New Gay Owned Bar in Utica Does Not W...

New Gay Owned Bar in Utica Does Not Want Gay Customers!

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Marcus

Skaneateles, NY

#1 Mar 29, 2011
I find it a bit strange and unusual that the owners of a recently opened bar in Utica, "Strut", are discouraging gay people from entering their bar. How can they justify not wanting people like themselves in their business? If they were black, would it not be the same as a black owner not allowing black people there? This is totally ridiculous, and if they keep this up I am sure this place will be history once the newness and novelty wears off.
Pole Climbers

New York, NY

#3 Mar 29, 2011
Marcus wrote:
I find it a bit strange and unusual that the owners of a recently opened bar in Utica, "Strut", are discouraging gay people from entering their bar. How can they justify not wanting people like themselves in their business? If they were black, would it not be the same as a black owner not allowing black people there? This is totally ridiculous, and if they keep this up I am sure this place will be history once the newness and novelty wears off.
I don't blame them, gay men are offensive! Now lesbians, that's a different story altogether.
wrong

New York, NY

#4 Mar 29, 2011
Marcus wrote:
I find it a bit strange and unusual that the owners of a recently opened bar in Utica, "Strut", are discouraging gay people from entering their bar. How can they justify not wanting people like themselves in their business? If they were black, would it not be the same as a black owner not allowing black people there? This is totally ridiculous, and if they keep this up I am sure this place will be history once the newness and novelty wears off.
thats funny , because some friends and I went there (we were unaware that it IS A GAY bar) and it was FILLED with ONLY GAY guys (several were making out with each other). the four of us were the only straight people in the place.
fun

Utica, NY

#5 Mar 29, 2011
where is it?

Since: Feb 11

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#6 Mar 29, 2011
Well golly gee. I go there all the time to fullfill my shemale asseating urges. I always see my hubby X-Pat sitting in the corner with a chubby. He loves shemales but he loves to watch men.
RAINinSYR

Herkimer, NY

#7 Mar 29, 2011
REALLY ??
noo

Herkimer, NY

#8 Mar 30, 2011
Marcus wrote:
I find it a bit strange and unusual that the owners of a recently opened bar in Utica, "Strut", are discouraging gay people from entering their bar. How can they justify not wanting people like themselves in their business? If they were black, would it not be the same as a black owner not allowing black people there? This is totally ridiculous, and if they keep this up I am sure this place will be history once the newness and novelty wears off.
Actually it makes PERFECT sense if you actually sit back and think about it... a black guy knows his people are thieves, liars, and animals. So obviously, yes, he is not going to want other black people in his bar robbing them, and selling coke in the bathroom.

Just like the gay owner doesn't want any gay men scaring away his straight customers, or hitting on them. or having his bar transformed into a gay bar without his consent.

You wouldn't want straight people in your gay bar trying to hit on all the lesbians would you?
lez bean

Utica, NY

#9 Mar 30, 2011
noo wrote:
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Actually it makes PERFECT sense if you actually sit back and think about it... a black guy knows his people are thieves, liars, and animals. So obviously, yes, he is not going to want other black people in his bar robbing them, and selling coke in the bathroom.
Just like the gay owner doesn't want any gay men scaring away his straight customers, or hitting on them. or having his bar transformed into a gay bar without his consent.
You wouldn't want straight people in your gay bar trying to hit on all the lesbians would you?
Straight men can hit on me all they want, like a fly at a picnic. Annoying. I love my gay boys !
lez bean

Utica, NY

#10 Mar 30, 2011
Marcus wrote:
I find it a bit strange and unusual that the owners of a recently opened bar in Utica, "Strut", are discouraging gay people from entering their bar. How can they justify not wanting people like themselves in their business? If they were black, would it not be the same as a black owner not allowing black people there? This is totally ridiculous, and if they keep this up I am sure this place will be history once the newness and novelty wears off.
Marcus/Jenny, what's your real beef with this place ? It's not a 'gay' bar. Labeling a place only limits your client base. It is refreshing to have a nice bar that welcomes PEOPLE. Period.
Marcus

Cazenovia, NY

#11 Mar 30, 2011
lez bean wrote:
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Marcus/Jenny, what's your real beef with this place ? It's not a 'gay' bar. Labeling a place only limits your client base. It is refreshing to have a nice bar that welcomes PEOPLE. Period.
Yes, exactly! That is my point. "It would be refreshing to have a bar that welcomes people." All kinds of people. It is bad when a bar shuts out certain types of people. That is what discrimination is. When they actively choose to exclude a certain kind of person, they are discriminating. And the irony of all this is that both owners of this bar are openly gay, yet they are discouraging other openly gay people from patronizing their establishment. Makes no sense at all to me.
Black Man

Herkimer, NY

#12 Apr 2, 2011
Let me put it to you this way.... They have gay bars, for gay people... how many straight people do you think go in there to hang out? Maybe one or two as a joke with their friends. Now straight people are allowed in, they just dont go.

Now how can you hate on a guy if he wants to have a straight bar, where mostly straight people hang out, and maybe 1 gay person comes in once and awhile, same as a straight person in a gay bar.

How can you get mad at that? Getting upset at that makes you the discriminator, it's ok for people to have gay bars, but not straight bars?
Bastet

Utica, NY

#13 Apr 2, 2011
They have kicked out gay couples for making out....too much PDA. They would probably kick out heteros doing the same. They are not advertising so that their clientel will be from word of mouth.....trying to keep riff-raff out and keep things upscale.
lez bean

Utica, NY

#14 Apr 2, 2011
just was there earlier. clean, classy. straight and gay "looking" folk . lets all get along !!
Joe

Whitesboro, NY

#15 Apr 2, 2011
Black Man wrote:
Let me put it to you this way.... They have gay bars, for gay people... how many straight people do you think go in there to hang out? Maybe one or two as a joke with their friends. Now straight people are allowed in, they just dont go.
Now how can you hate on a guy if he wants to have a straight bar, where mostly straight people hang out, and maybe 1 gay person comes in once and awhile, same as a straight person in a gay bar.
How can you get mad at that? Getting upset at that makes you the discriminator, it's ok for people to have gay bars, but not straight bars?
I think the issue here is one of hipocracy. The owners are openly gay, yet they are discouraging gay people from coming into their establishment. There is something terribly wrong with that. They should be encouraging gay folks, not making them feel unwanted. This is the sort of thing that gay people have been fighting since Stonewall. In many large cities, the gay bars are packed with people. Gay customers are very loyal, but if you piss them off, they will turn against you. I think if these two out of towners keep up this kind of behavior, there bar will be shortlived.
lez bean

Utica, NY

#17 Apr 3, 2011
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>I think the issue here is one of hipocracy. The owners are openly gay, yet they are discouraging gay people from coming into their establishment. There is something terribly wrong with that. They should be encouraging gay folks, not making them feel unwanted. This is the sort of thing that gay people have been fighting since Stonewall. In many large cities, the gay bars are packed with people. Gay customers are very loyal, but if you piss them off, they will turn against you. I think if these two out of towners keep up this kind of behavior, there bar will be shortlived.
why do you think they discourage gays ? just bc they dont have pride colors hanging out front ? seriously, why ?
changed

Baldwinsville, NY

#18 Apr 3, 2011
read the thread. they kicked out a transgender person and threatened to call the police as well as asking two males not to kiss on the premises.
Yankee

Brooklyn, NY

#19 Apr 3, 2011
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>I think the issue here is one of hipocracy. The owners are openly gay, yet they are discouraging gay people from coming into their establishment. There is something terribly wrong with that. They should be encouraging gay folks, not making them feel unwanted. This is the sort of thing that gay people have been fighting since Stonewall. In many large cities, the gay bars are packed with people. Gay customers are very loyal, but if you piss them off, they will turn against you. I think if these two out of towners keep up this kind of behavior, there bar will be shortlived.
Gay bars in large cities are packed with people, you say. So, good. Go there.

The owners of this place have the right to attract, and discourage, whatever clientele they wish.
Utican

Whitesboro, NY

#20 Apr 3, 2011
First of all, most of you are posting that you aren't even from Utica, so go worry about your own cities business. And secondly, the bar is a bar. The owners have not said "gays only" or "straight people only" it is a bar. It is a social setting for people to go and have drinks or dance or do whatever you do at any other bar. So really we should just be saying thank you, Strut, for bringing a drama free place to socialize in this drowning city that no one else wanted to do anything with.
Utican

Whitesboro, NY

#21 Apr 3, 2011
And I am from Utica, I don't know why it posts Syracuse NY
Joe

Syracuse, NY

#22 Apr 3, 2011
Yankee wrote:
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Gay bars in large cities are packed with people, you say. So, good. Go there.
The owners of this place have the right to attract, and discourage, whatever clientele they wish.
They may have the right to attract and discourage as long as they do not discriminate due to sexual orientation, religion, gender, etc. Discrimination is not legal. The issue here is that they are guilty of discriminatory practices towards people of a certain sexual orientation. They are free, for example, to make the bar upscale with prices to match in order to attract lawyers, while at the same time discouraging truck drivers. They are not free to allow only Catholics and prohibit entry to Jews, for example. And to add insult to injury, the owners of this bar make no secret that they are openly gay, and would most likely to be the first to complain if someone were to discriminate against them the exact same way they are discriminating towards certain customers.

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