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Why Bother With A Will

Utica, NY

#1 Jan 25, 2014
GOVERNMENT
YET ANOTHER REASON TO WORRY ABOUT OBAMACARE: PROPERTY SEIZURES?
Jan. 24, 2014 2:18pm Fred Lucas

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Obamacare requires everyone to have health insurance. In more than half of the states in the country, that comes through an expansion of Medicaid, the joint federal-state program for the poor. Under a 1993 federal law, states can recoup the costs of Medicaid by seizing the property of deceased Medicaid recipients.

Do you think there will be anything left for the loved ones to inherit? First you pay taxes to the government on the money you earn. Then you pay sales tax to the government for purchases with the money you already paid taxes on. Plus you pay property taxes on the house that you purchased under the prior steps. Then you are forced to sign up for Obamacare when the healthcare you had was satisfactory, but your employer pulled out of supplying the coverage. More and more companies are doing this on a daily basis. Soon ALL employers will pull out. Now that you are on Obamacare, when you die, you will give your property that started this merry go round, back to the GOVERNMENT. SWEET!!!!
I Agree

Utica, NY

#2 Jan 25, 2014
According to new employer surveys nearly 1 of every 10 midsized or big employers expect to stop offering health coverage to workers after insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014 as part of President Barack Obama's PPACA health legislation.

Two recent employer surveys were conducted by Towers Watson and Mercer Health and results were reported by Insurance News Net.

Towers Watson found in its July survey that an additional 1 in 5 companies are unsure about what they will do after 2014. Another big benefits consultant, Mercer, found in a June survey of large and smaller employers that 8 percent are either "likely" or "very likely" to end health benefits after the exchanges start.
It s True

Utica, NY

#5 Jan 28, 2014
Estate Attorney Anthony Zumpano was just on WKTV News at 5, and spoke about this very thing. He said how it used to be that certain people signed up under Medicaid and knowingly forfeited their assets. NOW, under Obamacare, people are placed on Medicaid for healthcare and are UNKNOWINGLY forfeiting their assets. Obama is the NEW Bernie Maddof.
Wrong

Clinton, NY

#9 Feb 7, 2014
According to Snopes this is not true...

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/penalt...
Da Law

Malone, NY

#10 Feb 7, 2014
Wrong wrote:
According to Snopes this is not true...
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/penalt...
The linked article has nothing to do with the Medicaid clawback provisions. It *does* point out that the IRS currently can't place liens for non-compliance with the mandatory purchase requirements of Obamacare. That can change at any time.

It's perfectly legal, and arguably quite appropriate, for Medicaid to attempt to chargeback health expenses to the estate of anyone over 55.
Confused

Clinton, NY

#11 Feb 7, 2014
Da Law wrote:
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The linked article has nothing to do with the Medicaid clawback provisions. It *does* point out that the IRS currently can't place liens for non-compliance with the mandatory purchase requirements of Obamacare. That can change at any time.
It's perfectly legal, and arguably quite appropriate, for Medicaid to attempt to chargeback health expenses to the estate of anyone over 55.
And what does this have to do with Obamacare. The title of the post says "OBAMACARE PROPERTY SEIZURES". Maybe the post should be title "Medicaid Property Seizures"...

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#12 Feb 7, 2014
Confused wrote:
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And what does this have to do with Obamacare. The title of the post says "OBAMACARE PROPERTY SEIZURES". Maybe the post should be title "Medicaid Property Seizures"...
What idiotic post like this fail to consider is, on a case by case basis, if an individual has "assets" and no health insurance, their assets are secure....unless they become ill.
If an individual has assets and Medicaid, any medicaid resources used by the individual will be offset by that individual's assets at their Death.

So these people would rather.....allow people with assets.....to utilize low income health insurance....and keep their assets?

Talk to anyone with a Parent or Spouse in a Nursing Facility, Obama didn't cause this issue, but at least we're talking about it.

The Affordable Care Act is not the beginning of the end, it is the end of the beginning

F*** Big Insurance Companies..
For The Record

Utica, NY

#14 Feb 7, 2014
This is what Obamacare has to do with it, Those who are forced to go on Obamacare because they don't have medical insurance, do NOT get a normal healthcare plan as we know it. They are covered under MEDICAID. Medicaid as we know it is usually for disabled or elderly at the poverty level, and you have to apply for it, be qualified to receive it and be approved for it, and knowingly agree to turn over any assets... Now, people with assets but no health insurance are put on Medicaid, thinking they are on regular healthcare and unknowingly will lose their assets. This is all well and good for you Obama supporters, BUT, when was this ever disclosed to the public to make us aware of this little snag. Just like "If you want to keep your insurance, or your present doctor, you can"! The White House refers to the million Americans that are being dumped by their insurance companies as a drop in the bucket compared to those getting coverage under Obamacare. However, they lost their coverage BECAUSE of Obamacare, and are now forced to go on Obamacare, and thus will lose their assets. Had it not been for this wonderful Ponzi Insurance Scheme, they would remain with their own insurance and their assets.
biorashfail

Wadsworth, IL

#16 Feb 7, 2014
The only way any black can accomplish anything is by stealing.
Da Law

Malone, NY

#17 Feb 8, 2014
Confused wrote:
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And what does this have to do with Obamacare. The title of the post says "OBAMACARE PROPERTY SEIZURES". Maybe the post should be title "Medicaid Property Seizures"...
Because the 55+ clawback is a feature of Obamacare. Qualification for Medicaid is now income based, not asset based.
Da Law

Malone, NY

#18 Feb 8, 2014
To clarify, the clawback has been around for years. It was the switch from asset to income based eligibility that allows states to seize estate assets.
However

Clinton, NY

#19 Feb 8, 2014
Da Law wrote:
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Because the 55+ clawback is a feature of Obamacare. Qualification for Medicaid is now income based, not asset based.
I beleive the Medicaid threshold is138% of the poverty level so this still leaves out a good portion of those on Obamacare

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#20 Feb 8, 2014
For The Record wrote:
This is what Obamacare has to do with it, Those who are forced to go on Obamacare because they don't have medical insurance, do NOT get a normal healthcare plan as we know it. They are covered under MEDICAID. Medicaid as we know it is usually for disabled or elderly at the poverty level, and you have to apply for it, be qualified to receive it and be approved for it, and knowingly agree to turn over any assets... Now, people with assets but no health insurance are put on Medicaid, thinking they are on regular healthcare and unknowingly will lose their assets. This is all well and good for you Obama supporters, BUT, when was this ever disclosed to the public to make us aware of this little snag. Just like "If you want to keep your insurance, or your present doctor, you can"! The White House refers to the million Americans that are being dumped by their insurance companies as a drop in the bucket compared to those getting coverage under Obamacare. However, they lost their coverage BECAUSE of Obamacare, and are now forced to go on Obamacare, and thus will lose their assets. Had it not been for this wonderful Ponzi Insurance Scheme, they would remain with their own insurance and their assets.
Everything you are saying is predicated on these individuals utilizing Medicaid for some sort of high cost procedure or condition, how would they have paid for it with no insurance?
Apparently the "Elephant in the room" is the "Public Option" Progressives were calling for and was ROUNDLY poo pooed by Conservatives.
What we ended up with is a watered down piece of garbage because the Republicans Pissed and Moaned (as they have for 100 years)about "Socialism" and it was NONSENSE!

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#21 Feb 8, 2014
biorashfail wrote:
The only way any black can accomplish anything is by stealing.
I think you are confused. You must mean Republican Politicians. ie.Presidential elections, Gerrymandered Congressional Districts.

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#22 Feb 8, 2014
Poor Bod wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody wants to debate the raving lunatic who's got screws loose. Whatever semantic you want to rtey whatever you say loony.
The results speak loudly for themselves your lies were droned out.
Obamacare
Benghazi
IRS
Attacking Political Parties
NSA
Lied about Guantanimo
16+ Trillion Dollars
Devastated US economy far far worse than Bush even Carter.
$150 Million Dollar Vacations
Disregard for Military Service
Acorn
Nancy Pelosi "We have to pass it to find out what's in it".
Now go read your Marx and shut thefuck up sock puppet phony retard. Whatever you say.
Get Help. Mental Health care is much more accessible now under the ACA.
Interesting

Clinton, NY

#24 Feb 8, 2014
Bodhisatva wrote:
<quoted text>I think you are confused. You must mean Republican Politicians. ie.Presidential elections, Gerrymandered Congressional Districts.
What is also interesting is almost all black congressman are Democrats:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-...

Same thing for Senators:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-...
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#26 Feb 8, 2014
Bodhisatva wrote:
<quoted text>Get Help. Mental Health care is much more accessible now under the ACA.
You are arguing with a mental patient. Someone should sue Rush Limbaugh. He's created legions of these whackadoodles.! Now he will say that you and me are the same person, as if there's only one non right winger in the whole country. Let's hope this screwball isn't allowed to handle firearms.
Da Law

Malone, NY

#27 Feb 8, 2014
Bodhisatva wrote:
<quoted text>What we ended up with is a watered down piece of garbage because the Republicans Pissed and Moaned (as they have for 100 years)about "Socialism" and it was NONSENSE!
Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with the passage of Obamacare, as I believe you've pointed out numerous times. Any flaws in the legislation are solely the responsibility of the Democrats that passed it.
Da Law

Malone, NY

#28 Feb 8, 2014
Bodhisatva wrote:
<quoted text>Get Help. Mental Health care is much more accessible now under the ACA.
I'm sure you're aware that the random capitalization of words is a symptom of several serious mental illnesses.

Please, tell us more about how easy it is to access quality mental health care now. I'm Sure we would All Like to Know MORE.
Da Law

Malone, NY

#29 Feb 8, 2014
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text> You are arguing with a mental patient.
Not to belabor a point, but only one person is showing clear signs of mental illness by randomly capitalizing words. That's a symptom of some pretty serious disorders, so we can only hope they've been evaluated and are receiving the proper treatment.

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