someone who murders because of compulsion, profit, etc.
Explosives are highly regulated in the United States because they are incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands. Hint hint.
I'm not sure the strawman argument you're trying to introduce regarding Nazi Germany. Given that by 1937 they had a standing army of 300,000 men, I don't see how the Jews or Roma people having guns would have prevented such a genocide. Much how gun nuts in the United States think that they would be able to overthrow a government with drone aircraft and precision airstrikes.
Is the solution to genocide in sub-Saharan Africa to arm the children? Because child soldiers in Uganda and the CAR help to prop up regimes that are the CAUSE of starvation, ethnic cleaning and genocide.
Simply injecting firearms into any conflict, be it socio-economic, religious, territorial, etc. does nothing to help ANY situation, as violence begets violence.

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#12 Jan 19, 2013
Utica Viscount wrote:
Way to be pedantic. AK variants are readily available everywhere.
Okay, so we are in agreement that AK-47s, which are fully automatic rifles used in war zones, are not targeted in this gun law or any potential gun ban as they are not readily available to the general public.

The variants that you speak of do not function like the AK-47 as they are NOT automatic rifles. Instead these "variants" just look like the AK-47. The ammunition use in these variants, which is generally a 7.62x39 cartridge or .22 lr, is much less powerful than standard hunting rifle ammunition such as the .308, 30/06, or 7mm cartridges.

So my question in return would be, why are you trying to misrepresent the firearms being targeted? Is it because the AK-47 sounds like much more threatening rifle than say a SAR1? What is your agenda?

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#13 Jan 19, 2013
Utica Viscount wrote:
Way to be pedantic. AK variants are readily available everywhere.
Firearm homicides aren't uncommon,
However they are a very small percentage of the leading causes of death per CDC figures.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

If you break it down even further, you'll find that a very small number of people are actually killed by so called "assault rifles". In fact, you are more likely to die of an infectious disease than being shot by someone with a so called "assault rifle"?

So why not the big push to stop the REAL killers and threats of people in the United States?

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#15 Jan 19, 2013
Utica Viscount wrote:
...with over 11,000 happening in 2010. I highly doubt there were 11,000 lighting strikes. The goal or motive of the shooter doesn't matter if you're being shot at, so i'm not quite sure why you differentiate someone who murders because of compulsion, profit, etc.
Please stop trying to change the subject. You stated,”So a guy with an AK-47 who is having ideations about killing people loses his gun, you think thats a bad thing?”

My reply stands and is true. It is very unlikely for someone to be shot with an AK-47. I’ll even go as far as to include the variants in that claim.. Below are some statistics:

300 people hurt by lightening a year:

http://www.noaawatch.gov/themes/severe.php

358 people hurt by rifles in 2010 according to the FBI. Take note that the FBI does not discriminate between hunting rifles and “assault” rifles. However hunting rifles are much more common so it is reasonable to believe that number is much lower than 300.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...

You should also take note of the other causes of death in 2010. Knives, clubs, and feet/fists are deadlier than rifles.
hank hill

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#16 Jan 19, 2013
NYGunman wrote:
REGISTRATION LEADS TO CONFISCATION!!!
Cuomo's plan is to eventually confiscate guns. Remember he was considering it but it was stated to be "too expensive" so it was taken off the table. What was not said is that they do not really know who has the guns. Plus a large scale confiscation would ensure a revolution.
So the plan is to lure people into registering the guns for free. Then jack up the prices so that only the very rich can afford them. The poor will then turn in their guns a little at a time. A fight is avoided.
if, at the time of registration someone tries to confiscate your weapon, shoot the bastard. You have the upper hand here already having the weapon.

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#17 Jan 19, 2013
Utica Viscount wrote:
...Explosives are highly regulated in the United States because they are incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands. Hint hint.
Never knew there was a 2nd amendment concerning explosives. Also taxes, eloyment laws, etc. are highly regulated, what's your point again?

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#18 Jan 19, 2013
Utica Viscount wrote:
...I don't see how the Jews or Roma people having guns would have prevented such a genocide. Much how gun nuts in the United States think that they would be able to overthrow a government with drone aircraft and precision airstrikes.
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I'm not surprised that you can't see how the jews could have protected themselves with guns. Yup, it could never happen here in the good ol' US od A....

Oh wait, it already did with the battle of Athens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens... (1946)

<However your arguement can be used that the citizens need more firepower.>

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#19 Jan 19, 2013
NYGunman wrote:
<quoted text>Never knew there was a 2nd amendment concerning explosives. Also taxes, eloyment laws, etc. are highly regulated, what's your point again?
The greater point is that this slippery slope towards banning personal ownership of firearms is a laughable fantasy at best, and banning the most dangerous weapons is a reasonable response towards keeping everyone safe.

The scariest part of this whole controversy is how obsessed the American people seem to be with deadly weapons of war. It's almost sociopathic in nature. I couldn't imagine the reactions if someone said they were just a law-abiding VX gas enthusiast, but many in this country fetishize machines designed to maim and kill.

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#22 Jan 19, 2013
Utica Viscount wrote:
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The greater point is that this slippery slope towards banning personal ownership of firearms is a laughable fantasy at best,.....
You are a damn fool if you don't believe this is the first step towards confiscation.

Andrew Cuomo, "Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/nyregion/cu...

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#23 Jan 19, 2013
Ian Hob wrote:
<quoted text>That's what they project. However I know personally how easy it actually is in practice to obtain an ATFE Type set for manufacturing explosives. It costs around $400 a year to maintain the permissions, and it was easier than a PP by half. Fun and educational too!
Wow.. sorry to make you piss your chair.
An ATF permit!?!!? A visit from the FEDS?!!? How dare the federal government decide who gets to manufacture explosives!

If buying a gun required that level of scrutiny the world would be a better place.

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