Is the mafia still in Utica?
Old school Buffalo Guy

Hoffman Estates, IL

#152 Jul 1, 2012
It's not a yes or no answer, and some of the names I see tossed about on this subject make me laugh. Don't confuse victims with associates or associates with actual made guys.

The idea that the idiot grandson of a former country club owner who is half polish is even as associate, much less a made guy is a friggin funny. These mooks who used to change the oil in their cars in Proctor park and hang out at Whitey's and "the brink" in the early 80s connected today? What a joke.

There are associates and at least one made guy in Utica as we speak,but they are under the radar and their main function is to collect juice from the Bosnians, from the bricks and from the few Italian and Medigons still operating and kicking it up to either Pittston or Orchard park
Old school Buffalo Guy

Hoffman Estates, IL

#153 Jul 1, 2012
Carcones', father and son were "used" in crimianl conspiracy becasue neither had a brain.
B.Carcone had a great job early years working for Burgess oil and blew that job,then he became desparate and took to a life of petty crime,Sadly,he allowed his son to follow his footsteps right into prison.
Carcones were the furthest thing from gangsters or organized.These guys and those like them were never and could never be gangsters becasue they could not make the sacrifice that needs to be made to be a "wiseguy" These guys wanted to be family men,daddy's,grandpa' and respected by all,it don't work that way.

I would be VERY careful about saying that in public my friend. First of all you know shit, Benny was one of the most capable stand up guys I ever knew. In the late 60s and 70s he could go anywhere in NY city, Sranton, Buffalo, Philly, or Chicago and be known and respected. A fact lost to Mafia history is that Benny got a sit down with Tony Ducks in NY representing Buffalo that might have prevented the A&B wars in Rochester and 90% of the blood bath in Utica that spilled over. Ducks wouldn't take the case to the commission saying it was "small potatoes" and "no one cares who runs those cow towns"...he changed his tune a few years later when Luccase family business suffered because of it.

His stint in the Falange crew in the 80s was a giant step DOWN from where he was 15 years earlier and they came to HIM, he didn't go to THEM.

AS for Russ, you're right, I knew him since we were kids and he lacked everything it took be be a right guy, he was a mamma's boy. His sister had more balls then him
What

Ithaca, NY

#154 Jul 1, 2012
You tell em rock
Old school Buffalo Guy

Hoffman Estates, IL

#155 Jul 1, 2012
Rock? Close, but not quite, but that is a compliment
mr banana peel

United States

#156 Jul 2, 2012
Old school Buffalo Guy wrote:
Rock? Close, but not quite, but that is a compliment
give us another hint old school...you sound like u do know what your talking about.
Old School Buffalo Guy

Hoffman Estates, IL

#157 Jul 2, 2012
mr banana peel wrote:
<quoted text>
give us another hint old school...you sound like u do know what your talking about.
I was just a cog in the machine for a few years, I grew up surrounded by the life and as a young adult sought it out. Utica, Buffalo,Rochester NY city, Providence and Scranton/Pittston, but always waving a Buffalo loyalist banner. I was a grunt in the Alphabet wars but stayed out of the 3rd avenue-Bleaker street wars because I had mixed feelings and divided loyalties, and at the same time thought it was the most idiotic course of action at the worse possible time. Made some money and for a few fleeting years, got to sit down with the big boys...Today, all my mentors are dead or in nursing and my peers know I am stand up, and just let me live with my business and my family. Who says you can't get out alive?
abc

Massena, NY

#158 Jul 2, 2012
alive and well
Old School Buffalo Guy

Hoffman Estates, IL

#159 Jul 2, 2012
abc wrote:
alive and well
Alive and well indeed my friend, which as they say, is the best revenge
mmmhmm

United States

#160 Jul 2, 2012
Yes yes and yes
growing up in Utica

United States

#161 Aug 9, 2012
As an African American child growing up in Utica, I heard horror stories about the mob from my grandmother in the mid 60's .

Like the black guy who got an Italian girl pregnant..I wanta say in the 40's or 50's. Her two brothers killed the father of the child and chopped him up . Grandma said the crime scene was like what we see in movies today, a BLOODY MAYHAM.

Grandma said the brothers were connected. Does anyone
recall that story and what happenetd to the brothers that committed the crime ?
growing up in Utica

United States

#162 Aug 9, 2012
PS .

Is the MAFIA alive and well today . I say yes.

We should all be careful of who you piss off in this town .



BE NICE ........

Goomba

Manlius, NY

#163 Aug 9, 2012
The real Mafia is gone in Utica. They are either dead or in prison. Believe me. The only ones left here are the wannabe's......
annabelle

Penn Yan, NY

#164 Aug 9, 2012
Old School Buffalo Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
I was just a cog in the machine for a few years, I grew up surrounded by the life and as a young adult sought it out. Utica, Buffalo,Rochester NY city, Providence and Scranton/Pittston, but always waving a Buffalo loyalist banner. I was a grunt in the Alphabet wars but stayed out of the 3rd avenue-Bleaker street wars because I had mixed feelings and divided loyalties, and at the same time thought it was the most idiotic course of action at the worse possible time. Made some money and for a few fleeting years, got to sit down with the big boys...Today, all my mentors are dead or in nursing and my peers know I am stand up, and just let me live with my business and my family. Who says you can't get out alive?
I hope you're working on that book OSBG!!!!
shack

Castle Rock, CO

#165 Aug 10, 2012
annabelle wrote:
<quoted text>I hope you're working on that book OSBG!!!!
its joe deeb
Kyle

Wichita, KS

#166 Sep 6, 2012
I had written earlier about living on Pond Lane in Utica and being friends with Anthony and Johnny Anastasia. I also was friends with a couple of girls up the street by the names of Stella and Benita Carcone and I think they also had a brother who I really didn't interact with much. Are they related to the Bennie Carcone that you guys have been talking about? Another name that comes to mind is Guerrio or Guerro who lived next door to the Carcones. I was only 12-13 years old at the time when I lived there in 1962-63, so I had no clue what was going on until I was alot older and had left the area.
Old school Buffalo Guy wrote:
Carcones', father and son were "used" in crimianl conspiracy becasue neither had a brain.
B.Carcone had a great job early years working for Burgess oil and blew that job,then he became desparate and took to a life of petty crime,Sadly,he allowed his son to follow his footsteps right into prison.
Carcones were the furthest thing from gangsters or organized.These guys and those like them were never and could never be gangsters becasue they could not make the sacrifice that needs to be made to be a "wiseguy" These guys wanted to be family men,daddy's,grandpa' and respected by all,it don't work that way.
I would be VERY careful about saying that in public my friend. First of all you know shit, Benny was one of the most capable stand up guys I ever knew. In the late 60s and 70s he could go anywhere in NY city, Sranton, Buffalo, Philly, or Chicago and be known and respected. A fact lost to Mafia history is that Benny got a sit down with Tony Ducks in NY representing Buffalo that might have prevented the A&B wars in Rochester and 90% of the blood bath in Utica that spilled over. Ducks wouldn't take the case to the commission saying it was "small potatoes" and "no one cares who runs those cow towns"...he changed his tune a few years later when Luccase family business suffered because of it.
His stint in the Falange crew in the 80s was a giant step DOWN from where he was 15 years earlier and they came to HIM, he didn't go to THEM.
AS for Russ, you're right, I knew him since we were kids and he lacked everything it took be be a right guy, he was a mamma's boy. His sister had more balls then him
Rancho

United States

#167 Sep 6, 2012
I don't want anybody else. When I think about you I touch myself
bensonhurst

Utica, NY

#168 Sep 6, 2012
hey old school,does the name Toddo sound familiar to you? would be interested in your honest response.
blah blah

New York, NY

#169 Sep 7, 2012
Only mafia left is wannabee's and fake ass scumbag itailians! Lmao what a joke this topic is
bensonhurst

Utica, NY

#170 Sep 7, 2012
only someone who has real insight from afew years back would know who Toddo is. Im not saying there aint nobody that know of Toddo. Im saying that if you do you must go back some.Hardly think anyone from utica would know.
Yep

Philadelphia, PA

#171 Sep 7, 2012
Toddo sold heroin.

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