Common Core: Too Hot in the Kitchen

Common Core: Too Hot in the Kitchen

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Curious

West Sand Lake, NY

#2 Oct 12, 2013
The Truth always hurts. He totally disrespected the parents at the meeting in whitesboro ny continually talking down to them and telling them they don't understand what the state is trying to do and that the state knows what's better for their children He didnt have answers for all the questions thrown at him. Now by canceling the remaining meetings the public will be kept in the dark as they like them to be and the crap will continue to be pushed through.
slapanut

Utica, NY

#3 Oct 12, 2013
One more public hearing gets cancelled?!? The NYS Education Commish, Bruce Karam and that fat arse blowhard Howie Mettleman from BOCES need to hold a public forum in Utica. They'll all get murdered by angry parents and teachers. Common CORE is too dangerous of a way to teach your children.
slapanut

Utica, NY

#4 Oct 12, 2013
Abolish Common CORE.... NOW!!!
Teach

Newington, CT

#5 Oct 13, 2013
The problem is not the common core. Having standards that hold teachers and students accountable is fair. The issue is that the local school districts decided to use modules as the means to teach the core. Most of the complaints I have heard are related to the modules, but are being referred to as the common core. As a teacher, my district put no thought into how to implement them. They found something and adopted it. Maybe they should have taken the time to plan it's implementation instead of jamming it down our childrens throats. They should have done a gradual installation. Start at the lower grades, K/1 and add a grade level each year. Then they complain they didn't foresee the problems they are having. They pass the buck to the state and no one ultimately is held accountable but the students and teachers. Howe can you not plan on allocating money for printing costs when text books are not used.
Strikeslip

Utica, NY

#6 Oct 14, 2013
Actually the problem IS the "Common Core" and what it represents: only the latest iteration of a long term agenda spanning years and political administrations to shift education away from transferring "knowledge" to training students to respond to "informational stimuli" in predictable ways -- like Pavlov's dogs.

NYS' then-new, "higher" standards issued about 15 years ago had the same flaw of devaluing knowledge and elevating students "performing" in a particular manner, especially performing in work groups, above all else. Many states adopted similar standards back then.

So instead of your children learning something that everyone should know, eg., the American system of government, understanding why it was set up the way it was, and understanding how it is supposed to work; they get an assignment to work in a group with other students to decide who will live and die when 10 people need medical equipment but the local hospital has only enough for 6.

Knowledge has been and will continue to be systematically withheld from students. This deprives them of the language of ideas needed to communicate with other generations, across professions, and with each other.

Without knowledge of their own, but highly trained to process it when given to them by higher authorities, they become the ideal workforce: compliant, easily manipulated, and too dumb to ask questions.

Common Core makes clear that what has been happening in our schools all over the country for years was not an accident but nationally, and perhaps globally, planned.
NY Post

Syracuse, NY

#7 Oct 14, 2013
I believe most people....kids, parents and teachers.... would be happier of Common Core was simply dumped and education returned to what it was for the past 30-40 years: inconsistent standards, teachers doing their own thing, grade inflation, and claiming we had the best educational system in the world even if we didn't.
graduate

United States

#8 Oct 14, 2013
the common core should be math,science,reading,writing.n ot this smoke and mirror stuff with hocus pocus mixed in.the intellectial elite have made things more difficult than they need ti be because they want to control the middle and lower class

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#9 Oct 14, 2013
Teach wrote:
The problem is not the common core. Having standards that hold teachers and students accountable is fair. The issue is that the local school districts decided to use modules as the means to teach the core. Most of the complaints I have heard are related to the modules, but are being referred to as the common core. As a teacher, my district put no thought into how to implement them. They found something and adopted it. Maybe they should have taken the time to plan it's implementation instead of jamming it down our childrens throats. They should have done a gradual installation. Start at the lower grades, K/1 and add a grade level each year. Then they complain they didn't foresee the problems they are having. They pass the buck to the state and no one ultimately is held accountable but the students and teachers. Howe can you not plan on allocating money for printing costs when text books are not used.
"It's implementation"? "Childrens"? "Howe"? You are a teacher? Really?
Asking

Earlville, NY

#10 Oct 14, 2013
So what's wrong with the word implementation?
Teach

Methuen, MA

#11 Oct 14, 2013
It's called typing fast on my smartphone. My apologies to the grammar police. Rather than play teacher, make an educated comment.
Liberals at Work

Tampa, FL

#12 Oct 15, 2013
Common core teachings are in many ways wrong. They try to infuse a new generation of liberal morons by distorting facts and wasting classroom time on trivial items. It is brainwashing kids by liberals. Just read how they present the facts on the second ammendment! Unreal!
Concerned

Syracuse, NY

#13 Oct 15, 2013
At the Whitesboro meeting all the teachers did is try to shout down the speaker. I am sure their Union would be very proud of them. I was not impressed with them. No wonder he cancelled the rest of the town halls, the teachers were there to disrupt not ask questions. And we wonder why are schools are failing.
get it right

Utica, NY

#14 Oct 15, 2013
First of all, the majority of speakers at Whitesboro were parents. Second, both parents and teachers, for once, share the same concerns. Common Core is a disaster. Poorly funded, rushed to implementation, and pushed by a corporate entity that has its bottom line as its only concern. Parents no longer have control of their districts; it's been usurped by both Federal and NYS agencies. As far as Dr. King's cancellations, it's just another example of SED's/his arrogance and disregard for the people he supposedly works for. Don't try to make this a union issue, although the PTA/PTO and NYSUT have formed a united and vocal coalition to take back the schools dorm Pearson and their lackeys. The commissioner won't get a friendlier audience unless he stuffs the auditorium with plants who share the same ignorance and disrespect for kids and education. And FYI, NYS schools, particularly upstate are not failing. Get your facts straight before you run your mouth. Better to keep quiet and have people think you're an idiot than speak and remove all doubt.
Truth

Utica, NY

#15 Oct 15, 2013
Is the alternative to return to the system that allowed children to be passed through the public school system and some graduate who can't read, write and do math at an elementary level?

The world is having our lunch when it comes to education. We should be leading the way.

We need Common Core or something similar to ensure that every child in America is getting the same information and graded in the same manner. We have the situation we do because teachers and administrators have had their own way and taught what they want, when they want and how they want without any real accountability. Teachers- you had your chance. You blew it. Time for a change. We need to catch up with the rest of the world.
Truth

Utica, NY

#16 Oct 15, 2013
Strikeslip wrote:
Actually the problem IS the "Common Core" and what it represents: only the latest iteration of a long term agenda spanning years and political administrations to shift education away from transferring "knowledge" to training students to respond to "informational stimuli" in predictable ways -- like Pavlov's dogs.
NYS' then-new, "higher" standards issued about 15 years ago had the same flaw of devaluing knowledge and elevating students "performing" in a particular manner, especially performing in work groups, above all else. Many states adopted similar standards back then.
So instead of your children learning something that everyone should know, eg., the American system of government, understanding why it was set up the way it was, and understanding how it is supposed to work; they get an assignment to work in a group with other students to decide who will live and die when 10 people need medical equipment but the local hospital has only enough for 6.
Knowledge has been and will continue to be systematically withheld from students. This deprives them of the language of ideas needed to communicate with other generations, across professions, and with each other.
Without knowledge of their own, but highly trained to process it when given to them by higher authorities, they become the ideal workforce: compliant, easily manipulated, and too dumb to ask questions.
Common Core makes clear that what has been happening in our schools all over the country for years was not an accident but nationally, and perhaps globally, planned.
Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous. You don't seem to have even the most basic knowledge of what Common Core is or how it was created and by whom. I suggest you review this webpage and other information on the same site:
http://www.corestandards.org/resources/freque...
http://www.corestandards.org/resources/myths-...

We are where we are because there has not been too much local control but too much teacher control. Doesn't every teacher you talk to give you the impression that they know exactly what is wrong with the education system and they know exactly what to do about it.(Their solutions more often than not have to do with more taxpayer money) A New York student is different from an Idaho student who is different from a Mississippi student......for that very reason.

There needs to be a "common core" that ensures continuity in education. Ask and college recruiter that looks at applications form different states. Ask large employers about their most common complaint being that younger workers lack the basic writing and communication skills that those that came before them always had.

As with anything new it will take time to work out the kinks in the Common Core. At the end of the day though if the goals are met then we will once again be on an upward trajectory when compared with the rest of the world and companies won't have to import "brain power".
Teach

Methuen, MA

#17 Oct 15, 2013
One basic problem with the idea that the world is passing the US by is that the vast majority of countries do not incorporate the entire population into the statistics. In some of these countries, students are identifiedearly and chosen to continue their education. The others simply learn a skill or trade. If the US did this these statistics would not be valid. Instead, we offer a free education to all students regardless of gender, ethnicity, or socio-economic status. Also, the commoncore sites mentioned above are not independent and have a built in bias.You claim everyone else in education is biased, but I have yet to see an independent organization explain how the common core is beneficial to our students. We need something, but this is not it.
Truth

Utica, NY

#18 Oct 15, 2013
Teach wrote:
One basic problem with the idea that the world is passing the US by is that the vast majority of countries do not incorporate the entire population into the statistics. In some of these countries, students are identifiedearly and chosen to continue their education. The others simply learn a skill or trade. If the US did this these statistics would not be valid. Instead, we offer a free education to all students regardless of gender, ethnicity, or socio-economic status. Also, the commoncore sites mentioned above are not independent and have a built in bias.You claim everyone else in education is biased, but I have yet to see an independent organization explain how the common core is beneficial to our students. We need something, but this is not it.
Did you read that in your union magazine?

In Finland, who leads the world in education, only the top 10% of those who apply for university to become teachers are accepted. That couldn't have anything to do with it could it?

While we were raising the AYSO soccer generation where everyone gets a trophy other countries more successful in education were examining and making their standards more rigid.

At the same time we spend more and more taxpayer money every year on education, the outcome is on the decline.

Rather than making demographic excuses the goal should be to reverse the decline regardless how we stack up against others. The Common Core at least sets goals and requires accountability. Two are things that have been sadly lacking in the public school system since they unionized.
Strikeslip

Utica, NY

#19 Oct 15, 2013
Truth, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... it is not a conspiracy theory. Common Core is nothing more than the Regents "higher" standards from 15 years ago with new clothing. Look how well those worked out!

What they have in common is an emphasis on performance and de-emphasis on knowledge.

Performance is heavily a function of maturation. Maturation cannot be taught. To try to do so (1) is a waste of time and $$$(2) is frustrating to parents and students and (3) turns many students off from school entirely. These are things that many parent Common Core critics have already caught on to.

Performance, particularly where writing is concerned, is somewhat subjective to judge. Ever look at the rubrics they've been using to judge english papers?'This is what an "A" paper looks like and here is what a "D" paper looks like'-- with the "A" and "D" being the collective subjective opinion of the people writing the rubric rather than an objective measure of what a student knows. Ask a teacher what your kid needs to go from a C to an A and you'll usually get something vague (my experience, perhaps yours is different). Students are being conditioned to being judged by the opinions of those in authority rather than objectively by what they know.

I agree with you, Truth, that we need standards, and, although I disagree totally with Federal involvement in education since it was not a power delegated to the national government by the Constitution, agreement among states on national standards is a good thing.

But the standards should be based on knowledge, not performance. "Core Knowledge" is closer to what we really need, not "Common Core" [I suspect the "Common Core" name was chosen to confuse the issue]. Read about the Core Knowledge Foundation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Knowledge_F... .

Read "The impetus behind Core Knoweldge." "Background knowledge, a common set of cultural facts and information mattered-not for the sake of knowing facts per se but because a shared intellectual landscape was all-important in empowering students to read and write richly."

Common Core deprives students of that shared intellectual landscape.
Both Ways

Utica, NY

#20 Oct 15, 2013
I don't know about you but I learn by doing things more than once. Here is where I think our disconnect with teaching is. Everything is hurry up so we can move on to the next section.

We need to teach these kids tricks on how to memorize. Teach the most important things first. Pound it in their brains and fill in the gaps later.

Think about what you remember from school. Addition tables, multiplication tables, ROYGBIV, Please excuse my dear Aunt Saley. I before E except after C. These are just a few things that were pounded in our brains. Repeated over and over again. This is how you learn. Not say it once, take a test and forget.

Quality over quantity.
graduate

United States

#21 Oct 15, 2013
when i was in elementary school 35-40 years ago things were repeated until they were learned .nouns,verbs,adjectives.multip lication,division,addition,sub traction,fractions.earth science was big .chemistry.now half the school day is spent on making kids politically correct.got news for the intellects.it is starting to turn on you.the same morons pushing this crap on public schools happen too send their own kids to private schools.

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