City manager needed to control dept heads spending addiction

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desperate

Syracuse, NY

#1 Feb 14, 2013
It is well known and obvious that the Mayor cannot control the spending addiction of department heads who despite difficult times are over budget every single year. Even Roefaro in his tern said he was to busy with his own job to oversee and know what everyone else was doing. This should have raised red flags years ago as he did nothing about it but tap all the reserves, raise taxes and borrow millions of dollars. Even most recently Palmieri is unable to control there uncontrolable urges and desire to spend what they don't have leaving taxpayers to foot the bill year after years as we add to our deficits and budget by 3-4 million dollars a year. Nobody knows what's going on, revenues are exaggerated, nobody knows who's running the city,liabilities and debts are is under-estimated and there is absolutely no oversite even by the comtrollers office. It's way beyond time to get our city a relaible city manager to ensure taxpayers aren't getting taking advantage of anymore as in the past.
Good point

United States

#2 Feb 14, 2013
Palmeri is on Keeler right now blaming people moving away and "nighttime partys" for the ongoing engorgement of the fake PROVEN OVERSTAFFED UPD and departments.

You people are crazy to listen to these fools or giving them a single nickel.
legalize marriquana

Syracuse, NY

#3 Feb 14, 2013
Good point wrote:
Palmeri is on Keeler right now blaming people moving away and "nighttime partys" for the ongoing engorgement of the fake PROVEN OVERSTAFFED UPD and departments.
You people are crazy to listen to these fools or giving them a single nickel.
If they legalize marriqunna the UPD wouldn't have anything to do and you can get rid of half of them. Most crimes in Utica are petty and pathetic excuses to play cat and mouse. Then again the city would save millions of dollars and we can't do that right. Losing 20 officers wouldn't make one bit of difference in Utica. years and years of bullshit and they're still trying to brain wash taxpayers who are most elderly or refugees.
Good point

United States

#4 Feb 14, 2013
legalize marriquana wrote:
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If they legalize marriqunna the UPD wouldn't have anything to do and you can get rid of half of them. Most crimes in Utica are petty and pathetic excuses to play cat and mouse. Then again the city would save millions of dollars and we can't do that right. Losing 20 officers wouldn't make one bit of difference in Utica. years and years of bullshit and they're still trying to brain wash taxpayers who are most elderly or refugees.
The thing no one seems to notice is that all the council and the mayor and the department dickheads like Babbling Brooks and that fat worthless loudmouth Billy Williams' brother Mark are all playingthe same theater script-

Claim they are broke from "someone else's" spending and say they have cut all they can...... Oh! And BTW they want a tax increase.

Cowards who are denying the obvious- Save all the paperclip money you want you'll get nowhere until you cut THE EXCESS FAT OFF THE UPD like the retards you pay to sit online and try to garner morale support for the failures and wanabee cops in the Utica New York Police Department.
Legalizing weed won't help either because all the kids will smoke their futures away like the kids you find in "OOOOtica" that can't spell and add yet somehow they have a "diploma"... if you'd call any of the schools in OOOtica or that area WORTHY of being able to issue an actual "diploma".

Just look at ANY OOOtican talking in the news and ask yourself who educated these hickass pretenders. They actually try to use big words to sound smart and don't realize they're using the wrong word much of the time.

OOOOtica and the stalWARTS who claim it's 6 Flags Fun are just pathetic excuses for shells of humans. No culture, no money, no future. Just tax increases from the same people who sit on topix posting race hate to distract from their own news.

It's fun watching the place implode and pulling strings to cut off huge deals for that pisshole just to keep it down there. Utica deserves exactly what it's got now, and it's at the point where it's just getting interesting LMAO!
Southern Avenger

Brockton, MA

#5 Feb 14, 2013
So the common council voted to borrow money to pay themselves and now two months later they will be unable to pay pensions and also pay salaries. What is our mayor going to do? He's going to ask the governnor for a delay in paying pensions. The truth is Utica can't sustain the pensions at all. It can't sustain salaries either. The only way out of this mess is to 1. Pay all pensions fully, making Utica totally broke. 2. File bankruptcy, Under tradional definition of bankruptcy. 3. Sell north Utica and renegotiate all pensions or eliminate them. Deliver self determination to them while generating millions. 4 take millions and subsidize 3 casino boats. One for the state, one for the county and one for Utica. Put casino boats in Utica's harbor. 5. Pay pensions and salaries from casino revenue. 6. Lower property taxes and sales taxes as much as possible.

These are the steps I recommend. What would a city manger do?
abc

Utica, NY

#6 Feb 14, 2013
Southern Avenger wrote:
So the common council voted to borrow money to pay themselves and now two months later they will be unable to pay pensions and also pay salaries. What is our mayor going to do? He's going to ask the governnor for a delay in paying pensions. The truth is Utica can't sustain the pensions at all. It can't sustain salaries either. The only way out of this mess is to 1. Pay all pensions fully, making Utica totally broke. 2. File bankruptcy, Under tradional definition of bankruptcy. 3. Sell north Utica and renegotiate all pensions or eliminate them. Deliver self determination to them while generating millions. 4 take millions and subsidize 3 casino boats. One for the state, one for the county and one for Utica. Put casino boats in Utica's harbor. 5. Pay pensions and salaries from casino revenue. 6. Lower property taxes and sales taxes as much as possible.
These are the steps I recommend. What would a city manger do?


Maybe these ideas would work and maybe not but at least someone is trying to come up with solutions and not just complain. Now we need now we need the council and the mayor and most importantly the residents of Utica to be open minded.
Thank you.
Earle Greed

Utica, NY

#7 Feb 14, 2013
Do you really think a City Manager would work???

They'd have to get someone from the North Pole who has nothing to do with all the family and friends that are so inter-twined in politics in this area.

All the city pension collectors can contribute $100 towards this persons salary.
fire them

Syracuse, NY

#8 Feb 14, 2013
Southern Avenger wrote:
So the common council voted to borrow money to pay themselves and now two months later they will be unable to pay pensions and also pay salaries. What is our mayor going to do? He's going to ask the governnor for a delay in paying pensions. The truth is Utica can't sustain the pensions at all. It can't sustain salaries either. The only way out of this mess is to 1. Pay all pensions fully, making Utica totally broke. 2. File bankruptcy, Under tradional definition of bankruptcy. 3. Sell north Utica and renegotiate all pensions or eliminate them. Deliver self determination to them while generating millions. 4 take millions and subsidize 3 casino boats. One for the state, one for the county and one for Utica. Put casino boats in Utica's harbor. 5. Pay pensions and salaries from casino revenue. 6. Lower property taxes and sales taxes as much as possible.
These are the steps I recommend. What would a city manger do?
The idea of a city manager is that if a department head can't stay within it's budget that he or she would get fired imediately, period. A city manager would baby sit, watch and control spending in each department and micro-manange there finances insuring it stays within it's means WITHOUT going over. There would be performance and evaluation reports on each department head. A manager can put into place an anti-family and friends policy which would hire according to qualification and what they know and not who you know. This is what is needed in a city mananger and would bring back trust to taxpayers who cannot trust their own politicians or exspect them to do the right thing for them. He would also oversee the checks and balances of the cpmtollers office to make sure what is coming in and what is going out without corruption. We must demand this kind of accountability if the embalming process that Roefaro instituted to suck the blood out of us stops immediately or taxpeyer will end up just bleeding out and be finished.
stick it in the can

Syracuse, NY

#9 Feb 15, 2013
Stick it in the can, put it to the curb. We do have to start demanding accountability in this city because if they weren't all part of the family and friends plans in Utica they would be all fired for not doing a good job or even a fair job for that fact. They know they can get away with over-spending so they do it. There are no consequences for going over budget. It's business as usual and this my friends must stop.
one who knows

Utica, NY

#10 Feb 15, 2013
legalize marriquana wrote:
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If they legalize marriqunna the UPD wouldn't have anything to do and you can get rid of half of them. Most crimes in Utica are petty and pathetic excuses to play cat and mouse. Then again the city would save millions of dollars and we can't do that right. Losing 20 officers wouldn't make one bit of difference in Utica. years and years of bullshit and they're still trying to brain wash taxpayers who are most elderly or refugees.
Take a walk down James St. or Steuben St. after 8PM and then tell us how safe you feel!!!!!!
one who knows

Utica, NY

#11 Feb 15, 2013
Southern Avenger wrote:
So the common council voted to borrow money to pay themselves and now two months later they will be unable to pay pensions and also pay salaries. What is our mayor going to do? He's going to ask the governnor for a delay in paying pensions. The truth is Utica can't sustain the pensions at all. It can't sustain salaries either. The only way out of this mess is to 1. Pay all pensions fully, making Utica totally broke. 2. File bankruptcy, Under tradional definition of bankruptcy. 3. Sell north Utica and renegotiate all pensions or eliminate them. Deliver self determination to them while generating millions. 4 take millions and subsidize 3 casino boats. One for the state, one for the county and one for Utica. Put casino boats in Utica's harbor. 5. Pay pensions and salaries from casino revenue. 6. Lower property taxes and sales taxes as much as possible.
These are the steps I recommend. What would a city manger do?
Remember one important thing - At the next Election, there will be a vote needed to ABOLISH THE $15,800 SALARIES PLUS HEALTH BENEFITS FOR ALL COMMON COUNCIL MEMBERS. The Voters of Utica will finally make the decision to take away this "benefit" they all are receiving for merely being puppets working part-time!!!
one who knows

Utica, NY

#12 Feb 15, 2013
Southern Avenger wrote:
........ 3. Sell north Utica .......... 6. Lower property taxes and sales taxes as much as possible.
These are the steps I recommend. What would a city manger do?
North Uticians would love to be "sold" and return to our roots (Deerfield)-BUT- since it is mostly N. Utica that is carrying the majority of paying Utica's high taxes, it will never happen!
360000 dollars

Syracuse, NY

#13 Feb 15, 2013
one who knows wrote:
<quoted text>Take a walk down James St. or Steuben St. after 8PM and then tell us how safe you feel!!!!!!
$360,000, that is where Roefaro built a sub-station which remains empty. Why, because he had taxpayers money and was spending it like a drunken sailor. What business would you be doing on steuben and james street anyways? Nowhere in Utica is safe anymore whether it be EU, WU, SU, Cornhill, or where alot of crime has been recently happening NU but if your not doing anything wrong you should have nothing to worry about.
Southern Avenger

Utica, NY

#14 Feb 16, 2013
I would assume North Utica wants nothing to do with Utica proper (East, South, West). North Utica is so far away from the other districts that 'Utica' is really more of a massive region than a city. We lose because the scope of the real-estate is too large.

North Utica can survive on its own. It could create its own government and thrive, because in general the sales tax revenues would be a very lucrative cash stream. In this situation North Utica would advance quickly, economically speaking but mostly because the burdens of Utica would be gone.

The Southern side of the river will be known as Utica. It will also include Harbor Point. The sum of East, South, West and the Harbor is currently a negative sum. This means our obligations exceed our ability to pay. This is Why Utica should get the river boat casinos.(3) three boats to ensure competition. The revenue from the river boats would allow Utica to recover from 30 years of economic depression.

Simply , sell North Utica to North Uticans. They get the sales tax from riverside. Utica gets riverboat casinos and the revenues from them. North Utica gets nothing from the casinos, Utica gets no sales tax from Riverside.

capiche?
Southern Avenger

Utica, NY

#15 Feb 16, 2013
In many places, where a river splits a population, you get two towns instead of one.

Sooner or later, the mayor must inform city pensioners that the city may default, leading to the extinction of pensions. Renegotiation on pensions is very much in the interest of the pensioners.

This should be disclosed to the public. Why? Because the debt obligation of the pensions requires the public to sacrifice through taxation. The amount of the taxation required to pay these pensions would consume the wealth of the entire city.

In the next budget, the top line will read 1.2 billion book value. The market value might be 35-50 million. The market value might also be negative considering the pension debt obligation.

Could you see 25% tax increase? At least!
status quo

Syracuse, NY

#16 Feb 16, 2013
Southern Avenger wrote:
In many places, where a river splits a population, you get two towns instead of one.
Sooner or later, the mayor must inform city pensioners that the city may default, leading to the extinction of pensions. Renegotiation on pensions is very much in the interest of the pensioners.
This should be disclosed to the public. Why? Because the debt obligation of the pensions requires the public to sacrifice through taxation. The amount of the taxation required to pay these pensions would consume the wealth of the entire city.
In the next budget, the top line will read 1.2 billion book value. The market value might be 35-50 million. The market value might also be negative considering the pension debt obligation.
Could you see 25% tax increase? At least!
That's exactly right and status quo for Utica. Our politicians will never default of re-negotiate because of the friends and family factor along with there big ego's equals the maximum tax rates a city can obsorb. Were on our way to 20% native Uticans and an 80% minority and refugee welfare town. Population will continue to dwindle as more homes board up and get out of dodge while they still have a sliver of dignity and any savings once our govenor, Picente, and Mayor get done with us. Were toast!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all the fireman and cops and let the city burn down is it's best hope.
Guest

Utica, NY

#17 Feb 16, 2013
360000 dollars wrote:
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$360,000, that is where Roefaro built a sub-station which remains empty. Why, because he had taxpayers money and was spending it like a drunken sailor. What business would you be doing on steuben and james street anyways? Nowhere in Utica is safe anymore whether it be EU, WU, SU, Cornhill, or where alot of crime has been recently happening NU but if your not doing anything wrong you should have nothing to worry about.
Remember,this is what all politicians due ,create BS projects so they can steal the money.They could just cut themselves a check but that would be too obvious This games been going on forever.
more of the same

Syracuse, NY

#18 Feb 17, 2013
Palmeiri now blaming council for departmeny heads going over budget and justifies his brand new leased police car, says he deserves it after years of service. He tells WIBX that it's the common councils fault for making public safety cuts and depatment heads over spending because they have to pay replacement time. BULLSHIT, as they use replacement time as an excuse to over spend. Some things will never change in Utica as we get our yearly shellacken and ludacrist tax increases.
U know shyt nana

United States

#19 Feb 17, 2013
That STILL wouldn't touch the problem are you a coward? You speak of fear an awful lot. The city of uterus will be forced to cut half the public safety and all your overblown benefits Roefaro gave you. DEAL with it.
one who knows wrote:
<quoted text>Remember one important thing - At the next Election, there will be a vote needed to ABOLISH THE $15,800 SALARIES PLUS HEALTH BENEFITS FOR ALL COMMON COUNCIL MEMBERS. The Voters of Utica will finally make the decision to take away this "benefit" they all are receiving for merely being puppets working part-time!!!
Tax Payer

Utica, NY

#20 Feb 17, 2013
Remind our Mayor that it is he who is incharge of the City.
The buck stops with him, take ownership and not blame others. If others are the problem, get rid of them!

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