Democrats want to shut govt down
Da Law

New York, NY

#143 Oct 2, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
<quoted text>Also look at environmental laws. It wasn't that long ago there were rivers which actually caught on fire due to so much pollution and toxic waste being piped into them from factories. The cancer rate along rivers and in river valleys was immense.
Er..that long ago? Are you even from the area? The Mohawk River is currently a toxic cesspool filled with industrial waste and raw sewage. The two top polluters, responsible for megatons of untreated waste flowing into the water, are the City of Utica and Oneida County. A private entity dumping that much waste into surface waters would be facing massive fines. Instead we're looking at continued "non-compliant emissions" until well into the 2040s.
Do you remember hearing about old abandoned factory sites where the soil was so toxic it would melt the soles of sneakers?
Er..does "Harbor Point" ring a bell? Seriously, do you even live here? Is the fact that one of the most contaminated sites in the world was in Utica news to you?
Do you want to bring back those good old days? The 'new' Republican Party want to. A large segament of them 'are' the very people which own the corporations that to raise profits will abuse workers.
You do realize that the vast majority of political contributions from the owners of Harbor Point have gone to Democratic politicians over the years, correct? Utica Gas and Electric, Utica Gasworks, Harbor Point Packaging, Niagara Mohawk, National Grid...the bulk of their corporate PAC and employee contributions were and are to Democrats.

If the ebil, ebil Republicans are behind this wholesale rape of the environment, then how can the current situation even exist? By my reckoning Democrats have controlled NY state government for 54 of the last 60 years and Utica city government for 49 of the last 60 years. If the Republicans had no power, how is the deplorable condition of Harbor Point and the Mohawk River even possible?
Dream your little Dream

United States

#144 Oct 2, 2013
Da Law, don't argue with these welfare recipient democrat libs. Anyone who can deny the sad sad reality of NY, Ca and Detroit's being led by Democrats over the last 50 years is truly clueless and just using Democrat as a touchy-feely label for self esteem and a claim to something... The Big Lie. They are better at twisting perceptions than running any government. They are better at ruining everything they touch with corruption than anyone else, as history proves they are better at bankrupting, scandals and starting wars than anyone else.

Blame the propaganda teachers in the propaganda sheep schools in NY for retards like this doofy know-it-all know-nothing big mouth chick above. Then laugh and thank go for people who are independent thinkers that don't look at their party for self-worth and a fraudulent badge of religion-like courage.

Ignore them, according to predictions the whole thing is about to collapse on them, they "got" what they want and that will seal their fate. Even Hillary is falling in the polls so this will all clear itself up. Best part: they did it to themselves!
The results don't lie, the Democrats and Repubs often do, but the Dems take the cake!
Da Law

New York, NY

#145 Oct 2, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I can tell by your use of the term "regime" that you are an avid Rush Limbaugh fan.
Your opinion is worthless.
So, just to be fair, let me make sure I have your world view right.

Elected officials that disagree with the ruling party are in need of "re-education" and "psychiatric help".

Elected representatives who support a piecemeal passage of a continuing resolution of the budget are "terrorists". They would, of course, be subject to the same extra-judicial executions supported by our President.

Politely asking for clarification of your views means that someone should be ignored. On the bright side, at least that doesn't get them tossed in the potentially fatal "terrorist" category.

Do I have that right?
Loonie Lib Sock Puppets

United States

#146 Oct 2, 2013
That's the loony lib partysheep worldview in a nutshell for you!
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#147 Oct 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
<quoted text>
So, just to be fair, let me make sure I have your world view right.
Elected officials that disagree with the ruling party are in need of "re-education" and "psychiatric help".
Elected representatives who support a piecemeal passage of a continuing resolution of the budget are "terrorists". They would, of course, be subject to the same extra-judicial executions supported by our President.
Politely asking for clarification of your views means that someone should be ignored. On the bright side, at least that doesn't get them tossed in the potentially fatal "terrorist" category.
Do I have that right?
I appreciate your civil tone. It's very unusual from the right wing. However your reading comprehension needs some work.
I said nothing about officials "disagreeing" with the ruling party needing psychiatric care. But, radical idealogues who are happy to hold the entire country hostage because they didn't get their way do need help. " Terrorists" is not my term. Sure it's hyperbole but, that's not unusual on these sites. As for " executions" You're just being a dick by misquoting me. You seem to have a real problem with drones and missiles. Do you prefer Bush's approach, of bombing the crap out of whole countries and invading them?
Da Law

New York, NY

#148 Oct 2, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll use another example from where I'm from, the appalachian mountains.
Ah, that explains your unfamiliarity with the environmental disasters here in Blue NY.
Btw, right now aren't these very same companies that did this now fully endorsing and donating to the Republican Party (in which they want to do away with or restrict the EPA, Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and lessen the power of mining enforcement agencies)? That says something important.
Yet here in Central NY, with some of the toughest worker protection and environmental laws in the nation, we have a river filled with human and industrial waste. How can this possibly be? Somehow, despite total Democratic dominance from the local to the state level and laws that exceed most federal standards, we're still at ground zero of an environmental disaster.

What am I to believe? You, or my lying eyes?

I'm also curious why you ignored this:
Help me out here. What party was in power when the public coffers were looted to bail out private interests? And once that looting was done, what party blithely refused to prosecute a single individual? I seem to recall much talk of "getting tough", but there seems to be a notable dearth of subpoenas flying around.


I admittedly have few dealings with Federal prosecutors, but it would appear that, well, no one has gone to jail. Is this too a part of some insidious plot by the ebil Republicans? Have they seized control of the SEC and Justice Department while I was occupied elsewhere?
Da Law

New York, NY

#149 Oct 2, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I appreciate your civil tone.
My thanks.
It's very unusual from the right wing. However your reading comprehension needs some work.
Would this be an example of the much-vaunted "civility" I've been hearing so much about?
I said nothing about officials "disagreeing" with the ruling party needing psychiatric care. But, radical idealogues who are happy to hold the entire country hostage because they didn't get their way do need help.
So, an elected official, acting in full compliance with both the US Constitution and the Rules of Order, needs psychiatric help if they don't think the right way.

Could you point out the nuance I'm failing to comprehend?
"Terrorists" is not my term. Sure it's hyperbole but, that's not unusual on these sites.
So they aren't actually "terrorists"? That's good to know.
As for " executions" You're just being a dick by misquoting me.
No, I'm taking you at your word. Under the Obama administration a terrorist is subject to summary execution on order of the President. No trial, no judge, no jury, even if the terrorist is an American citizen. This isn't a secret, although the legal justification for it is.
You seem to have a real problem with drones and missiles.
It seems more telling that you *don't* have a problem with them. Why, I can a remember a time not that long ago when the left had a serious problem with the idea of extra-judicial killings.

Times sure have changed, haven't they?
Do you prefer Bush's approach, of bombing the crap out of whole countries and invading them?
In terms of constitutionality, you betcha. The Presidents war powers are well established, even if exercised in a distasteful manner.

While the Obama administration has repeatedly assured us that the Presidents extra-judicial killings are constitutional they still refuse to reveal the legal basis for that theory.

Call me misguided, but I thought we were a nation of laws. Justifying your actions with a secret law that no one can see seems a bit dodgy.

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Since: May 11

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#150 Oct 2, 2013
American wrote:
<quoted text>
The Tea Party is just the beginning of your troubles Dear. We are Patriots. We are working class. We will no longer tolerate your b.s. progressive liberal democrat message in the media. We intend to take our country back. By force if need be.
Wow. Armed insurrection is treason, isn't it?

F.cking loon.
Partysheep loonies

United States

#151 Oct 2, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. Armed insurrection is treason, isn't it?
F.cking loon.
No retard, obviously you don't have any clue how the US became the US. Another ridiculous rant from the liberal loonie. Now switch over to your sock puppet and agree with yourself. Did you think a few similarities and quirks weren't obvious partysheep loser?

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Since: May 11

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#152 Oct 2, 2013
Obama Wins Huge wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember you heard it first on this day! TED CRUZ will never be president ! He couldn't beat my meat. The man comes from the most ignorant voting state Texass. OBMAMA ROCKS !!! Get over it losers YOU LOST ! Electoral Vote, and Popular Vote!! Nobody likes you or what you stand for !!!
By Tea Party rules, foreign born Ted Creep is ineligible for the office even if the maniacs wanted him.
Major Payne

Utica, NY

#153 Oct 2, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
To me it's always been strange that it's so easy for large corporations and the ultra-rich to convince people who don't have much to give more to them. When those type people and corporations are permitted to control our government ..... well, you can see the danger in that, what type abuses can result. Throughout history this is what left the door open to varied levels of feudal systems. Present dangers are they for personal profit seek less noticeable changes such as less worker safety laws, reductions in environmental laws, doing away with worker arbitration, abolishing minimum wage, doing away with important controls regulating things like Wall Street (you cannot turn large corporations loose or small businesses are gone forever, or allow things such as inside trading), and many other harmful things.
Our nation's forefathers saw and knew the danger of what I'm speaking of. It happened even back then and they fought against it.
“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
-- Thomas Jefferson
They saw it would be a continuing danger. They (our founders) gave us warning. I think that danger is prevalent particularly now within a large element of the Republican Party.
“The end of democracy and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.”
-- James Madison
“There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by…corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.”
-- James Madison
The serious danger right now is that they (the bad guys) are finding it easier to obtain these goals. The tea party and far too many Republican Party supporters are playing right into their hands.
Making it far easier for the bad guys to get what they want is what I said in my second paragraph in my last post (post #133).
Do a "little" investigation and see the forest for the trees baby- yo pappy obamma is a true globalist and is supported by, in bed with and does much of the bidding of globalist business and multinational conglomerations. So, where's your buzzword crybabying on that? If the obofuhrer REALLY CARED FOR YOU AND ME/US he would enact toothy directives like eliminate the fed, destroy MONSANTO, remove dyes and aspartame, etc, and the profligate amount unpronounceable chemicals, synthetics and mad science that is truly making us disgustingly sick and diseased and hooked on the medical/pharmaceutical syndicate!!! This ain't even touching the surface either. Hello????? Do you get it at all or are you and Truth Dig, lefty larry, and the peanut gallery too busy stroking each other to really pay attention? Obammacare my asssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ss! When will you sycophants wise up and stop enabling???? I don't give a fkkk who's the criminal-in-chief in Wash.D.C., it's all massive syndicated racket! Jesus Mary and Joseph!!!
Da Law

New York, NY

#154 Oct 2, 2013
Partysheep loonies wrote:
<quoted text>No retard, obviously you don't have any clue how the US became the US.
Er..he doesn't really have to. The legal definition of treason is pretty clear: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/238...

There is some wiggle room based on repudiation of citizenship. That's what kept most of the Confederate leaders from swinging from a rope. Given all the other Federal crimes you could be charged with for armed insurrection, treason is probably the least of your problems.
Da Law

New York, NY

#155 Oct 2, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
<quoted text>
By Tea Party rules, foreign born Ted Creep is ineligible for the office even if the maniacs wanted him.
Is this more of that "civility" I've been hearing so much about?

Level 7

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#156 Oct 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
<quoted text>
Is this more of that "civility" I've been hearing so much about?
Not sure what you're talking about. If only we spoke nicer to Ted Cruz and other Tea Party maniacs, we all could join together and reach a reasonable, bipartisan compromise on all major issues, right?
Da Law

New York, NY

#157 Oct 2, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure what you're talking about.
I'm shocked, simply shocked, that the idea of civil discourse is foreign to you.
If only we spoke nicer to Ted Cruz and other Tea Party maniacs, we all could join together and reach a reasonable, bipartisan compromise on all major issues, right?
I'm sure name calling and rampant tribalism will be far more effective. The absolute last thing you would want to do is engage in any kind of respectful adult discussion.

Level 7

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#158 Oct 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm shocked, simply shocked, that the idea of civil discourse is foreign to you.
<quoted text>
I'm sure name calling and rampant tribalism will be far more effective. The absolute last thing you would want to do is engage in any kind of respectful adult discussion.
Of course, you're absolutely right. For example, the radical "tribalism" of Obama is the reason why our government is deadlocked right now. His radical liberalism is the reason why the Republican Party has shut down the government and is threatening a catastrophic default on the national debt. If only Obama were more "civil" to his Tea Party counterparts, things would be getting done, right? We wouldn't be in this mess. So disrespectful. If only we had more "adults" in charge.*sigh*

Giving credence to radical lunatics is not evidence of "adulthood." Pretending nihilistic maniacs are people acting in good faith is naïve to a delusional extreme and a recipe for disaster. Just look at the state of things right now.
Tells

United States

#159 Oct 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm shocked, simply shocked, that the idea of civil discourse is foreign to you.
<quoted text>
I'm sure name calling and rampant tribalism will be far more effective. The absolute last thing you would want to do is engage in any kind of respectful adult discussion.
No, he does that under his other sock puppet names but several tells always give it away.
Obonzo Care

New York, NY

#160 Oct 2, 2013
Faxton St Lukes just laid off a bunch of people today. I'm sure it's got nothing to do with unaffordable health care. Just the start.
Bill

Carthage, NY

#161 Oct 2, 2013
American wrote:
<quoted text>
What are you smoking? Ted Cruz and a few others are true patriots. They are the only Senators with the stones to truly represent the will of the people. Keep drinking the main stream media kool aid, pal.
"the will of the people" covers 5% of the population who are far right extremists.

Level 7

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#162 Oct 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm shocked, simply shocked, that the idea of civil discourse is foreign to you.
<quoted text>
I'm sure name calling and rampant tribalism will be far more effective. The absolute last thing you would want to do is engage in any kind of respectful adult discussion.
I though for sure I responded to this, but needless to say, "respectable adult discussion" is impossible with radicals who are hell bent on implementing an extreme agenda, even if they have to destroy the country to do it. It isn't that people are being too mean to them. That is irrelevant. They are f.cking loons. End of story.

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