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#21 Jul 3, 2013
HotHotHot wrote:
The hoax was exposed in 2009 via hacked emails from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists...
Get with the program....That story was completely debunked as total nonsense.
There was no "there" there.

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#22 Jul 3, 2013
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Again I'd like you to take a look at this since John Cook and the "Skeptical Science" blog are your source for the 97% figure.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/...
And your source for Climate change denial is an Opinion piece by James Taylor of the Heartland Foundation?

Heartland Institute And James Taylor

The Economist has called the libertarian Heartland Institute "the world's most prominent think tank promoting skepticism about man-made climate change." Every year, Heartland hosts an "International Conference on Climate Change," bringing together a small group of contrarians (mostly non-scientists) who deny that manmade climate change is a serious problem. To promote its most recent conference, Heartland launched a short-lived billboard campaign associating acceptance of climate science with "murderers, tyrants, and madmen" including Ted Kaczynski, Charles Manson and Fidel Castro. Facing backlash from corporate donors and even some of its own staff, Heartland removed the billboard, but refused to apologize for the "experiment."
HotHotHot

Ithaca, NY

#23 Jul 3, 2013
Bodhisatva wrote:
<quoted text>Get with the program....That story was completely debunked as total nonsense.
There was no "there" there.
Then please educate me and cite an objective source that debunks the East Anglia CRU scandal.

While you at it, please show me data indicating rising global sea levels, which would result from global warming.

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#24 Jul 3, 2013
HotHotHot wrote:
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Then please educate me and cite an objective source that debunks the East Anglia CRU scandal.
While you at it, please show me data indicating rising global sea levels, which would result from global warming.
From ThinkProgress
Climategate 2.0: Have Journalists Learned Their Lesson? UPDATE: No.
By Brad Johnson on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:18 am

“What appears to be a new batch of emails and other documents from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit has been released,” reports the BBC. The emails are accompanied by a new selection of pull-quotes that include words like “trick” and “deceptive” and “scheme,” causing right-wing hacks like the Telegraph’s James Delingpole to salivate about the threat of “Climategate 2.0&#8243; to “global warming loons.”
Climategate was a scandal of corrupt, deceitful, and shoddy reporting. In 2009, as all of the world’s leaders prepared to meet in Copenhagen to tackle global warming, thousands of emails from the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit webmail server — a top climate research center in the United Kingdom — were hacked and dumped on a Russian web server. Polluter-funded climate skeptics, along with their allies in conservative media and the Republican Party, sifted through the e-mails, and quickly cherry picked quotes to falsely accuse climate scientists of concocting climate change science out of whole cloth.
The results weren’t pretty — for the credibility and reputation of the news media. As several progressive and environmental organizations wrote in a letter in July 2010:
News outlets across the globe hastily published hundreds of stories — based on rumors, unsubstantiated claims, and the shoddy reporting of their competitors — questioning the overwhelming scientific consensus that human activities are causing climate change. One by one, the pillars of evidence supporting the alleged “scandals” have shattered, causing the entire storyline to come crashing down.
There have been nine independent investigations of the allegations made based on the stolen emails of scientific fraud and wrongdoing, and all of them cleared the scientists. In addition, a Koch-funded project independently confirmed the validity of the data at the heart of the claims of manipulation.
Pollution from burning fossil fuels continues to destroy our climate. There is now a record-breaking Category 4 storm, Hurricane Kenneth, in the eastern Pacific. The real scandal continues to be the failure to report and to act on the incontrovertible threat. Hopefully, journalists have learned their lesson.

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#25 Jul 3, 2013
HotHotHot wrote:
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Then please educate me and cite an objective source that debunks the East Anglia CRU scandal.
While you at it, please show me data indicating rising global sea levels, which would result from global warming.
http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/i mages/gw/infographic-sea-level -rise-and-global-warming/Sea-L evel-Rise-and-Global-Warming-I nfographic-All-Facts_Full-Size .jpg

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#26 Jul 3, 2013
HotHotHot wrote:
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Then please educate me and cite an objective source that debunks the East Anglia CRU scandal.
While you at it, please show me data indicating rising global sea levels, which would result from global warming.
This article is from National Geographic

Core samples, tide gauge readings, and, most recently, satellite measurements tell us that over the past century, the Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) has risen by 4 to 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters). However, the annual rate of rise over the past 20 years has been 0.13 inches (3.2 millimeters) a year, roughly twice the average speed of the preceding 80 years.

Over the past century, the burning of fossil fuels and other human and natural activities has released enormous amounts of heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere. These emissions have caused the Earth's surface temperature to rise, and the oceans absorb about 80 percent of this additional heat.

The rise in sea levels is linked to three primary factors, all induced by this ongoing global climate change:

Thermal expansion: When water heats up, it expands. About half of the past century's rise in sea level is attributable to warmer oceans simply occupying more space.

Melting of glaciers and polar ice caps: Large ice formations, like glaciers and the polar ice caps, naturally melt back a bit each summer. But in the winter, snows, made primarily from evaporated seawater, are generally sufficient to balance out the melting. Recently, though, persistently higher temperatures caused by global warming have led to greater-than-average summer melting as well as diminished snowfall due to later winters and earlier springs. This imbalance results in a significant net gain in runoff versus evaporation for the ocean, causing sea levels to rise.

Ice loss from Greenland and West Antarctica: As with glaciers and the ice caps, increased heat is causing the massive ice sheets that cover Greenland and Antarctica to melt at an accelerated pace. Scientists also believe meltwater from above and seawater from below is seeping beneath Greenland's and West Antarctica's ice sheets, effectively lubricating ice streams and causing them to move more quickly into the sea. Moreover, higher sea temperatures are causing the massive ice shelves that extend out from Antarctica to melt from below, weaken, and break off.

Consequences

When sea levels rise rapidly, as they have been doing, even a small increase can have devastating effects on coastal habitats. As seawater reaches farther inland, it can cause destructive erosion, flooding of wetlands, contamination of aquifers and agricultural soils, and lost habitat for fish, birds, and plants.

When large storms hit land, higher sea levels mean bigger, more powerful storm surges that can strip away everything in their path.

In addition, hundreds of millions of people live in areas that will become increasingly vulnerable to flooding. Higher sea levels would force them to abandon their homes and relocate. Low-lying islands could be submerged completely.

How High Will It Go?

Most predictions say the warming of the planet will continue and likely will accelerate. Oceans will likely continue to rise as well, but predicting the amount is an inexact science. A recent study says we can expect the oceans to rise between 2.5 and 6.5 feet (0.8 and 2 meters) by 2100, enough to swamp many of the cities along the U.S. East Coast. More dire estimates, including a complete meltdown of the Greenland ice sheet, push sea level rise to 23 feet (7 meters), enough to submerge London and Los Angeles.

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#27 Jul 3, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Again I'd like you to take a look at this since John Cook and the "Skeptical Science" blog are your source for the 97% figure.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/...
LOL. I'd be a bit more interested in the work of this hack if he were actually a scientist, and not a lawyer paid by the oil, coal and gas industries.

It never ceases to amaze me how people who know nothing about science in general and climate change specifically will still deny the fact of man made global warming because the denial fantasy fits into their deranged right-wing corporate world view.

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#28 Jul 3, 2013
Scammer wrote:
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You got it. Hoax.. They get caught fudging numbers and still the mindless will not see. Gore and the rest are getting rich off your stupidity. Get real. That is the hypocrisy of the left. Do not dare question us. We are right. More Green Koolaide?
Yes, every National Academy of Science in every industrialized nation on earth is conspiring to create a global warming hoax to enrich pointy head science professors, while mega-billion behemoths like Exxon, Koch Industries, and BP are objective, disinterested truth tellers.

LMFAO! What a f.cking buffoon.
righty

Wethersfield, CT

#29 Jul 3, 2013
Bodhisatva wrote:
Non stop rain and flash floods in the North East, Massive wildfires in the South West, Temps over 100 degrees in 6 States.
Global Climate Change is OBVIOUSLY a Hoax.
Thanks Fox (so called) News!
What would we do without your years of reporting(lies) on this subject?
Are you still blabbering about Al Gores disproven talking points? NOBODY has denied that climate changes, what does FoxNews have to do with it? Scientifically proven fact (not hockey stick science) that the earths normal climate has fluctuated for millions of years.
Truth

Herkimer, NY

#30 Jul 4, 2013
Bodhisatva wrote:
<quoted text>From ThinkProgress
Climategate 2.0: Have Journalists Learned Their Lesson? UPDATE: No.
By Brad Johnson on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:18 am
“What appears to be a new batch of emails and other documents from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit has been released,” reports the BBC. The emails are accompanied by a new selection of pull-quotes that include words like “trick” and “deceptive” and “scheme,” causing right-wing hacks like the Telegraph’s James Delingpole to salivate about the threat of “Climategate 2.0&#8243; to “global warming loons.”
Climategate was a scandal of corrupt, deceitful, and shoddy reporting. In 2009, as all of the world’s leaders prepared to meet in Copenhagen to tackle global warming, thousands of emails from the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit webmail server — a top climate research center in the United Kingdom — were hacked and dumped on a Russian web server. Polluter-funded climate skeptics, along with their allies in conservative media and the Republican Party, sifted through the e-mails, and quickly cherry picked quotes to falsely accuse climate scientists of concocting climate change science out of whole cloth.
The results weren’t pretty — for the credibility and reputation of the news media. As several progressive and environmental organizations wrote in a letter in July 2010:
News outlets across the globe hastily published hundreds of stories — based on rumors, unsubstantiated claims, and the shoddy reporting of their competitors — questioning the overwhelming scientific consensus that human activities are causing climate change. One by one, the pillars of evidence supporting the alleged “scandals” have shattered, causing the entire storyline to come crashing down.
There have been nine independent investigations of the allegations made based on the stolen emails of scientific fraud and wrongdoing, and all of them cleared the scientists. In addition, a Koch-funded project independently confirmed the validity of the data at the heart of the claims of manipulation.
Pollution from burning fossil fuels continues to destroy our climate. There is now a record-breaking Category 4 storm, Hurricane Kenneth, in the eastern Pacific. The real scandal continues to be the failure to report and to act on the incontrovertible threat. Hopefully, journalists have learned their lesson.
He/she said objective source.
Truth

Herkimer, NY

#31 Jul 4, 2013
Bodhisatva wrote:
<quoted text>And your source for Climate change denial is an Opinion piece by James Taylor of the Heartland Foundation?
Heartland Institute And James Taylor
The Economist has called the libertarian Heartland Institute "the world's most prominent think tank promoting skepticism about man-made climate change." Every year, Heartland hosts an "International Conference on Climate Change," bringing together a small group of contrarians (mostly non-scientists) who deny that manmade climate change is a serious problem. To promote its most recent conference, Heartland launched a short-lived billboard campaign associating acceptance of climate science with "murderers, tyrants, and madmen" including Ted Kaczynski, Charles Manson and Fidel Castro. Facing backlash from corporate donors and even some of its own staff, Heartland removed the billboard, but refused to apologize for the "experiment."
And your point is?

There is bias in all reporting but facts are facts. If there were a factual overview on global climate change void of agendas, there would be no discussion. It would be settled science. There is not and it is not. The 97% statistic that you and others who believe as you do is apparently based on skewed survey question. Regardless what James Taylor's agenda, that is a fact.

The truth is that from what I've read (from a variety of sources) over the past five plus years is that many scientists are backing away from their original assertions about the man-made natur of global climate change. Many of those saying that the predictions were overblown. Advice - follow the money.

On of the most effective tools of the left in general and global waming(climate change) alarmists in particular is making something a crisis. If there is a crisis then there is no time for serious, fact based discussion and debate. Look back ten years ago at the predictions and how we were told we must act immediately to stem the tide of global warming. The proposed solutions were often extreme and for the most part very expensive. Many were defeated and thank goodness that cooler heads prevailed or our economic situation would be much worse than it is now. Then, to top it off the dire predictions have not even come close to being realized. It's ten years on and global warming is in a stall.
HotHotHot

Ithaca, NY

#32 Jul 4, 2013
Bodhisatva wrote:
<quoted text>From ThinkProgress
Climategate 2.0: Have Journalists Learned Their Lesson? UPDATE: No.
By Brad Johnson on Nov 22, 2011 at 11:18 am
“What appears to be a new batch of emails and other documents from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit has been released,” reports the BBC. The emails are accompanied by a new selection of pull-quotes that include words like “trick” and “deceptive” and “scheme,” causing right-wing hacks like the Telegraph’s James Delingpole to salivate about the threat of “Climategate 2.0&#8243; to “global warming loons.”
Climategate was a scandal of corrupt, deceitful, and shoddy reporting. In 2009, as all of the world’s leaders prepared to meet in Copenhagen to tackle global warming, thousands of emails from the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit webmail server — a top climate research center in the United Kingdom — were hacked and dumped on a Russian web server. Polluter-funded climate skeptics, along with their allies in conservative media and the Republican Party, sifted through the e-mails, and quickly cherry picked quotes to falsely accuse climate scientists of concocting climate change science out of whole cloth.
The results weren’t pretty — for the credibility and reputation of the news media. As several progressive and environmental organizations wrote in a letter in July 2010:
News outlets across the globe hastily published hundreds of stories — based on rumors, unsubstantiated claims, and the shoddy reporting of their competitors — questioning the overwhelming scientific consensus that human activities are causing climate change. One by one, the pillars of evidence supporting the alleged “scandals” have shattered, causing the entire storyline to come crashing down.
There have been nine independent investigations of the allegations made based on the stolen emails of scientific fraud and wrongdoing, and all of them cleared the scientists. In addition, a Koch-funded project independently confirmed the validity of the data at the heart of the claims of manipulation.
Pollution from burning fossil fuels continues to destroy our climate. There is now a record-breaking Category 4 storm, Hurricane Kenneth, in the eastern Pacific. The real scandal continues to be the failure to report and to act on the incontrovertible threat. Hopefully, journalists have learned their lesson.
Left wing talking points hardly constitute an objective source.

There is more CO2 in the atmosphere and yes, human activity is responsible. However, CO2 is only .036% of the atmosphere and an insignificant greenhouse gas. Water vapor is by far the biggest driver of global temperatures and since the earth is mostly covered by water, humans cannot affect the climate.

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#33 Jul 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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And your point is?
There is bias in all reporting but facts are facts. If there were a factual overview on global climate change void of agendas, there would be no discussion. It would be settled science. There is not and it is not. The 97% statistic that you and others who believe as you do is apparently based on skewed survey question. Regardless what James Taylor's agenda, that is a fact.
The truth is that from what I've read (from a variety of sources) over the past five plus years is that many scientists are backing away from their original assertions about the man-made natur of global climate change. Many of those saying that the predictions were overblown. Advice - follow the money.
On of the most effective tools of the left in general and global waming(climate change) alarmists in particular is making something a crisis. If there is a crisis then there is no time for serious, fact based discussion and debate. Look back ten years ago at the predictions and how we were told we must act immediately to stem the tide of global warming. The proposed solutions were often extreme and for the most part very expensive. Many were defeated and thank goodness that cooler heads prevailed or our economic situation would be much worse than it is now. Then, to top it off the dire predictions have not even come close to being realized. It's ten years on and global warming is in a stall.
What "dire" predictions about what would happen in 10 years? This is the typical dishonest, straw man argument global warming deniers love to trot out. "Oh, 10 years ago, you predicted that the world would have ended by now!" No. We are now just starting to experience the impact of our behaviors of about 30 years ago. And what are the "economic" consequences of that? For starters, how much will it cost all of us to recover from the increasingly severe weather patterns we are now just beginning to see? How much will it cost us to just recover from Hurricane Sandy alone?$70 billion?

Here's a brief summary of what exactly is at stake.

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#34 Jul 4, 2013
Truth wrote:
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And your point is?
There is bias in all reporting but facts are facts. If there were a factual overview on global climate change void of agendas, there would be no discussion. It would be settled science. There is not and it is not. The 97% statistic that you and others who believe as you do is apparently based on skewed survey question. Regardless what James Taylor's agenda, that is a fact.
The truth is that from what I've read (from a variety of sources) over the past five plus years is that many scientists are backing away from their original assertions about the man-made natur of global climate change. Many of those saying that the predictions were overblown. Advice - follow the money.
On of the most effective tools of the left in general and global waming(climate change) alarmists in particular is making something a crisis. If there is a crisis then there is no time for serious, fact based discussion and debate. Look back ten years ago at the predictions and how we were told we must act immediately to stem the tide of global warming. The proposed solutions were often extreme and for the most part very expensive. Many were defeated and thank goodness that cooler heads prevailed or our economic situation would be much worse than it is now. Then, to top it off the dire predictions have not even come close to being realized. It's ten years on and global warming is in a stall.
The point is, that is not reporting that is opinion.
zero

Syracuse, NY

#35 Jul 4, 2013
so easily brainwashed,,,,follow me little lamb.

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