Democrats want to shut govt down
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#163 Oct 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
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My thanks.
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Would this be an example of the much-vaunted "civility" I've been hearing so much about?
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So, an elected official, acting in full compliance with both the US Constitution and the Rules of Order, needs psychiatric help if they don't think the right way.
Could you point out the nuance I'm failing to comprehend?
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So they aren't actually "terrorists"? That's good to know.
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No, I'm taking you at your word. Under the Obama administration a terrorist is subject to summary execution on order of the President. No trial, no judge, no jury, even if the terrorist is an American citizen. This isn't a secret, although the legal justification for it is.
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It seems more telling that you *don't* have a problem with them. Why, I can a remember a time not that long ago when the left had a serious problem with the idea of extra-judicial killings.
Times sure have changed, haven't they?
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In terms of constitutionality, you betcha. The Presidents war powers are well established, even if exercised in a distasteful manner.
While the Obama administration has repeatedly assured us that the Presidents extra-judicial killings are constitutional they still refuse to reveal the legal basis for that theory.
Call me misguided, but I thought we were a nation of laws. Justifying your actions with a secret law that no one can see seems a bit dodgy.
OK councilor try to pay attention. You are confusing Truth Digs posts with mine. I never used the term "terrorists" That was T.D. I'm guessing, based on your name, and condescending tone that you are a lawyer. You wouldn't be the first of that profession that's struggled with ADHD. So, I've never advocated that anyone be executed. Try to pay attention. Yes , using drones in 14 different countries is a very slippery slope. But, it beats the hell out of all out war. Do you have a better solution to getting rid of fanatical terrorists, who want to commit mass murder on Americans? No, I didn't think so. You make a huge assumption that I am a leftist. You have been mesmerized by the right wing hyper paranoid dogma. I am white, upper middle class, and an ex Marine. I would love to be a member of a sane conservative movement. As I am extremely conservative in my personal life. But, the conservative movement has been hijacked by what William F. Buckley (the best intellectual they've had by far) called the "vulgarites . I can tell by your reference to "the Regime" that you are a Limbaugh listener. And although I do appreciate your attempt at civility, it's difficult to take anyone serious who quotes such rubbish. Please tell me how you feel about Limbaugh's treatment last year of Sandra Fluke. Who was simply exercizing her rights as a citizen to petition congress on an issue that she had an interest in.
Scary

Utica, NY

#164 Oct 2, 2013
It is quite scary that so many people (not most) are following Fox News and talk radio and believe that Obama Care is wrong. We already pay for health care for welfare recipients but not for people who work. I do not agree with a lot of Obama Care but hopefully, those things will work themselves out. I fear for this country if people are ignorant and believe all that republicans tell them.
Truth Dig

New York, NY

#165 Oct 2, 2013
For some reason, my responses to the above keep getting deleted.
only one word for you

Whitesboro, NY

#166 Oct 2, 2013
"Given what's come of things, the intelligent answer is yes, time to go back to those days. Beyond the deplorable whippings and lynchings that have ceased, what real good has come of anything you reference since on the whole? We are in the biggest political, social, moral, economic, etc, world of shittt we've ever seen. You and yours offer nothing by way of solution, but much by way of adding to the problems in a fast and furious way. Amazing how dim viewed some of you really are. Who cares if the truth and logical solutions aren't politically correct, or insensitive or hurts and rough around the edges if it's honest, viable and more beneficial for everyone? We're all slaves at this stage- always really were- and you would continue in the way with a smile. So yeah, let's go back. Lots would be resolved today."

Clearly there is only one word for you,(*)!!
HA HA HA

Whitesboro, NY

#167 Oct 2, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
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Wow. Armed insurrection is treason, isn't it?
F.cking loon.
Either the jails or grave yards will be full of you looney tunes if you embark on such a disastrous fool hardy mission.
cormac

New Hartford, NY

#168 Oct 2, 2013
After reading only a small part of the posts here it is easy to figure out who listens to Limbaugh and those who swear by the verity of virtually every broadcast opposite.

To those that insist that the ACA is black letter law because the Supreme Court said it was constitutional and can never be revoked must feel the same way about the Dred Scott decision, various Jim Crow decisions or the Plessy decision.

The Supreme Court does not write laws it only decides if those laws conform with the Constitution. Many times the Supreme Court has ruled horrible legislation Constitutional but Congress can change those horrible laws.

And has done so in the past.

The ACA is a terrible law regardless of the Supreme Court's interpretation and will only create more complications, dependency and instability for a long time to come.

Congress should do everything it can to slow or stop this abomination before it does irreparable harm to the economy.

Not to mention that it allows the people in charge of your health care to know every little thing about you and allows them to decide what kind of care you deserve.

You don't get to choose. Some actuary somewhere gets to decide if your life is worth the investment in health care.

So in the end who do want to make your health care choices you and your family and doctor?

Or would you leave your fates in the uncaring hands of some bureaucrat?

Imagine that your health care could be politicized and if you end up on the losing end of an election
you may have your services "delayed".

The IRS has done that to the Tea Party.

Imagine if the Tea Party gained power and did the same to its adversaries?

Loons allright

United States

#169 Oct 2, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
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I though for sure I responded to this, but needless to say, "respectable adult discussion" is impossible with radicals who are hell bent on implementing an extreme agenda, even if they have to destroy the country to do it. It isn't that people are being too mean to them. That is irrelevant. They are f.cking loons. End of story.
By the tone and denial present in your sock puppeting and partythink it's easy to see that you're the f.cking loon. End of story.
Loons allright

United States

#170 Oct 2, 2013
Sock puppet city here. Funny anyone who disagrees with Obama "must be" a fox watching talk radio listening "extremist"!

Says it all about the loonerals!
Da Law

Syracuse, NY

#171 Oct 3, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
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I though for sure I responded to this, but needless to say, "respectable adult discussion" is impossible with radicals who are hell bent on implementing an extreme agenda, even if they have to destroy the country to do it.
So you consider the piecemeal passage of a continuing budget resolution an "extremist agenda"?
Da Law

Syracuse, NY

#172 Oct 3, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>OK councilor try to pay attention. You are confusing Truth Digs posts with mine. I never used the term "terrorists" That was T.D.
Well, then I guess we can let the administration's illegal response to terrorism slide.
I'm guessing, based on your name, and condescending tone that you are a lawyer.
I was unaware that politeness was a bad thing. Would you be more comfortable if I started spewing vulgarities?
You wouldn't be the first of that profession that's struggled with ADHD.
So now lawyers have joined the class of people you consider mentally ill? Forgive me, but you seem a bit quick to assume anyone disagreeing with you suffers from a mental disorder and is in need of "psychiatric help".

Is there a particular reason for that?
So, I've never advocated that anyone be executed. Try to pay attention. Yes , using drones in 14 different countries is a very slippery slope. But, it beats the hell out of all out war.
So you don't advocate executions, but you support the use of drones to execute people?
Do you have a better solution to getting rid of fanatical terrorists, who want to commit mass murder on Americans? No, I didn't think so.
Ah, so we are discussing the administration's illegal executions of terrorists after all.

Call me crazy, but the principal of due process set out in the Constitution has worked pretty well for over two centuries. I think it's safe to say we don't have to ignore it now, don't you?
You make a huge assumption that I am a leftist.
Not at all. I simply pointed out that there was a time the left had a problem with extra-judicial executions. Since you don't have a problem with those killings I fail to see how that characterizes you as a leftist.
You have been mesmerized by the right wing hyper paranoid dogma.
So opposition to killing people without the benefit of due process is now a right wing idea?

Funny, I thought it was a founding principle of the entire nation.
I am white, upper middle class, and an ex Marine.
As a Marine you've received formal instruction in the particulars of the UCMJ and international law regarding war crimes.

In your professional opinion as a warfighter, is mere suspicion legal justification for a battlefield execution?
I can tell by your reference to "the Regime" that you are a Limbaugh listener.
All these years I've been assuming that the word "regime" simply referred to the government in power. I'm shocked to learn that simply using certain words and phrases implies so much. Tell me, does my use of the term "due process" expose my membership in the KKK or any other organizations?
And although I do appreciate your attempt at civility, it's difficult to take anyone serious who quotes such rubbish.
Just to prevent further difficulties, could you provide me with a list of words I should avoid using in the future?
Please tell me how you feel about Limbaugh's treatment last year of Sandra Fluke. Who was simply exercizing her rights as a citizen to petition congress on an issue that she had an interest in.
And Mr. Limbaugh was exercising his right to criticize her. Why someone would be opposed to more birth control and abortions is beyond me, but such are his views.
Da Law

Syracuse, NY

#173 Oct 3, 2013
Scary wrote:
It is quite scary that so many people (not most) are following Fox News and talk radio and believe that Obama Care is wrong. We already pay for health care for welfare recipients but not for people who work. I do not agree with a lot of Obama Care but hopefully, those things will work themselves out.
Let me ask you a serious question. Given that we already have a catastrophic shortage of doctors in Central New York, how do you believe the Affordable Care Act will alleviate that problem?
Da Law

Syracuse, NY

#174 Oct 3, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
For some reason, my responses to the above keep getting deleted.
Is it possible that signing in and out of your account is the problem?
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#175 Oct 3, 2013
Da Law wrote:
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Well, then I guess we can let the administration's illegal response to terrorism slide.
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I was unaware that politeness was a bad thing. Would you be more comfortable if I started spewing vulgarities?
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So now lawyers have joined the class of people you consider mentally ill? Forgive me, but you seem a bit quick to assume anyone disagreeing with you suffers from a mental disorder and is in need of "psychiatric help".
Is there a particular reason for that?
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So you don't advocate executions, but you support the use of drones to execute people?
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Ah, so we are discussing the administration's illegal executions of terrorists after all.
Call me crazy, but the principal of due process set out in the Constitution has worked pretty well for over two centuries. I think it's safe to say we don't have to ignore it now, don't you?
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Not at all. I simply pointed out that there was a time the left had a problem with extra-judicial executions. Since you don't have a problem with those killings I fail to see how that characterizes you as a leftist.
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So opposition to killing people without the benefit of due process is now a right wing idea?
Funny, I thought it was a founding principle of the entire nation.
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As a Marine you've received formal instruction in the particulars of the UCMJ and international law regarding war crimes.
In your professional opinion as a warfighter, is mere suspicion legal justification for a battlefield execution?
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All these years I've been assuming that the word "regime" simply referred to the government in power. I'm shocked to learn that simply using certain words and phrases implies so much. Tell me, does my use of the term "due process" expose my membership in the KKK or any other organizations?
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Just to prevent further difficulties, could you provide me with a list of words I should avoid using in the future?
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And Mr. Limbaugh was exercising his right to criticize her. Why someone would be opposed to more birth control and abortions is beyond me, but such are his views.
You must have an enormous amount of free time to sit there all day and twist everything I say. Do you actually care about any of these issues, or are you obsessed with misquoting me? That's worse than using vulgarities. You're simply lying about what I've written. What does that accomplish?

Da Law

Syracuse, NY

#176 Oct 3, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>You must have an enormous amount of free time to sit there all day and twist everything I say.
I'm quoting you directly. It's hard to see how that "twists" what you're saying.
Do you actually care about any of these issues, or are you obsessed with misquoting me?
Please point out a single misquote. Just one.
That's worse than using vulgarities. You're simply lying about what I've written. What does that accomplish?
Dude, I'm *quoting* you. How is it even possible to be "lying" when your words are right there?

If you don't want to answer questions, like your professional opinion of war crimes, then don't. We're adults. I'm sure people will understand your reluctance.
LOL

United States

#177 Oct 3, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>You must have an enormous amount of free time to sit there all day and twist everything I say. Do you actually care about any of these issues, or are you obsessed with misquoting me? That's worse than using vulgarities. You're simply lying about what I've written. What does that accomplish?
This is priceless!! This sock puppet retard TruthDick has been on this thread about 1000 times compared to Da Law's (?) 20?

TruthDick is completely speechless to the point of really scraping the bottom of the barrel now so he decides that an "intelligent" angle of attack is to accuse Da Law of having "an enormous amount of free time" despite his hundreds of posts and astroturf self-support for the last two years here!

Hypocrite Democrat Liberal loony defined! Way to go ace! REal 'smart'!!!!
LOL

United States

#178 Oct 3, 2013
What do you expect from an idiot who still blames Bush and accuses everyone who doesn't agree with his unglued liberal rants and "extremist" with an "agenda"? This clown is such #AFuckingAsshole!

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#179 Oct 3, 2013
As a life-long conservative republican I am truly distressed by the takeover of the party by radical conservatives. I am also amazed that they canít see that they are doing more harm to their cause by moving further and further to the right. Although I agree with a majority of their ideas they are making it much more difficult to get their agenda moving by alienating a large number of the support base. This country will NEVER support a radical conservative president. Instead of moving toward the center to get some of their programs passed they are moving farther to the right and getting none of their agenda passed. A moderate republican would have easily defeated Obama but the tea-partiers hijacked the nomination and ended up losing to a highly vulnerable incumbent. When will they learn that the way to win is to run in the middle then move to the right? We will never get everything we want but we may get some of our goals accomplished if we learn to play the game right.

Defeating Obamacare with this congress will be impossible. We need to cut our loses and work toward getting control of the Senate. We will never win this political war by alienating those voters we someday hope to gain. We are trying to win a marathon by sprinting out of the gate. We need to accept that we canít stop Obamacare at this point in time. If we strengthen our base, move toward the center and get more moderates in office, then we will be able to move the party and the country toward more conservative ideals.
LOL

United States

#180 Oct 3, 2013
Talking about radicals, it only took the liberal dems 3 days to blame the shutdown on Bush LMFAO!!

http://www.nationaljournal.com/who-broke-wash...
cormac

Durhamville, NY

#181 Oct 3, 2013
Da Law,

Nice "Fisking"!

It is funny that certain folks claim you're misquoting them when you obviously are not only quoting them correctly but you have direct linked them from their own writing.

I guess now they'll be claiming that you took them out of context when plainly you have just taken their own words and beat them with them.

Some folks live in their own little worlds surrounded by the like minded. I couldn't imagine surrounding myself with the likes of Mathews, Schultz, Maddow, Krugman or Krisoff to the ignoring of Sowell, Krauthammer, V.D. Hanson or Barone.

But then again to follow the former and ignore the latter shows a lack of intellectual depth and maturity. Those that do "feel" rather than "think".

As the 17th century French playwright Racine observed, "Life to those that think is a comedy, to those that feel it is a tragedy.

Your "Fisking" of Mr Gleck or as everyone here knows him as well by his sock puppetry "Truth Dig" moniker was precious and to this thinking person it is comic gold.

To Gleck/Dig it is a tragedy.
Da Law

New York, NY

#182 Oct 3, 2013
cormac wrote:
Da Law,
Nice "Fisking"!
You're too kind. It's always nice to be appreciated.
It is funny that certain folks claim you're misquoting them when you obviously are not only quoting them correctly but you have direct linked them from their own writing.
I guess now they'll be claiming that you took them out of context when plainly you have just taken their own words and beat them with them.
I just wish the victory had a bit more impact. Sadly, many people just can't accept how devastating the ACA is going to be for central NY. More "access" means nothing when you don't even have enough doctors to serve your existing population.

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