No tolls on thruway
LiveFromMomsBase ment

Oriskany, NY

#25 Oct 21, 2013
Dear Gov Andrew - the NYS thruway still has tolls when there was all this promise of no more tolls?

Andy Says: Well, my limousine isn't going to pay for itself. Someone has to afford the bullet proof windows and reinforced body.

Dear Gov. Andrew - So do you see the thruway ever being toll free?

Andy says: They have a toll free phone number.

Dear Gov. Andrew - That's not what I meant, I mean the driving tolls, would you ever propose the tolls be cancelled since the thruway is paid for.

Andy says: We must work together to reduce our dependency on foreign oil.

Dear Gov. Andrew - That's just campaign rhetoric!

Andy says: And that's your opinion that it's rhetoric. If you aren't on board with us, you're against us!

Dear Gov. Andrew - You are amazing! I'm asking questions and you haven't given a coherent answer to any but deflect and change the subject.

Andy says: Excuse me but it's time for me to stand in front of my bedroom mirror playing air guitar to Van Halen. Class dismissed! Hot for teacher! Yow! Oh my god!
steven O

Herkimer, NY

#26 Oct 21, 2013
libertarian4321 wrote:
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Most states have interstate highways that are BETTER than the Thruway, and have no tolls.
When I visited my family in central NY a couple of months ago, I was SHOCKED at the wretched condition of the Thruway- it was the worst maintained interstate I drove on (slightly worse than the interstates in PA, KY, and OH, and FAR worse than those in Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, VA, and others.
Yeah, that's right, the roads in dirt poor, backward Mississippi are far better than in NY.
You pay ridiculously high income taxes, you pay ridiculously high gas taxes (supposedly for roads), you pay outrageous tolls, and the road is one of the worst in the nation. That's embarrassing.
Where is all the money going?
BTW, the interstates in all those other states are mostly FREE.
Just one of the many reasons I no longer live in upstate NY.


Did you know they have airplanes now? You don't have to drive all over the country.. Stop being so cheap and pay the few dollars you left wing nut bag.. Bend over... here comes the change!
NY Driver

Ithaca, NY

#27 Oct 21, 2013
I have to pay money to drive on roads?!?!?! Thanks a lot Obama!
Dam

Massena, NY

#28 Oct 21, 2013
Is there anything Obama isn't responsoble for?
Really Stupid

Utica, NY

#29 Oct 22, 2013
The Thruway will always be a "toll road" as it is the main source of funding for NY State Trooper's payroll. To eliminate the tolls would create a huge increase to already overtaxed NY state residents.

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#30 Oct 22, 2013
Really Stupid wrote:
The Thruway will always be a "toll road" as it is the main source of funding for NY State Trooper's payroll. To eliminate the tolls would create a huge increase to already overtaxed NY state residents.
The tolls collected are supposed to be for upkeep and improvement of the Thruway, and now, the Canal.
Truth

Utica, NY

#31 Oct 22, 2013
Really Stupid wrote:
The Thruway will always be a "toll road" as it is the main source of funding for NY State Trooper's payroll. To eliminate the tolls would create a huge increase to already overtaxed NY state residents.
If the tolls were taken off Interstates 87 and 90 in New York they would become eligible for federal funds (we don't get now) resulting from federal gas taxes just like the 96% of the US Interstate Highway System that is not tolled. So no, we probably wouldn't see a huge tax increase as a result. we shouldn't anyway.
Tolls pay for

United States

#32 Oct 22, 2013
Really Stupid wrote:
The Thruway will always be a "toll road" as it is the main source of funding for NY State Trooper's payroll. To eliminate the tolls would create a huge increase to already overtaxed NY state residents.
Your tolls also pay for rich people to transport their boats in the canal.
State vs Federal

United States

#33 Oct 22, 2013
NY Driver wrote:
I have to pay money to drive on roads?!?!?! Thanks a lot Obama!
New York State has tolls for State roads. Obama is the President of United States; he is not the Governor of New York. Just clarifying this for you.
Article from the 80s

United States

#34 Oct 22, 2013
NYTimes.com - 1982
Starting in 1996, motorists in New York State will be able to use the Gov. Thomas E. Dewey Thruway without paying tolls, under the terms of an agreement signed here today by representatives of the Federal Highway Trust and state officials.

The annual saving for truck and passenger car owners, assuming tolls in 1996 would be the same as now, would be $155 million. Under the agreement, the Federal Government will contribute $9.8 million next year and more in subsequent years to repair and rehabilitate the 559-mile road linking New York City, Albany and Buffalo. In the next 14 years, the total Washington contribution to repairing the Thruway may reach $550 million, officials said.

Bonds Will Be Paid in 1996

In return, the New York State Thruway Authority agreed that in 1996, when all its bonds are paid off, it would recommend to the State Legislature that the authority be abolished and the road be made toll free.

Under the terms of the agreement, if the Legislature does not eliminate the tolls, it must repay to the Federal Government all funds contributed by the Highway Trust. Officials here said such a repayment was most unlikely.

''New York's dream of a toll-free state Thruway will at long last come true,'' said Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who introduced the bill in Congress to make the agreement possible.

The Democratic Senator spoke during a brief ceremony at the Thruway headquarters here, attended by Lester P. Lamm, executive director of the Federal Highway Trust; Gerald Cummins, chairman of the Thruway Authority, and William C. Hennessy, State Transportation Commissioner. Shift of Jurisdiction

When the tolls expire in 1996, the Thruway and its employees, now totaling 2,500, will probably come under the jurisdiction of the Transportation Department. The Thruway Authority's budget for 1982 is $183 million, which is used for operations, maintenance and redemption of bonds.

At present, Thruway tolls are about 2.5 cents a mile for passenger cars, or $8.65 for a trip from New York to Buffalo. For Buffalo to New York, the total is $1.50 higher because of the Tappan Zee Bridge eastbound toll.

A possibility under the agreement signed today is that the bridge toll, too, will be eliminated in 1996

"THIS ARTICLE IS FROM THE 80'S"
Truth

Herkimer, NY

#35 Oct 23, 2013
Article from the 80s wrote:
NYTimes.com - 1982
Starting in 1996, motorists in New York State will be able to use the Gov. Thomas E. Dewey Thruway without paying tolls, under the terms of an agreement signed here today by representatives of the Federal Highway Trust and state officials.
..........
Thank you. Geat article.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#36 Oct 29, 2013
Bianca de Passe wrote:
I have driven from Seattle to Boston on Interstate 90 and the worst maintained portion of the road is the New York State Thruway. It is also the most expensive.
The tolls on the Thruway have significantly contributed to the decline of industry in Upstate New York.
Yup.

It's almost criminal the way New Yorkers are getting ripped off with high taxes and high use fees, only to have one of the worst interstate highways in the USA (if not the worst).
Truth

Utica, NY

#37 Oct 29, 2013
Assemblyman Mark Butler was questioned about this topic on the "Talk of the Town" radio show. He seemed(is) oblivious to the fact that 96% of the US Interstate System that the Thruway is part of, is funded by federal gas taxes and that we in New York are being double-billed. We pay the gas taxes and the tolls.

If a New York State assemblyman is that clueless on the subject then how can anyone expect that a change can be made?

-Take the tolls off the Thruway.

-Abolish the NYSTA.

-Roll necessary NYSTA personnel over to NYSDOT.

-Collect the federal gas tax money we(New York State taxpayers) don't get now because the Thruway is tolled.

-Cede responsibility for the Thruway to the NYSDOT.

The NYS Thruway tolls are just another of the reasons why New York State taxpayers have to pay bribes to businesses to locate here.
detest the Thruway

New York, NY

#38 Oct 29, 2013
One of the biggest negative effects of the Thruway is how it deprives local communities along its route from benefitting from the business of travelers / motorists.

Elsewhere in the country on "free" interstates you have very busy interchanges with easy on/easy off access and all manner of services catering to the traveler -- fuel, hotels, and a wide range of restaurants from Wendy's to Chili's, you name it, many of them invitingly advertised on billboards.

Not only do those localized economic engines provide jobs and local taxes to the communities, they make the area more attractive to live in, hence more people = improved community economy.

Not in NY. With the Thruway we have:

-- Toll booths that make it inconvenient to get off and on the Thruway

-- Prohibition on billboard advertisting, so that businesses in local communities can't even advertise the hotels, restaurants and gas stations available at an exit

-- Service islands that hold motorists captive to a limited selection of overpriced offerings

Every community along the Thruway, say Utica and Amsterdam and Catskill, you name it, suffers as a result.

The Thruway is a corrupt, cynical institution that can and should be eradicated. Shame on NYS legislators for failing to stand up for their local communities and motorists to abolish the abomination that is the Thruway.
Truth

Utica, NY

#39 Oct 29, 2013
detest the Thruway wrote:
One of the biggest negative effects of the Thruway is how it deprives local communities along its route from benefitting from the business of travelers / motorists.
Elsewhere in the country on "free" interstates you have very busy interchanges with easy on/easy off access and all manner of services catering to the traveler -- fuel, hotels, and a wide range of restaurants from Wendy's to Chili's, you name it, many of them invitingly advertised on billboards.
Not only do those localized economic engines provide jobs and local taxes to the communities, they make the area more attractive to live in, hence more people = improved community economy.
Not in NY. With the Thruway we have:
-- Toll booths that make it inconvenient to get off and on the Thruway
-- Prohibition on billboard advertisting, so that businesses in local communities can't even advertise the hotels, restaurants and gas stations available at an exit
-- Service islands that hold motorists captive to a limited selection of overpriced offerings
Every community along the Thruway, say Utica and Amsterdam and Catskill, you name it, suffers as a result.
The Thruway is a corrupt, cynical institution that can and should be eradicated. Shame on NYS legislators for failing to stand up for their local communities and motorists to abolish the abomination that is the Thruway.
Great point.
detest the Thruway

New York, NY

#40 Oct 29, 2013
between the trucking industry lobby and consumer organizations, you'd think there would be a concerted and relatively well financed effort to get rid of the Thruway.

but it seems there's not even a website that highlights the case for abolishing the NYS Thruway.

www.abolishtheNYSThruway.org would be a good start.

that's not a real link so don't bother clicking -- but it would be a good start.
detest the Thruway

New York, NY

#41 Oct 29, 2013
Needless to say, the prohibition on billboard advertising on the NYS Thruway is cynically intended to maximize traffic into Thruway service islands and deter people from getting off the highway, where their dollars would boost the economy of a local community.

It's contemptible.

It's even more contemptible in 2013 (vs. say 1981) with so many local communities today in profound economic distress after the decades-long decline in manufacturing and other decent jobs -- few jobs, high taxes, diminishing tax base, municipal debt and the flight of youth because there is no work and no future.

Thanks, NYS Thruway!
left turns all day

Whitesboro, NY

#42 Oct 30, 2013
Really Stupid wrote:
The Thruway will always be a "toll road" as it is the main source of funding for NY State Trooper's payroll. To eliminate the tolls would create a huge increase to already overtaxed NY state residents.
Wish I was a Trooper assigned to Troop T so I can make 'left turns' all day long.

What a boring life. Gary Busey would agree:
Bada Bing

Oriskany, NY

#43 Oct 30, 2013
They pay you if you drive in reverse.
Burt

New York, NY

#44 Oct 30, 2013
We will all be paying by miles traveled within a few years your own cars black box will report the mileage and autowithdraw the mileage fees. And if you go over the speed limit it will auto fine your account right then.

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