Democrats want to shut govt down
Insider

Syracuse, NY

#123 Oct 2, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>No. They just need some remedial education, psychiatric counciling , and probably some laxatives.
So we need to establish some kind of...re-education program for politicians that defy the regime?

Well, at least we aren't raining Hellfire missiles on them from orbiting drones. I guess that's an improvement.
Really

Herkimer, NY

#124 Oct 2, 2013
Insider wrote:
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So we need to establish some kind of...re-education program for politicians that defy the regime?
Well, at least we aren't raining Hellfire missiles on them from orbiting drones. I guess that's an improvement.
I believe that a member of the US Senate should follow the rules of that body in the daily dealings of their responsibilities. If a member chooses not to follow the rules he/she should resign their seat.
Larry Dack

Utica, NY

#125 Oct 2, 2013
Insider wrote:
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So we need to establish some kind of...re-education program for politicians that defy the regime?
Well, at least we aren't raining Hellfire missiles on them from orbiting drones. I guess that's an improvement.
That day is coming for "dissidents" here in America. Soon, protesting the govt will lead to concentration camp round-ups for such unpatriotic American terrr'ists. This is sure not a tongue-in-cheek statement.
Insider

Syracuse, NY

#126 Oct 2, 2013
Really wrote:
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I believe that a member of the US Senate should follow the rules of that body in the daily dealings of their responsibilities. If a member chooses not to follow the rules he/she should resign their seat.
What member of the Senate do you believe is "ignoring the rules"?
Really

Herkimer, NY

#127 Oct 2, 2013
American wrote:
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The Tea Party is just the beginning of your troubles Dear. We are Patriots. We are working class. We will no longer tolerate your b.s. progressive liberal democrat message in the media. We intend to take our country back. By force if need be.
You call yourself American and patriot; but what you really are is just another tea party moron. You cannot adjust to any change and will stomp your feet like a little spoiled child.
You will go the way of Bachman and Palin. No character.
Insider

Syracuse, NY

#128 Oct 2, 2013
Really wrote:
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You call yourself American and patriot; but what you really are is just another tea party moron. You cannot adjust to any change and will stomp your feet like a little spoiled child.
Do you believe that would make him a suitable candidate for re-education and psychiatric treatment?
Obama Wins Huge

Ardsley, NY

#129 Oct 2, 2013
American wrote:
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What are you smoking? Ted Cruz and a few others are true patriots. They are the only Senators with the stones to truly represent the will of the people. Keep drinking the main stream media kool aid, pal.
Remember you heard it first on this day! TED CRUZ will never be president ! He couldn't beat my meat. The man comes from the most ignorant voting state Texass. OBMAMA ROCKS !!! Get over it losers YOU LOST ! Electoral Vote, and Popular Vote!! Nobody likes you or what you stand for !!!
lefty larry

Syracuse, NY

#130 Oct 2, 2013
holey moley. this thread sure has grown legs since yesterday. not surprising i guess. some things now undeniable though. the ACA is hugely popular! 2.8 million visits to the federal sight alone! web sites can't even handle the sudden onslaught of traffic and inquiries! now some bagger boys and girls are calling that a bad thing but as usual they're clueless. these glitches will be addressed and corrected. the traffic will level off and everyone who visits will be served well before the march 1 deadline. any business owner i know would love to have a product debut like this one!
my friend "bagger buster" commented in today's LA Times:
"Hey baggers-- I guess you were right.
Nobody wants Obamacare, huh? Everybody wants it repealed, huh? Everybody hates it, huh?
Well, you sure were right. Californians 'hate' it so much that they crashed the website trying to sign up for it!
LOL! Oh, you baggers keep me in stitches.:)"
right you are BB! man i wish i was selling a product that could illicit numbers like those!
Shocker

Utica, NY

#131 Oct 2, 2013
lefty larry wrote:
holey moley. this thread sure has grown legs since yesterday. not surprising i guess. some things now undeniable though. the ACA is hugely popular! 2.8 million visits to the federal sight alone! web sites can't even handle the sudden onslaught of traffic and inquiries! now some bagger boys and girls are calling that a bad thing but as usual they're clueless. these glitches will be addressed and corrected. the traffic will level off and everyone who visits will be served well before the march 1 deadline. any business owner i know would love to have a product debut like this one!
my friend "bagger buster" commented in today's LA Times:
"Hey baggers-- I guess you were right.
Nobody wants Obamacare, huh? Everybody wants it repealed, huh? Everybody hates it, huh?
Well, you sure were right. Californians 'hate' it so much that they crashed the website trying to sign up for it!
LOL! Oh, you baggers keep me in stitches.:)"
right you are BB! man i wish i was selling a product that could illicit numbers like those!
You're a true mental midget, aren't you? 240 million voting-eligible Americans and you get a woody over 2.8 million (numbers reported by the obuma press corps itself) people visiting the website of an unprecedently media hyped topic??? Really? Considering the source, and that if you do the math, that contrived number represents a very small percentage of Americans; A minority in the absolute. Taken together with the fact that a significant count of that suspect number are researchers, fact-finders and the generally curious, etc, the reality is even less significant. What's even more telling (and laughable) is how the dictator-in-chief and his cronies have even tried to infer that the alleged website crash is directly due to the govt shut down, which is caused by his political enemies in Congress. Therefore the can't miss take away is the dictator's enemies are also the enemies of America and it's citizens. Propaganda at its best, and you my pathetic little spiked kool-aid bonging nemesis swallow it whole without pause, burps or hiccups, then turn about and regurgitate it up and into the "mouths" of the other mental noodles out here. If you're NOT getting paid by the dictator, et al, then you seriously should reconsider the price of your good and hard work!
Thanks Democrats

Ardsley, NY

#132 Oct 2, 2013
What a great country thank you President Obama and Democrats in congress now I can buy health insurance for my family of 4. What a great thing you have done for the people of America!

Since: Sep 09

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#133 Oct 2, 2013
American wrote:
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The Tea Party is just the beginning of your troubles Dear. We are Patriots. We are working class. We will no longer tolerate your b.s. progressive liberal democrat message in the media. We intend to take our country back. By force if need be.
There are those words again.

One problem is all they (the bad guys, meaning the more unethical large corporations, politicians, and ultra-rich) have to do is say certain words and some people lose all common sense and will allow anything, allow any abuse, fall for any political con. Words such as Liberal, God, Patriot, Gay, Socialism (in the 1950's the word was Commie), and right now at this moment along with those words it's the word Obamacare. At the use of any of those words tea party followers and too many Republican supporters will stop looking at anything factual and will instantly support the person who used the word.

You have even fallen for it to the extent you threaten to use violence against your own nation and other Americans (who do you think are the police officers and military which will have to deal with your craziness if you resort to violence, and the innocent workers and people caught in the crossfire and bombings)?

But the words 'by force if need be' sounds so patriotic and cool, huh? Much better than saying what it really means ..... killing and death.

Since: Sep 09

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#134 Oct 2, 2013
To me it's always been strange that it's so easy for large corporations and the ultra-rich to convince people who don't have much to give more to them. When those type people and corporations are permitted to control our government ..... well, you can see the danger in that, what type abuses can result. Throughout history this is what left the door open to varied levels of feudal systems. Present dangers are they for personal profit seek less noticeable changes such as less worker safety laws, reductions in environmental laws, doing away with worker arbitration, abolishing minimum wage, doing away with important controls regulating things like Wall Street (you cannot turn large corporations loose or small businesses are gone forever, or allow things such as inside trading), and many other harmful things.

Our nation's forefathers saw and knew the danger of what I'm speaking of. It happened even back then and they fought against it.

“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
-- Thomas Jefferson

They saw it would be a continuing danger. They (our founders) gave us warning. I think that danger is prevalent particularly now within a large element of the Republican Party.

“The end of democracy and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.”
-- James Madison

“There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by…corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.”
-- James Madison

The serious danger right now is that they (the bad guys) are finding it easier to obtain these goals. The tea party and far too many Republican Party supporters are playing right into their hands.

Making it far easier for the bad guys to get what they want is what I said in my second paragraph in my last post (post #133).
LIbtards

United States

#135 Oct 2, 2013
Thanks Democrats wrote:
What a great country thank you President Obama and Democrats in congress now I can buy health insurance for my family of 4. What a great thing you have done for the people of America!
Yeah thank the people who paid for it not the clueless libs who are about to lose everything lol! Time will tell and that will be everything we need to finally bury these progressive libs and dems who devastated NY Cali and Detroit. The results speak VOLUMES about how clueless and desperate they are.
Da Law

New York, NY

#136 Oct 2, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
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You have even fallen for it to the extent you threaten to use violence against your own nation and other Americans (who do you think are the police officers and military which will have to deal with your craziness if you resort to violence, and the innocent workers and people caught in the crossfire and bombings)?
But the words 'by force if need be' sounds so patriotic and cool, huh? Much better than saying what it really means ..... killing and death.
Much better to paint political opponents as "terrorists", "maniacs", and "hostage takers" in need of "re-education" and "psychiatric help".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the current administration's policy allows the President to unilaterally execute "terrorists". No judge, no jury, just a Hellfire missile falling from the sky. I'm even lead to understand that this is "constitutional", although the actual legal reasoning remains classified.

Please, tell us more about "craziness".
lefty larry

Syracuse, NY

#137 Oct 2, 2013
Thanks Democrats wrote:
What a great country thank you President Obama and Democrats in congress now I can buy health insurance for my family of 4. What a great thing you have done for the people of America!
true that my friend. too bad it took centuries for us to move toward equal access to healthcare for all like every other civilized/industrialized nation on the planet. we still have a long way to go for a single payer system but we're on the right track. i'm pleased to have been part of it's rise by voting accordingly. b!tch slappin' the tea baggers is icing on the cake!
Da Law

New York, NY

#138 Oct 2, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
When those type people and corporations are permitted to control our government ..... well, you can see the danger in that, what type abuses can result. Throughout history this is what left the door open to varied levels of feudal systems.
Could you provide an example? Feudalism in most of the west was long gone by the time the joint stock corporation was invented. In those places where it persisted into the 19th and 20th centuries, like Russian and India, the two concepts were mutually antagonistic. Corporations, outside of the royally chartered private investment vehicles, couldn't form until peasants were freed from their landed obligations, freeing up labor and capital.
The serious danger right now is that they (the bad guys) are finding it easier to obtain these goals. The tea party and far too many Republican Party supporters are playing right into their hands.
Help me out here. What party was in power when the public coffers were looted to bail out private interests? And once that looting was done, what party blithely refused to prosecute a single individual? I seem to recall much talk of "getting tough", but there seems to be a notable dearth of subpoenas flying around.
Da Law

New York, NY

#139 Oct 2, 2013
lefty larry wrote:
<quoted text>true that my friend. too bad it took centuries for us to move toward equal access to healthcare for all like every other civilized/industrialized nation on the planet.
I'm curious how you define a "move toward equal access". The entire central New York region is currently suffering from a massive shortage of doctors, particularly in rural areas. Almost every county is understaffed with primary care physicians, and the shortfall in specialty practices is even more acute. In some places pregnant women have to drive for hours in order to see obtain even basic prenatal services.

Given that the ACA imposes new reporting requirements on physicians, and cuts the reimbursements of doctors that fail to meet targeted provider goals, how do you think it serves the interests of "equal access"?

Since: Sep 09

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#140 Oct 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
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Could you provide an example? Feudalism in most of the west was long gone by the time the joint stock corporation was invented. In those places where it persisted into the 19th and 20th centuries, like Russian and India, the two concepts were mutually antagonistic. Corporations, outside of the royally chartered private investment vehicles, couldn't form until peasants were freed from their landed obligations, freeing up labor and capital.
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Help me out here. What party was in power when the public coffers were looted to bail out private interests? And once that looting was done, what party blithely refused to prosecute a single individual? I seem to recall much talk of "getting tough", but there seems to be a notable dearth of subpoenas flying around.
Did you know factories used to have the nickname of 'sweat shops'? Why was that?

If you don't think companies don't abuse employees if permitted to do so you are in for a shock if worker protections are removed.

Just look at one set of laws, worker safety laws. Compare the injury, death, and illness rate in factories and in mines before worker safety laws as compared to after they were put in place. The owners could have just as easily back then have cared about workers and gave them safer conditions ..... but did they? Nope. The injury, death, and illness rate reveals that. It will be like that again if large sums of money (profit) are involved. Just look at some of the factories at this moment in China and other nations.

If you don't think workers can't be viewed as and treated like low-paid slave-labor you are wrong. Particularly in low-income areas such as the Appalachian Mountains. There was a time when the Appalachians were viewed as only a small step above low-income Mexico. The workers were taken advantage of and far too many abuses occurred and were permitted because there wasn't any laws protecting them from it.

Also look at environmental laws. It wasn't that long ago there were rivers which actually caught on fire due to so much pollution and toxic waste being piped into them from factories. The cancer rate along rivers and in river valleys was immense.

And it was nearly impossible to live near a lot of factories due to air pollution. Do you remember hearing about old abandoned factory sites where the soil was so toxic it would melt the soles of sneakers? There were a number of lawsuits by people who unknowingly purchased land such as these to build homes on. One making national news was where an elementary school was built on one. The school had to be closed because after playing on the playground their (the children's) shoes began melting.

Do you want to bring back those good old days? The 'new' Republican Party want to. A large segament of them 'are' the very people which own the corporations that to raise profits will abuse workers. Who do you think are the type which did it in the past? Someone did. They will again if allowed. Money rules. How do you think some of them got it?
Ben Gleck

Oriskany Falls, NY

#141 Oct 2, 2013
Insider wrote:
<quoted text>
So we need to establish some kind of...re-education program for politicians that defy the regime?
Well, at least we aren't raining Hellfire missiles on them from orbiting drones. I guess that's an improvement.
I can tell by your use of the term "regime" that you are an avid Rush Limbaugh fan.
Your opinion is worthless.

Since: Sep 09

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#142 Oct 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
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Could you provide an example? Feudalism in most of the west was long gone by the time the joint stock corporation was invented. In those places where it persisted into the 19th and 20th centuries, like Russian and India, the two concepts were mutually antagonistic. Corporations, outside of the royally chartered private investment vehicles, couldn't form until peasants were freed from their landed obligations, freeing up labor and capital.
<quoted text>
Help me out here. What party was in power when the public coffers were looted to bail out private interests? And once that looting was done, what party blithely refused to prosecute a single individual? I seem to recall much talk of "getting tough", but there seems to be a notable dearth of subpoenas flying around.
I'll use another example from where I'm from, the appalachian mountains. It was as abusive as anything from 1400's medieval times. Large mining companies could do as they pleased to workers. Safety didn't play any role. Miners were injured, killed, and suffered work related illnesses (black lung only one of them) on a vast scale. The owners and corporations wouldn't even pay the workers. They paid in what was called 'script'. In other words it was like monopoly money (the game). It was company printed money only usable at stores owned by the mining company. And the workers lived in company owned wooden houses (rented by paying company script). Great for company profits (they didn't even pay the workers real money), but not for anyone working for them.

Btw, right now aren't these very same companies that did this now fully endorsing and donating to the Republican Party (in which they want to do away with or restrict the EPA, Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and lessen the power of mining enforcement agencies)? That says something important.

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