utica city drug court

[roxie666]

comments, issues...all welcome

[4 points]

u came to the right place

[whatever]

in my opinion they set people up for failure. you can not expect that someone who is truely addicted is going ot be able to follow through with these strict guidelines.

[Insight House]

whatever wrote:

in my opinion they set people up for failure. you can not expect that someone who is truely addicted is going ot be able to follow through with these strict guidelines.

Fast track to insight house - where you'll stay 'til you run out of funding. The more you fail - the more successful ($$$$$$$$) "they" are.

[DRUG CT]

Drug court is very often the only alternative to serious jail time. The drug court candidates are guided through the process by personnel from different agencies and have access to information, education & assistance to complete their programs successfully. Unfortunately, not everyone graduates.

[WAD]

biggest waste of money. most people go to multiple rehabs and still use. the courts will NEVER say how much rehabs / staffing costs. i gaurantee its much cheaper to send them to prison.

[Area5150]

I don't agree. Just like rehab it all comes down to how prepared the user is and whether they want to change. In Utica I have seen some of the greatest people become addicted and fall from grace. Sending them to prison may make you feel better or safer but all it usually does is forstall the inevitable. They always come back and re-offend.

[roxie666]

the 'contract' is a strict one to follow, but what i remember of a jail cell- is there is even less freedom there....but they need to understand that people make mistakes, and the mandates that they impose on some are just unconstitutional

[no such thing]

The drug court is run (in both Oneida and Herkimer counties) by former Insight House employees... I suspect that there is a little bias at play. And, if you look at their core qualifications, some of the clients are better educated...

[roxie666]

Thats why i said to discuss Utica city drug court...the graduation rate is ridiculously low, something like 5 percent of the hundreds that are in and out in a year... compared to syracuse drug court which is almost 50 percent... Something is terribly wrong there!

[UrHigh]

If it's at 5 percent they are doing good! Most rehabs(that are truthfull) have a long term rate of under 5 percent. Someone who goes into the "rooms" on their own has a much better chance!And Syracuse having a 50 percent rate????You need to get your peee tested!

[Drug Court]

UrHigh I dont know what percentages exist in regards to Syracuse Drug Court and Utica Drug Court success rates but what I do know is that substance abuse treatment in the Utica area is seriously flawed. Basically a monopoly. The one agency providing most of the treatment is run by a person with no addiction treatment experience and a high school diploma who is alleged to be having an affair with a married man, uses nepotism at her agency and is extremely unethical. The Insight House Drug Court representative enjoys seeing clients punished and has nothing but disdain for clients. People would be amazed at how Spina talks about clients behind their backs. Substance abuse treatment in Utica is not about helping people it is about how to make money and often times at the expense of people suffering from addiction and tax payers. Thus, if Syracuse is not corrupted and has a checks and balance system obviously Syracuse Drug Court is going to be much more effective than Utica City Drug court. No checks and balance here. Insight House and Drug Court have free rein to do what they want. Insight House is an extension of the Drug Court. Drug Courts were designed to be separate from the treatment facilities. The real question is how long will Utica citizens sit back and take it before something is done?

[Juvenile Drug Court]

Another thought Insight House is suppose to be creating a Juvenile Drug Court in the next year or so. How does a treatment agency run a Drug Court? Only in Utica would this be allowed. So the Drug Court will mandate people to Insight House and Insight House will be able to determine how long people stay in treatment. Seems like a win win for Insight House but what about the people impacted by the disease of addiction? Will they win?

[UrHigh]

Drug Court wrote:

UrHigh I dont know what percentages exist in regards to Syracuse Drug Court and Utica Drug Court success rates but what I do know is that substance abuse treatment in the Utica area is seriously flawed. Basically a monopoly. The one agency providing most of the treatment is run by a person with no addiction treatment experience and a high school diploma who is alleged to be having an affair with a married man, uses nepotism at her agency and is extremely unethical. The Insight House Drug Court representative enjoys seeing clients punished and has nothing but disdain for clients. People would be amazed at how Spina talks about clients behind their backs. Substance abuse treatment in Utica is not about helping people it is about how to make money and often times at the expense of people suffering from addiction and tax payers. Thus, if Syracuse is not corrupted and has a checks and balance system obviously Syracuse Drug Court is going to be much more effective than Utica City Drug court. No checks and balance here. Insight House and Drug Court have free rein to do what they want. Insight House is an extension of the Drug Court. Drug Courts were designed to be separate from the treatment facilities. The real question is how long will Utica citizens sit back and take it before something is done?

I agree, Insight House is a joke and the state rehab in Rome is a bigger joke! The problem is if you dont want it it doesnt work!

[Corrupt to the Core]

Juvenile Drug Court wrote:

Another thought Insight House is suppose to be creating a Juvenile Drug Court in the next year or so. How does a treatment agency run a Drug Court? Only in Utica would this be allowed. So the Drug Court will mandate people to Insight House and Insight House will be able to determine how long people stay in treatment. Seems like a win win for Insight House but what about the people impacted by the disease of addiction? Will they win?

This drug court thing is great for the corrupt who are taking full advantage of it.

[roxie666]

i need to get my piss tested, huh... Regarding percentages, u look into it and i'll except ur apologies whenever.... Know what the hell ur talking about before u throw spades at me, and as for the comments before this one- u are 100 percent correct... These people in drug court are subjected to the most demeaning and juvenile bullshit, and claim to b 'there' to help and support the participants... What a joke! And as far as stacy paolozzi, she is the worst one of all- takes so much much pleasure in twisting the truth and causing problems where there arent any!

[UrHigh]

roxie666 wrote:

i need to get my piss tested, huh... Regarding percentages, u look into it and i'll except ur apologies whenever.... Know what the hell ur talking about before u throw spades at me, and as for the comments before this one- u are 100 percent correct... These people in drug court are subjected to the most demeaning and juvenile bullshit, and claim to b 'there' to help and support the participants... What a joke! And as far as stacy paolozzi, she is the worst one of all- takes so much much pleasure in twisting the truth and causing problems where there arent any!

I see you are "active" and yes I do"except"(I think your little pea brain wanted to say accept) your lack of knowledge concerning rehabs, how long have you been active?

[roxie666]

Umm...considering its a utica forum, i know ur probably sittin behind a computer with ur lil red pen looking for grammar errors but we arent talking about that on here...so go find some billy goats under a bridge to threaten TROLL... And, am i 'active' WTF does that even mean...check urself dumbass

[It Is Me]

Nope , just bored and goofing on a (active)moron like you gives me some laughs!

[Together]

Together we make changes. Is it worth fighting when the real fight is much bigger and will take all of us?