dirk

New Hartford, NY

#76 Jan 21, 2013
People wrote:
My son graduated from Notre Dame two years ago. It's a great school with dedicated teachers and if anyone can afford it, I suggest you send your children there. My husband graduate from there and insisted our son attend. It was expensive and unlike most of the parents we had to sacrifice for it.
Well worth it.
No one cares...

Level 1

Since: Jan 13

Utica, NY

#77 Jan 22, 2013
notre dame wrote:
Did you know?
Notre Dame consistently has a 100% graduation rate, with 100% going on to college.
Last year alone, those graduates garnered more than $5.1 million in scholarships.
More than 90% of Notre Dame students participate in sports or some extracurricular activities.
Notre Dame offers Advanced Placement (AP) classes and bridge programs with several local colleges.
Payment options are available. Roughly 70% of Notre Dame students receive financial aid.
Notre Dame offers NJROTC, mock trial, choir, drama, and much more in values-centered environment.
LOL if they had a few hundred graduating every year like other schools, they wouldn't have numbers like that. Obviously a class of not even 80 would have high graduation rates. Proctor has all of that stuff and more.
more and more

United States

#78 Jan 22, 2013
Why does the assistant varsity boys basketball coach send his kids to Notre Dame ? Why does the head varsity girls basketball coach send his son to New hartford and not utica ? Both coaches live in utica ...
Sally

Rome, NY

#79 Jan 22, 2013
Y would someone even consider paying $4000-$6000 a yr for uncertified teachers to teach their kids....just sayin.....
ssss

Utica, NY

#80 Jan 23, 2013
Sally wrote:
Y would someone even consider paying $4000-$6000 a yr for uncertified teachers to teach their kids....just sayin.....
The results are what is important right? Given the graduation rates and high standard test scores (they all take the same tests as a measure of the quality of the education) I'd say that teacher certification doesn't really mean that much.

The other thing is that not all kids thrive in all settings. If they can do better in the ND setting than at Proctor then who is to say? Both schools have good and bad. What's important at the end of the day is that the kids get a good education that prepares them to become productive adults.
xstudent

Utica, NY

#81 Jan 23, 2013
They graduate around 35, they better all go to college after paying 6k to go to school there.
jackie

New Hartford, NY

#82 Jan 23, 2013
ssss wrote:
<quoted text>
The results are what is important right? Given the graduation rates and high standard test scores (they all take the same tests as a measure of the quality of the education) I'd say that teacher certification doesn't really mean that much.
The other thing is that not all kids thrive in all settings. If they can do better in the ND setting than at Proctor then who is to say? Both schools have good and bad. What's important at the end of the day is that the kids get a good education that prepares them to become productive adults.
OMG. Back to the old ND company line about test scores again. ND does not accept students with any physical or learning disabilities of any kind. Public schools welcome all children. ALL children's test results are included in the overall performance of any public school. That means that the student who is learning challenged, whether severely or moderately, has his/her results tallied right in with the kids who are gifted. This causes the average results to be lower than what they could be if you did not include challenged children's scores in the pool. Challenged kids cannot compete with gifted kids academically but in the eyes of the Education Dept. we are all equal. As it should be. I, for one, cannot condone the exclusivity of ND in rejecting these children and not allowing them admittance. They claim to be a Catholic school but do not uphold even the most basic Christian teaching in this regard AND they completely ignore the standards that were set by the Catholic school foundress in this country--that ALL children should have the opportunity to attend a Catholic school if they so choose. So ND"s scores are skewed and include only those kids who do not have any God-given disability. Hardly a place that should brag about it and yet you see them use this all the time. It is truly sad to see what has become of Catholic education--an ungodly atmosphere, where only the haves are admitted and the have nots are told that they need not apply.
ssss

Utica, NY

#83 Jan 23, 2013
jackie wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG. Back to the old ND company line about test scores again. ND does not accept students with any physical or learning disabilities of any kind. Public schools welcome all children. ALL children's test results are included in the overall performance of any public school. That means that the student who is learning challenged, whether severely or moderately, has his/her results tallied right in with the kids who are gifted. This causes the average results to be lower than what they could be if you did not include challenged children's scores in the pool. Challenged kids cannot compete with gifted kids academically but in the eyes of the Education Dept. we are all equal. As it should be. I, for one, cannot condone the exclusivity of ND in rejecting these children and not allowing them admittance. They claim to be a Catholic school but do not uphold even the most basic Christian teaching in this regard AND they completely ignore the standards that were set by the Catholic school foundress in this country--that ALL children should have the opportunity to attend a Catholic school if they so choose. So ND"s scores are skewed and include only those kids who do not have any God-given disability. Hardly a place that should brag about it and yet you see them use this all the time. It is truly sad to see what has become of Catholic education--an ungodly atmosphere, where only the haves are admitted and the have nots are told that they need not apply.
I didn't comment on any other school's scores or how the scores are compiled. The comment was regarding the certification status of teachers. I responded to a post that said ND had uncertified teachers as though that was the measure of a good teacher. It is not from what I see if it is indeed true that ND teachers are uncertified. I said that the important thing in education is the outcome and based on stnadard test scores given to all students, it doesn't appear to matter if teachers are certified or not. Again, if it is true that teachers at ND are not certified. That has nothing to do with a comparison to other schools and who gets included in testing.

In addition you are wrong about ND not accepting children with learning disabilities. I don't think they can do all that the public schools do (again because of available resources) but I know they do what the can.

I don't think ND has the kind of money needed to comply with ADA requirements at the level that would be required to admit all special needs students. It isn't like the public school where they just reach into the taxpayers pocket for everything. There is a definite limit to what ND can provide given the resources they have available. Let me turn it around. How would you feel about New York State giving ND the resources to be able to comply with ADA in order to be able to admit special needs children? Every parent that pays tuition for their child to attend ND also pays school taxes in whatever district they reside. Why not let some of that tax money flow with the child to ND in order to better provide for things like ADA requirements?
MrsBrault

New Hartford, NY

#84 Jan 23, 2013
ssss wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't comment on any other school's scores or how the scores are compiled. The comment was regarding the certification status of teachers. I responded to a post that said ND had uncertified teachers as though that was the measure of a good teacher. It is not from what I see if it is indeed true that ND teachers are uncertified. I said that the important thing in education is the outcome and based on stnadard test scores given to all students, it doesn't appear to matter if teachers are certified or not. Again, if it is true that teachers at ND are not certified. That has nothing to do with a comparison to other schools and who gets included in testing.
In addition you are wrong about ND not accepting children with learning disabilities. I don't think they can do all that the public schools do (again because of available resources) but I know they do what the can.
I don't think ND has the kind of money needed to comply with ADA requirements at the level that would be required to admit all special needs students. It isn't like the public school where they just reach into the taxpayers pocket for everything. There is a definite limit to what ND can provide given the resources they have available. Let me turn it around. How would you feel about New York State giving ND the resources to be able to comply with ADA in order to be able to admit special needs children? Every parent that pays tuition for their child to attend ND also pays school taxes in whatever district they reside. Why not let some of that tax money flow with the child to ND in order to better provide for things like ADA requirements?
All four of my children attended Notre Dame as did my husband and brothers. I attended an out-of-town Catholic grammar school, high school and then college. I also volunteered for the schools that my children attended. I can say with absolute certainty that Notre Dame does not, has not and never will accept students with learning disabilities. If you are confined to a wheel chair they may consider admitting you if you are self-sufficient and it does not require their building being upgraded to the current codes standards for those chair bound. Your arguments do not hold water, my dear. If you choose to be a ciitzen of this country, you will pay taxes. Some of those taxes will go to the educational system that supports every individual. Your ludicrous suggestion of funneling tax money to private, religiously affiliated, and somewhat backward Catholic schools is not constitutional. It is an argument we have all heard a million times at a million Catholic PTO meetings that sounded just as ridiculous then as it does here coming from you.
If you disagree with the founding fathers, I suggest you run for political office and state your objections in the Senate or Congress. Meanwhile, the 'test score' myth of ND is and always has been invalid to the thinking population. It is a desperate cry to save something that faded away years ago...Catholic schools. My husband and I have always disagreed with the closed door policy of local Catholic schools to people with disabilities. It is unchristian, unethical, and patrician.
wakeup

New Hartford, NY

#85 Jan 23, 2013
What a pity that the Catholic Church won't even support its own school system financially. Vatican City is rated as the wealthiest in the world. They won't let go of any of their wealth though for anything other than the defense of pedophile priests.
wakeup

New Hartford, NY

#86 Jan 23, 2013
I made a mistake...the money for the defense of the wankers comes from the parishioners---their contributions pay for attorneys. The church only accumulates and does not spend.
ssss

Utica, NY

#87 Jan 23, 2013
MrsBrault wrote:
<quoted text>
All four of my children attended Notre Dame as did my husband and brothers. I attended an out-of-town Catholic grammar school, high school and then college. I also volunteered for the schools that my children attended. I can say with absolute certainty that Notre Dame does not, has not and never will accept students with learning disabilities. If you are confined to a wheel chair they may consider admitting you if you are self-sufficient and it does not require their building being upgraded to the current codes standards for those chair bound. Your arguments do not hold water, my dear. If you choose to be a ciitzen of this country, you will pay taxes. Some of those taxes will go to the educational system that supports every individual. Your ludicrous suggestion of funneling tax money to private, religiously affiliated, and somewhat backward Catholic schools is not constitutional. It is an argument we have all heard a million times at a million Catholic PTO meetings that sounded just as ridiculous then as it does here coming from you.
If you disagree with the founding fathers, I suggest you run for political office and state your objections in the Senate or Congress. Meanwhile, the 'test score' myth of ND is and always has been invalid to the thinking population. It is a desperate cry to save something that faded away years ago...Catholic schools. My husband and I have always disagreed with the closed door policy of local Catholic schools to people with disabilities. It is unchristian, unethical, and patrician.
How is the test score thing a myth? All children, public or private schools, take the same tests. The results are the results. How is that myth?
ssss

Utica, NY

#88 Jan 23, 2013
MrsBrault wrote:
<quoted text>
All four of my children attended Notre Dame as did my husband and brothers. I attended an out-of-town Catholic grammar school, high school and then college. I also volunteered for the schools that my children attended. I can say with absolute certainty that Notre Dame does not, has not and never will accept students with learning disabilities. If you are confined to a wheel chair they may consider admitting you if you are self-sufficient and it does not require their building being upgraded to the current codes standards for those chair bound. Your arguments do not hold water, my dear. If you choose to be a ciitzen of this country, you will pay taxes. Some of those taxes will go to the educational system that supports every individual. Your ludicrous suggestion of funneling tax money to private, religiously affiliated, and somewhat backward Catholic schools is not constitutional. It is an argument we have all heard a million times at a million Catholic PTO meetings that sounded just as ridiculous then as it does here coming from you.
If you disagree with the founding fathers, I suggest you run for political office and state your objections in the Senate or Congress. Meanwhile, the 'test score' myth of ND is and always has been invalid to the thinking population. It is a desperate cry to save something that faded away years ago...Catholic schools. My husband and I have always disagreed with the closed door policy of local Catholic schools to people with disabilities. It is unchristian, unethical, and patrician.
Obviously your education has failed you and it is you who needs the history lesson. I don't disagree with the Founding Fathers at all. The Founding Fathers included freedom of religion in the First Amendment to keep the FEDERAL government from mandating that one religion be observed above all others as had been the case with the Church of England in the Colonies under British rule. There is a difference between freedom of religion and freedom from religion. In relative terms the freedom from religion notion is a fairly recent phenomena and has nothing to do with the Founders original intent. It comes from a Supreme Court decison in 1940 and another in 1962. That is more than 150 years after ratification of the US Constitution. At the time of the ratification of the US Constitution 9 of the original 13 states had taxpayer funded official churches of state. That went on well into the 1800's with Mass. being the last to give that up in 1833, more than 40 years after ratification of the US Constitution. Catholic schools were founded as a result of the Protestant King James Bible being taught in early public schools. A practice that continued into the 1960's. There are people still living who can tell you about reading the Bible in public schools and praying there as well. German and Irish immigrants disagreed with the use of the Protestant Bible and started their own schools. Most if not all early American colleges and universities were founded by religious as well. I'm not making this up.

As far as wheelchairs, did I not say that ND doesn't have the resources of the public schools? The resources that would be required to fully comply with ADA. That's the Americans with Disabilities Act by the way. It covers everything from sidewalk ramps to elevators. It changes constantly and it costs schools tens of thousands of dollars to keep up with. In public schools it's school tax money. I said that ND does what they can with what they have. I personally know of a recent case that dealt with a student afflicted with Turett's Syndrome. So to say that they shun children with disabilities and that they do not do what they can with what they have is patently false.

Whatever your gripe with ND is I think you are going to have to regroup and come up with some other reasons for your hate.
atlas

New Hartford, NY

#89 Jan 23, 2013
ssss wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously your education has failed you and it is you who needs the history lesson. I don't disagree with the Founding Fathers at all. The Founding Fathers included freedom of religion in the First Amendment to keep the FEDERAL government from mandating that one religion be observed above all others as had been the case with the Church of England in the Colonies under British rule. There is a difference between freedom of religion and freedom from religion. In relative terms the freedom from religion notion is a fairly recent phenomena and has nothing to do with the Founders original intent. It comes from a Supreme Court decison in 1940 and another in 1962. That is more than 150 years after ratification of the US Constitution. At the time of the ratification of the US Constitution 9 of the original 13 states had taxpayer funded official churches of state. That went on well into the 1800's with Mass. being the last to give that up in 1833, more than 40 years after ratification of the US Constitution. Catholic schools were founded as a result of the Protestant King James Bible being taught in early public schools. A practice that continued into the 1960's. There are people still living who can tell you about reading the Bible in public schools and praying there as well. German and Irish immigrants disagreed with the use of the Protestant Bible and started their own schools. Most if not all early American colleges and universities were founded by religious as well. I'm not making this up.
As far as wheelchairs, did I not say that ND doesn't have the resources of the public schools? The resources that would be required to fully comply with ADA. That's the Americans with Disabilities Act by the way. It covers everything from sidewalk ramps to elevators. It changes constantly and it costs schools tens of thousands of dollars to keep up with. In public schools it's school tax money. I said that ND does what they can with what they have. I personally know of a recent case that dealt with a student afflicted with Turett's Syndrome. So to say that they shun children with disabilities and that they do not do what they can with what they have is patently false.
Whatever your gripe with ND is I think you are going to have to regroup and come up with some other reasons for your hate.
LMAO Your spin on history is amazing---haha--did you learn that at NOtre Dame? It is amazing the lengths that you will go to to defend the indefensible. And as far as hate goes, lady(and I use that term lightly) you have the corner on that in these posts hands down. The depth of your hate must have been honed at Notre Dame.( You are hereby awarded the Notre Dame Achievement Award for Lies, Exaggerations, Tale-Spinning, Fact-Twisting and overall Stupidity.) Most people that have Turrett's Syndrome can have their symptoms completely controlled with medication. ND did nothing grand in accepting a child that can function normally but is dependent on a particular combination of medications.Turret's has NOTHING to do with IQ. Just another one of your devious attempts at making that school look like something it isn't. Fact is, ND does NOT accept children with learning disabilities.
They fail their own mission on a daily basis by discarding God's special children in favor of children whose parents have money and power. It is beyond you and your twisted allegiance to that place to accept even the most basic truths about what that school actually practices.
You haven't had any real contact with that school in years and rely on heresy.
Your off -the-mark history diatribe is comical. What next, smoke and mirrors to save something that is already gone. Your lies are some of the most offensive I have ever read. New Flash, they won't save Notre Dame. It is already gone.
Ghandi

Milford, MA

#90 Jan 23, 2013
I see a lot of Christians, but not a lot of Christianity
jackie

New Hartford, NY

#91 Jan 23, 2013
Founder Thomas Jefferson wanted a wall between church and state at every possible level. If you actually read what he wanted, you would understand that he would have been appalled at tax money supporting a religious school. Ben Franklin was of a similar mind, as were most of the leading thinkers of the Federalist era. Reading of church documents in schools was a vestige of Puritan theocracy that was maintained in the Northeast long after most of the country had developed separation of church and state to a higher level. The Constitution, O Ye of LIttle Comprehension, covers federal intervention because it is the document that governs the federal government. It could not mandate education because that was a power reserved to the states. State governments took different positions upon this. Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island, took the position that church and state should be entirely separate and thus Rhode Island did not blend the two.
In the context of this discussion of Notre Dame High School, perhaps the more relevant discussion is whether the founders of Catholicism proposed elite academies for the wealthy in which the mating rituals of pedophiles and those of students create a morass of immorality that defies comparison.
Ghandi

Milford, MA

#92 Jan 23, 2013
Pope Pious didnt say a word to the atrocities committed by the Germans to Jews as well as Christians sympathic to them in Poland Spain and right outside the Vatican walls in Rome where everything was taken from them and they lived in ghettos.
well jacob

Camillus, NY

#93 Jan 23, 2013
jacob wrote:
My wife and I were one family that was dumb enough to get caught up in that place, but not for long. It didn't take us long to see through all the deceptive practices, the constant attempts to wheedle money out of parents that are just getting by, and the favoritism paid to kids whose parents are wealthy. As if that weren't enough, the current principal is without a doubt one of the biggest abusers of position and biggest liars I have ever come across in any school system. She is as stupid as she looks and covers up her multiple judgement errors by lies and surrounds herseif with friends that she hires to cover her azz. She holds a position for which she has no aptitude and abuses the power that she has to hold onto it. Notre Dame has very, very, little to do with the faith that they are supposed to teach--it is all about the money. Good luck to anyone who treads there. My children will never forget how ungodly it truly was. I apologized to my kids for making the mistake of sending them to that farce of a school.
You just described every other school district
ND forever

Utica, NY

#94 Jan 23, 2013
jackie wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG. Back to the old ND company line about test scores again. ND does not accept students with any physical or learning disabilities of any kind. Public schools welcome all children. ALL children's test results are included in the overall performance of any public school. That means that the student who is learning challenged, whether severely or moderately, has his/her results tallied right in with the kids who are gifted. This causes the average results to be lower than what they could be if you did not include challenged children's scores in the pool. Challenged kids cannot compete with gifted kids academically but in the eyes of the Education Dept. we are all equal. As it should be. I, for one, cannot condone the exclusivity of ND in rejecting these children and not allowing them admittance. They claim to be a Catholic school but do not uphold even the most basic Christian teaching in this regard AND they completely ignore the standards that were set by the Catholic school foundress in this country--that ALL children should have the opportunity to attend a Catholic school if they so choose. So ND"s scores are skewed and include only those kids who do not have any God-given disability. Hardly a place that should brag about it and yet you see them use this all the time. It is truly sad to see what has become of Catholic education--an ungodly atmosphere, where only the haves are admitted and the have nots are told that they need not apply.
Wow are you kidding me? How dare you speak of something you know nothing about. My child goes to ND & my child has a learning disability & my child has an IEP. Don't go spreading rumors. Certainly don't go posting lies. By the way, my child is overcoming those disabilities every year through the guidance of the ND resource department. He now has an average of 86. Not bad for a child with a learning disability. Go post about something you know.
officehelp

New Hartford, NY

#95 Jan 23, 2013
ND forever wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow are you kidding me? How dare you speak of something you know nothing about. My child goes to ND & my child has a learning disability & my child has an IEP. Don't go spreading rumors. Certainly don't go posting lies. By the way, my child is overcoming those disabilities every year through the guidance of the ND resource department. He now has an average of 86. Not bad for a child with a learning disability. Go post about something you know.
My children go to ND. I am related to an employee. I know for a fact that there are no children accepted there with bonafide learning disabilities so stop lying whoever you claim to be. Maybe your child is just plain stupid and you call it a learning disability. An IEP just means the kid is stupid and has to have everything watered down to his own pathetic level. It's easy to see why he has a low IQ with someone like you as a parent. Half of the basketball team has an IEP--I suppose that qualifies them as learning disabled in your book. Piss off.

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