No tolls on thruway
Truth

Utica, NY

#136 Apr 9, 2014
blah blah blah wrote:
Blah blah blah again.
Do you think there should be tolls on the NYS Thruway?

Are the tolls a factor in keeping New York from being able to compete with other states for business?

Should the New York State Thruway Authority be dissolved and responsibility for the roadway be ceded to the NYSDOT?

Would you rather keep the tolls or have the federal gas tax pay for the maintenance of the Thruway like 95% of the U.S. Interstate Highway System is paid for?

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#137 Apr 9, 2014
Truth wrote:
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'You're' is the contraction for 'you are' as in "If you're looking for a ......"
I thought we talked about that already.
LMFAO THAT is what you take away from things. DURRRRRRR DUH DURRRR GO AWAY.

Since: May 11

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#138 May 27, 2014
Democretins Ruin CNY wrote:
<quoted text>Wait! Did you figure in Rigigie fest or the Boilergasm?
LOL, I forgot about the "big event" in Utica, a third rate road race (that I ran for several years, btw).

Since: May 11

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#139 May 27, 2014
Blitzcrieg wrote:
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You are so self important.
It's got nothing to do with "self-important."

When most/all of the educated/achievers leave, the area is SCREWED- all you have left behind are the dead enders who have no choice but to stay in CNY, and the aged retirees. Don't take my word for it, LOOK AROUND at the shell of a city that Utica has become.

When you drive away the wealthy, the educated, the achievers, don't be surprised if you are left with nothing but a city in big trouble- dying on the vine, while cities in places like Texas, that are business/achievement friendly thrive.

Since: May 11

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#140 May 27, 2014
Truth wrote:
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If I had to pick one sentence from all of your posts to demonstrate your intelligence level it would be this one:
"I see problems here for sure but if you think anywhere is without problems your more intelligent than you already think you are."
What does that even mean?
You continue to scold someone who seems from their posts, to be a producer as opposed to a taker. We in New York are losing(not loosing) producers and gaining takers. Don't you understand that without the producers the takers will have less(or nothing) to take. I have no idea what prompted that other poster to leave new York for Texas. Maybe it was employment. Maybe it was weather or taxes. It doesn't really matter. The point is that his/her story has become the norm. As long as that is true those of us left here suffer the consequences. The more appropriate response to this poster would be to ask why they left and what it would take to get them back. Therein lies the solution to New York's problem and you urging people like this poster to stay away just makes the situation worse. I don't expect you to understand that though. I do expect more name calling, misspelling and bad grammar.
"Maybe it was employment. Maybe it was weather or taxes. It doesn't really matter. The point is that his/her story has become the norm. As long as that is true those of us left here suffer the consequences. The more appropriate response to this poster would be to ask why they left and what it would take to get them back."

You know what, it was a little of all of that. The dismal economy in CNY, the high taxes, the excessive government regulation. All of it.

Honestly, I could move to NY now and still work for my Texas firm (telecommuting). But I'd still have to deal with the ridiculous level of taxation in NY.

I actually like central NY. Many who leave never even consider coming back, but if NY had a more rational level of government/taxation, I'd come back.

But we're not going to take a $10,000+ per year tax hit just for the privilege of living in Utica.

Make Utica more friendly to the educated, the high earners, the entrepreneurs, and some of them will come back. I'd be one of them, and bring my wife (also a high earning, well educated professional- she's a refugee from the People's Republic of California) with me. Otherwise, we are just gone and will only visit once in a while. I know that not all of the achievers leave, but we all know a huge percentage do.

Since: May 11

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#141 May 27, 2014
Blitzcrieg wrote:
I am more like you than you think. I believe we should adopt a flat tax. Period.
I suggest irrational idiots with nothing productive to offer than insult after insult, with no positive agenda what so ever are better off in their promise land. That attitude will never be positive or productive for an economy in need of a re-start. If you look around and really look there are educated hard working people doing their best to make change here. That is hard to see from Texas I presume. Its hard to see when you refuse to be wrong.
I will vote. I will pay my taxes. I will offer positive ideas for change or support those whom I see see making progress through their professional endeavors and hard work.
Beyond that I will (entertain) myself with the ramblings of idiots sitting in their arm chairs from Texas with nothing better to offer the world than hovering over a key board antagonizing people across the country in their "home town" just dying to pounce on any response to any topic on any issue with the attitude of a know it all twelve year old girl. All so they can feel better about themselves and pet their own egotistical self awareness. This is entertainment at its best. That is ALL that it is to me.
The actual solutions to our states issues certainly will not come out of a TOPIX discussion board or the ramblings of a self identified over educated SUPER smart person with no answers from Texas that gets his twelve year old panties in a bunch because he had to pay a 2 dollar toll while visiting mommy and daddy. A person who HATES taxes yet how would a road be paid for if there where no tolls? Its hypocritical and right there is the entertainment value in it all.:)
You finally had a good idea in the first line (re: flat tax).

Then you went off into crazy mode again.

How would roads be paid for without ridiculously high tolls? THE SAME WAY THEY ARE PAID FOR IN TEXAS AND ABOUT 47 OTHER STATES WITHOUT THE OBSCENE TOLLS.

Have you not read anything I said? I not only complained about the unreasonably high tolls on the Thruway (among the highest in the country), I also mentioned that just about every state in the Union had BETTER roads than the Thruway. Even dirt poor, backward states like Mississippi do a better job than NYS. I don't know what Cuomo and his cronies are doing with all that toll money from the Thruway, but they sure as HELL aren't using it to maintain the road. The Thruway is an EMBARRASSMENT. Fix the corruption, lower the tolls, and you'll have a good first start.

BTW, don't take my word for it, hop in your car and drive the (pot hole filled, bumpy) Thruway. Then drive through Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Kentucky, Tennessee, Florida, CT, Georgia, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Indiana and see how nice the roads are, with almost no toll roads (and those tolls that do exist are far more reasonable than on the Thruway).

Hell, even PA, OH, VT, NH, which have pretty poor roads, are better than the Thruway.

The only explanations are CORRUPTION or diversion of funds (e.g. Thruway tolls are being used to fund New York's extremely generous welfare programs).

Don't get upset when a former resident tells you why he left, DO SOMETHING to get those people to stay. And it ain't just "old" 50-ish folks like me who are leaving. I guarantee a bunch of the young folks who finish college this year will do the same.

The "brain drain" in upstate NY started long before I left, and continues even today.

Don't bitch about the people who leave, FIX IT so they'll want to stay!
Bobby Oliveira

Clifton Park, NY

#143 May 27, 2014
My team and I are in negotiations with three different agencies concerning the thruway. Because of the sensitive nature of the discussions I can not comment further at this time.
libertarian asz wipe

Whitesboro, NY

#144 May 28, 2014
Libertarian, when u left N.Y. you forget to take your brain with you. You are clueless.
The Facts

Whitesboro, NY

#145 May 29, 2014
Dave wrote:
The thruway is inVERY poor shape. I also have to question where the high tolls are being used because it isn't being spent on the upkeep of the thruway.
If the Thruway is in bad shape it's because of the thousands of 18 wheelers that run it day after day. The Authority wanted to raise tolls on trucker's because THEY ARE THE ONES TEARING IT UP! But Cuomo put the hammer down denying the toll hike after he bowed to the trucking industry who contributed a fortune to his campaign.
Truth

Utica, NY

#147 May 29, 2014
The Facts wrote:
<quoted text>If the Thruway is in bad shape it's because of the thousands of 18 wheelers that run it day after day. The Authority wanted to raise tolls on trucker's because THEY ARE THE ONES TEARING IT UP! But Cuomo put the hammer down denying the toll hike after he bowed to the trucking industry who contributed a fortune to his campaign.
The NYSTA wanted to raise tolls on everyone because revenue didn't match projections during and after the economic downturn. Less people were using the thruway for business and pleasure. Supply and demand kicked in. In the real world a business cuts costs in order to stay viable. In the public sector world of the NYSTA they raise prices. That's just wrong and counterproductive.

The cost of transporting goods on the thruway is one of the many things that makes New York the least business friendly state in the U.S. More than 95% of the U.S. Interstate Highway System (of which the New York State Thruway is part) is funded by the federal gas tax. Because New York charges tolls it forfeits federal gas tax revenue. We in New York have the longest stretch of toll road in the interstate system. We pay both the gas tax and the tolls. That's just wrong and counterproductive.

Don't you suppose that the trucking industry might boycott the thruway if tolls were cost prohibitive? Where do you suppose they would go? Probably the secondary roads like routes 5 & 20. What happens when those same 18 wheelers tear up those roads and the traffic on those roads put an additional burden on already hurting counties and communities along those roads.

Tear down the toll plazas and take the tolls off the thruway. Fund all maintenance and improvements with the federal gas tax revenue. Let canal users pay for use of the canals. Abolish the New York State Thruway Authority and cede maintenance and jurisdiction authority for US Interstate Routes 87 & 90 to the NYSDOT.
3 and out

Whitesboro, NY

#148 May 29, 2014
Look, I got 3 yrs. to go till retirement. After that you can shove the thruway up your asses. Till then keep it the way it is. Don't like it? Tough shit.

Since: May 11

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#149 May 31, 2014
Stupid Drivers wrote:
If you don't like it, don't use the Thruway!
It's worth paying a few bucks not to have to deal with stoplights, or getting stuck behind Jeb in his pickup truck going 30mph everywhere.
Most other states have interstates in FAR BETTER CONDITION than the Thruway, with no tolls.

BTW, the tolls were originally scheduled to end in the mid 1970s.
Lib Stiffs

Whitesboro, NY

#150 May 31, 2014
libertarian4321 wrote:
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Most other states have interstates in FAR BETTER CONDITION than the Thruway, with no tolls.
BTW, the tolls were originally scheduled to end in the mid 1970s.
Oh yea? Name one. Look idiot, the thwy is paid for by people who use it. Why should my taxes be used to subsidy stiffs like you who are tighter than a coat of paint on a wall? If u don't want to pay tolls than don't use the damn highway. Use 20 or 5 and save a few pennies for your piggy bank.

Penny pincher eating Ramen for dinner bitching about a toll!
Lib Hanes Skid Mark

Whitesboro, NY

#151 May 31, 2014
How's that Ramen?

Utica Lies and Riggies

Since: May 14

Sedona, AZ

#152 May 31, 2014
Lib Stiffs wrote:
<quoted text>Oh yea? Name one. Look idiot, the thwy is paid for by people who use it. Why should my taxes be used to subsidy stiffs like you who are tighter than a coat of paint on a wall? If u don't want to pay tolls than don't use the damn highway. Use 20 or 5 and save a few pennies for your piggy bank.
Penny pincher eating Ramen for dinner bitching about a toll!
Ok. Route 17. I just drove it Wednesday from phoenix to sedona and then sedona to flagstaff today. Three lanes each way. 7 right outside of phoenix. Not a single toll in sight. Would you like another?
Benedict Cumberbatch

United States

#153 Jun 4, 2014
Lib Stiffs wrote:
<quoted text>Oh yea? Name one. Look idiot, the thwy is paid for by people who use it.
Have you ever been out of NY?

Since: May 11

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#154 Jun 29, 2014
Lib Stiffs wrote:
<quoted text>Oh yea? Name one. Look idiot, the thwy is paid for by people who use it. Why should my taxes be used to subsidy stiffs like you who are tighter than a coat of paint on a wall? If u don't want to pay tolls than don't use the damn highway. Use 20 or 5 and save a few pennies for your piggy bank.
Penny pincher eating Ramen for dinner bitching about a toll!
Clearly, you are a local doofus who has never been out of NY State. You probably think going to Buffalo is a trip to the "big city."

Hell, son, ANY interstate in Texas is better than the Thruway. Without exception. And Texas has 10+ times the amount of interstate highway that NY has (NY is a very small state).

You are an uneducated doofus who has never gone anywhere, so you don't know how bad NY is. I get it, when I was a kid, before I'd been anywhere, I thought NY was great. But once I grew up and went to other states, and other nations, I realized that was NOT the case.

NY pays RIDICULOUSLY high income taxes, ridiculously high gas taxes (supposed to go for highways) and tolls on top of that.

What do you get? SHITTY highways. The NY Thruway is the main highway in NY, and it's a MESS. I recently traveled in NY, and they have patched up the area between Buffalo and the PA state line (finally), but even with those repairs, it's still among the worst.

You pay FAR more than most states, and you have far worse highways. Even someone of your clearly limited intellect should be able to understand that you are NOT GETTING WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

Seriously, genius, try driving any interstate in Texas, Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, or even broke-ass back woods Mississippi and tell me that the Thruway is better.

Oh yeah, and in those states, THERE ARE NO TOLLS, and no high gas taxes, like you have in NY.

New Yorkers are GETTING RIPPED OFF, but are too stupid to see it.

You pay high income taxes, high gas taxes, and get tolled on top of that, yet your interstates are among the worst (if not the worst*) in the country.

You are getting SCREWED.

*Based on my last trip, with the recent Thruway repairs, I might rate the highways in NY SLIGHTLY better than Louisiana, and maybe competitive with PA, but that ain't sayin' much.

Because at least the shitty roads in LA and PA are FREE.

Since: May 11

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#155 Jun 29, 2014
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Benedict Cumberbatch wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever been out of NY?
Exactly.

Hell, I'm a native New Yorker, but I'm not freakin' blind.

I can kick in the cruise control and travel 80 mph all freakin' day in Texas, on smooth roads, with 3+ lanes, AND NO DAMNED TOLLS (and with low gas taxes). In NY, the Thruway is OLD, bumpy, and only two narrow lanes- like it hasn't been improved since people were driving Studebakers.

Damn, folks, I know people in upstate NY don't get out much, but for once in your life, try going beyond the borders of NY. You'll see what I mean in no time.
Truth

Herkimer, NY

#156 Jun 29, 2014
Lib Stiffs wrote:
<quoted text>Oh yea? Name one. Look idiot, the thwy is paid for by people who use it. Why should my taxes be used to subsidy stiffs like you who are tighter than a coat of paint on a wall? If u don't want to pay tolls than don't use the damn highway. Use 20 or 5 and save a few pennies for your piggy bank.
Penny pincher eating Ramen for dinner bitching about a toll!
You just don't get it.

We(users of the thruway) pay both. More than 95% of the U.S. Interstate system is supported and maintained using proceeds from the federal gas tax. We all pay that on every gallon of gas we buy. We also pay the tolls.

The way it works now is that states have the option. They can accept the kickback on the federal gas tax or they can toll their portion of interstate. New York chose the tolls so New Yorkers do not see benefit from the federal gas tax we all pay. That means our tax money is going to subsidize the U. S. Interstate Highway System in other states but not ours.

Do a little research before posting such ignorant comments.

Utica Lies and Riggies

Since: May 14

Clifton Park, NY

#158 Jun 29, 2014
Benedict Cumberbatch wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever been out of NY?
It's easy to pick out the people who have never traveled.

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