Democrats want to shut govt down
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#62 Sep 30, 2013
A Gov't shutdown is a big scare tactic the Dems. are using. The Repubs. need to stand there ground. Tip O'Neil a dem. shut the gov't down 12 times. 60% of the people are clueless about the shutdown it will last a day or two, they will settle and on we go.
wow

Utica, NY

#63 Sep 30, 2013
dustyroads wrote:
A Gov't shutdown is a big scare tactic the Dems. are using. The Repubs. need to stand there ground. Tip O'Neil a dem. shut the gov't down 12 times. 60% of the people are clueless about the shutdown it will last a day or two, they will settle and on we go.
You must be standing on your head while watching the news.
Just in: Ted Cruz is a Republican, Tea Party, Sarah Palin wannabe; not a Democrat. He and his joined now by John Boehner (questioning his own motives), are attempting to shut down govt. Get educated first, then report back to me. Ill let you know when you are ready for prime time:)

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Since: May 11

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#64 Sep 30, 2013
Great idea. Let's just pretend the guy wasn't re-elected by 5 million votes.

What a bunch of f.cking loons.
wow

Utica, NY

#65 Sep 30, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
Great idea. Let's just pretend the guy wasn't re-elected by 5 million votes.
What a bunch of f.cking loons.
You sound like a bright guy. Ted Cruz is nine months into his FIRST term as a US Senator.
Now, where is Your credibility? Please come back Truth Dig.
wow

Utica, NY

#66 Sep 30, 2013
Earth to Truth Dig, come in Truth Dig. You are not the first to bare his ignorance to the masses. Show yourself, ignorant one.
Nuts are now in charge

Utica, NY

#67 Oct 1, 2013
Truth wrote:
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The president did not win by a huge margin. While the Electoral College vote was 332 to 206 because of the winner take all nature of that system, the popular vote was 51% to 47%. Hardly a landslide. Add the increased participation among minority voters purely because of President Obama's complexion and it's even less of a win. But, a win is a win. It certainly wasn't a win that would carry a mandate though.
Keep watching MSNBC and fooling yourself though. Just like those who defended President Carter 1976-80, I believe that when the history is written we'll see that what is going on right now will have paved the road to disaster for our country financially and culturally.
I'm not a Republican by the way. If I had to categorize my politics I say I was little 'l' Libertarian.
President won with over 5,000,000 votes. Elections wasn't any way close. You display the typical denial mentality of the nit wits that have created the mess were in tonight. Congratulations..
The insane have taken over the asylum.
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#68 Oct 1, 2013
Nuts are now in charge wrote:
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President won with over 5,000,000 votes. Elections wasn't any way close. You display the typical denial mentality of the nit wits that have created the mess were in tonight. Congratulations..
The insane have taken over the asylum.
You sound more like a "little L" looney toon. If you had only a modicum of self awareness you would see how racist you are.

According to your simple minded political analysis , Obama got elected because of his "complexion". You don't seem to have much respect for the intelligence of black people. Do you base your votes on "complexion?" Of course not, you say. That would make you shallow and stupid. Bu, you assume that all people of color are that dumb.

You also conveniently forget about all the white people who would never vote for a person of color. Since when is having dark skin an advantage in America? Romney lost that election because he was a terrible candidate. But, he was the best of the most absurd collection of screw balls the G.O.P. ever ran. BTW I know who you are.
Truth

Utica, NY

#69 Oct 1, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>You sound more like a "little L" looney toon. If you had only a modicum of self awareness you would see how racist you are.
According to your simple minded political analysis , Obama got elected because of his "complexion". You don't seem to have much respect for the intelligence of black people. Do you base your votes on "complexion?" Of course not, you say. That would make you shallow and stupid. Bu, you assume that all people of color are that dumb.
You also conveniently forget about all the white people who would never vote for a person of color. Since when is having dark skin an advantage in America? Romney lost that election because he was a terrible candidate. But, he was the best of the most absurd collection of screw balls the G.O.P. ever ran. BTW I know who you are.
Don't be so naive. It's not racist at all but I do understand that is the popular response with many who refuse to give the facts an honest look. To say that the president's ethnicity did not play a part in his election is to ignore the truth. Example. I saw the comedian Steve Harvey during that election cycle and as part of his act he told a story about being on a plane and having a discussion about the upcoming election with a white man. When the white man asked if Harvey was voting for Mr. Obama because he was black he replied "Yeah, you got a problem with that?". The mostly black audience erupted in applause as though that was an intelligent statement. While just a microcosm of America it does represent well what happened. All of those youtube videos with black people talking about all of the things they were going to get when Mr. Obama was elected still exist. In that election, and 2012 for that matter, turnout among blacks, Hispanics and young(liberal) people was very high and key to the president's election both times. I'm not just saying that. It's a fact and you can look it up. Add the "look at how progressive I am, I voted for a black guy" crowd and you get what we have now. Romney wasn't a bad candidate. He got 47% of the popular vote for crying out loud. President Obama got 51%. Like I said, hardly a landslide or a margin where anyone could reasonably declare a mandate.

So yes, the president's complexion did have everything to do with his election. It certainly wasn't his experience. As junior senator from Illinois he served less than one term.

I think the president is a nice man and has a nice family. I think he's a very intelligent man who was able to overcome a number of things to achieve what he has. I just don't think he's good at being president and I think history will show that.
Truth

Utica, NY

#70 Oct 1, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>You sound more like a "little L" looney toon. If you had only a modicum of self awareness you would see how racist you are.
According to your simple minded political analysis , Obama got elected because of his "complexion". You don't seem to have much respect for the intelligence of black people. Do you base your votes on "complexion?" Of course not, you say. That would make you shallow and stupid. Bu, you assume that all people of color are that dumb.
You also conveniently forget about all the white people who would never vote for a person of color. Since when is having dark skin an advantage in America? Romney lost that election because he was a terrible candidate. But, he was the best of the most absurd collection of screw balls the G.O.P. ever ran. BTW I know who you are.
Who am I?
Just initials if you like.
lefty larry

Syracuse, NY

#71 Oct 1, 2013
so on which political party will America place the blame for this shutdown and it's consequences? past history and present polling are quite clear on that.:-)
thank you tea baggers!
Suffer the Irish

Utica, NY

#72 Oct 1, 2013
Left Larry? Is that a reference to which hand you use to polish your pole or which angle you like to get taken by? Repubs and Dems are BOTH the same nasty fat street whore with different colored dresses. Repubs have co-opted what was otherwise an initially great, All-American grass roots effort. Initially Tea Party and system Repubs didn't even look or sound alike. Now, there's been too much inbreeding to know much difference. Talk about "drinking the kool-aid". You're every bit the problem as those stick in the mud republican die-hards. There is no right or left wing. All these DC politicos are the nemesis of "we the people". Unless you're dumb as a stump, a willing dupe or useful idiot, a spineless, consciousless imp (one of them?) or simply one of them, you should be able to see you're being scammed by them. There should only be an "American wing". Nothing more, nothing less... Forget all this other bs, including from the divisive folks on here. That's what they/the system wants- to distract, divide and dumb down "us" so we can't ever beat them and effect real change for us. A government of the people, for the people by the people? Ha- what a fkin crock! STOP feeding into it.
Truth

Utica, NY

#73 Oct 1, 2013
lefty larry wrote:
so on which political party will America place the blame for this shutdown and it's consequences? past history and present polling are quite clear on that.:-)
thank you tea baggers!
The Republicans will be blamed but the reality is that all are at fault. The continuing resolution vote is taking place because congress has failed to pass a real budget since 2009.

The other thing to consider is that for whatever reason the Democrats are much better at spin and getting their propaganda out. If you were to watch a montage of all of the Democrats who've made appearances on the talk shows and newscasts they all say the same thing almost word for word. Democrats are just better at getting their message out, true or not.

To the original question though, it will most certainly be Republicans who take the hit just like they did on sequester(even though that was President Obama's idea originally) unless they can convey their point of view.
lefty larry

Syracuse, NY

#74 Oct 1, 2013
Suffer the Irish wrote:
Left Larry? Is that a reference to which hand you use to polish your pole or which angle you like to get taken by? Repubs and Dems are BOTH the same nasty fat street whore with different colored dresses. Repubs have co-opted what was otherwise an initially great, All-American grass roots effort. Initially Tea Party and system Repubs didn't even look or sound alike. Now, there's been too much inbreeding to know much difference. Talk about "drinking the kool-aid". You're every bit the problem as those stick in the mud republican die-hards. There is no right or left wing. All these DC politicos are the nemesis of "we the people". Unless you're dumb as a stump, a willing dupe or useful idiot, a spineless, consciousless imp (one of them?) or simply one of them, you should be able to see you're being scammed by them. There should only be an "American wing". Nothing more, nothing less... Forget all this other bs, including from the divisive folks on here. That's what they/the system wants- to distract, divide and dumb down "us" so we can't ever beat them and effect real change for us. A government of the people, for the people by the people? Ha- what a fkin crock! STOP feeding into it.
you could've saved alot of typing by simply pasting in another dr seuss book. all that filler and regurgitation of old tired cable rants bore me. try watching "storage wars" at 8pm. you'll learn much more.
lefty larry

Syracuse, NY

#75 Oct 1, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>To the original question though, it will most certainly be Republicans who take the hit just like they did on sequester(even though that was President Obama's idea originally) unless they can convey their point of view.
eeeeyup just like when their BS gave Bill Clinton a huge advantage last time there was a shutdown. you'd think they'd learn but noooo. it's better to spend their precious time in office voting 40+ times on a resolution they know will be DOA in the senate and flushed down the crapper by the pres. we give 'em all we can but we can't supply the rope fast enough!
Truth

Utica, NY

#76 Oct 1, 2013
lefty larry wrote:
<quoted text> eeeeyup just like when their BS gave Bill Clinton a huge advantage last time there was a shutdown. you'd think they'd learn but noooo. it's better to spend their precious time in office voting 40+ times on a resolution they know will be DOA in the senate and flushed down the crapper by the pres. we give 'em all we can but we can't supply the rope fast enough!
The government is shut down now because Democrats refuse to debate the merits of delaying Obama care for a year and getting rid of the medical device tax. It's their way or no way. They are fighting with every legislative tool and the power they have to turn back the Republican amendments to the budget resolution.

Both sides are doing what they were elected to do. It's just that the Democrats have the bigger and better noise machine these days.
When you peel back all of the layers of rhetoric on this you find that Republicans are fighting with every legislative tool at their disposal for something they deeply believe in. Time will tell if they are right about the Affordable Care Act or not. You can bet that they will be tracking every aspect of this going forward.
lefty larry

Syracuse, NY

#78 Oct 1, 2013
Truth wrote:
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The government is shut down now because Democrats refuse to debate the merits of delaying Obama care for a year and getting rid of the medical device tax. It's their way or no way.
doesn't get more tea bagger than that statement. try at least re-arranging a few words so they at least seem like they're yours. the ACA is the LAW! passed by BOTH houses and deemed constitutional by the supreme court! The pres ran against a guy who vowed to repeal it and WON! You don't attempt to nullify THE LAW at budget time.(well not unless you're a complete moron) why do we not attempt to de-fund each and every law we disagree with?...because once the old grey mare has succumbed it's foolish to keep beating his a$$. continuing down this path is political suicide. you go tea baggers, RIP. ;-)
wow

Utica, NY

#79 Oct 1, 2013
Truth wrote:
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The government is shut down now because Democrats refuse to debate the merits of delaying Obama care for a year and getting rid of the medical device tax. It's their way or no way. They are fighting with every legislative tool and the power they have to turn back the Republican amendments to the budget resolution.
Both sides are doing what they were elected to do. It's just that the Democrats have the bigger and better noise machine these days.
When you peel back all of the layers of rhetoric on this you find that Republicans are fighting with every legislative tool at their disposal for something they deeply believe in. Time will tell if they are right about the Affordable Care Act or not. You can bet that they will be tracking every aspect of this going forward.
The Republicans are in the majority you imbecile
Carl

Miami, FL

#80 Oct 1, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
Great idea. Let's just pretend the guy wasn't re-elected by 5 million votes.
What a bunch of f.cking loons.
Probably because Obama's failed economic recovery created 4,999,999 welfare dole goofs who needed him heh! I see your credibility still suffers from your personality issues and loose definition of reality. Now go get your 4 sock puppets and agree with yourself clown.
Truth

Utica, NY

#81 Oct 1, 2013
lefty larry wrote:
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doesn't get more tea bagger than that statement. try at least re-arranging a few words so they at least seem like they're yours. the ACA is the LAW! passed by BOTH houses and deemed constitutional by the supreme court! The pres ran against a guy who vowed to repeal it and WON! You don't attempt to nullify THE LAW at budget time.(well not unless you're a complete moron) why do we not attempt to de-fund each and every law we disagree with?...because once the old grey mare has succumbed it's foolish to keep beating his a$$. continuing down this path is political suicide. you go tea baggers, RIP. ;-)
Not one Republican voted for the Affordable Care Act. You did know that didn't you? At the time it was passed Democrats had control of both houses of congress. That's why it passed. You do get that don't you? In case you don't remember this the Democrats took control in 2008 with liberal prognosticators predicting Democratic control for the foreseeable future. That future turned out to be two years. After that Republicans re-took the House. they picked up 65 seats in the House and 6 Senate seats because Americans turned out to express their disagreement with what the Democrat controlled congress had been doing. A lot of the disdain for that Democrat controlled congress had to do with jewels of knowledge like this:
"We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"
-House Speaker(at the time of the vote on Obamacare)Nancy Pelosi

Now that the Republicans have control of the House it is their right and responsibility to do what their constituents elected them to do. That is at least in part for many of them - turn back the Affordable care Act.

I also have to add that your continued use of the term "teabagger" to describe a group who's beliefs more closely represent what the Founders of this country and the Framers of the US Constitution intended than anything being enacted by the current administration, is childish and shows an obvious lack of education/intelligence.

You can name call and spew all of the hate you want toward those who don't believe as you do but it doesn't make it so. Are you capable of a reasonable debate? Can you use facts to back your point of view rather than vitriol?
Actually park is closed

Utica, NY

#82 Oct 1, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>You sound more like a "little L" looney toon. If you had only a modicum of self awareness you would see how racist you are.
According to your simple minded political analysis , Obama got elected because of his "complexion". You don't seem to have much respect for the intelligence of black people. Do you base your votes on "complexion?" Of course not, you say. That would make you shallow and stupid. Bu, you assume that all people of color are that dumb.
You also conveniently forget about all the white people who would never vote for a person of color. Since when is having dark skin an advantage in America? Romney lost that election because he was a terrible candidate. But, he was the best of the most absurd collection of screw balls the G.O.P. ever ran. BTW I know who you are.
Obama was not elected "because of his complexion". He won because Richy Rich blew it and lost.. THANK GOD for that.

BYW, just why don't the right wing looney tunes want Americans to have affordable health care? For that matter, why haven't they ever want it?

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