Democrats want to shut govt down
Truth

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#409 Oct 25, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
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I know, we're one in the same. Because obviously there can't be more than one person who disagrees with these Tea Party lunatics. Despite the fact that the vast majority of people in the country think they're crazy and can't stand them.
The media and the left wing have done an especially good job of convincing the masses that anything Tea Party is just plain crazy. They do that because Tea Party ideals like limited government(like what the Founders and Framers intended)hinder their nanny state, cradle-to-grave government interaction in our lives. The filthy name calling is a the first indication of a weak argument. If critics had facts on their side they wouldn't have to resort to gutter tactics like that.

Rather than listening to the loud voices on the left do a little reading and see what the Tea Party really stands for. What their core beliefs are. What their vision for our country is. The name Tea Party itself is a reference(Boston Tea Party) to citizens who revolted against a tyrannical government that didn't represent their best interests. Here's a start. Read and draw your own conclusion about the Tea Party.
http://www.teaparty-platform.com/

I am not now nor have I ever been a member/donor of the Tea Party. I just think they have some solid ideas for the future of the US and for US citizens who aren't even born yet.

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#410 Oct 25, 2013
Now, it's Demorats that want to delay Obamacare:

10 Senate Democrats sign Shaheen letter pushing for open enrollment extension
BY AARON BLAKE
October 25 at 9:00 am

Ten Senate Democrats have signed on to a letter crafted by Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) urging the Obama administration to extend the open enrollment period for the recently launched health-care exchanges.
Shaheen called for the extension this week in light of myriad problems with the HealthCare.gov Web site.
As of now, Americans are required to obtain health insurance by March 31 or will face a penalty under the individual mandate. Some have suggested the penalty could be delayed, given the problems with the Web site might prevent people who otherwise want insurance from obtaining it.
The White House on Wednesday announced it would give Americans six weeks longer than previously thought -- until March 31 -- to enroll before facing a penalty, but also said the change had nothing to do with the Web site problems.
"Extending this period will give consumers critical time in which to become familiar with the website and choose a plan that is best for them," the letter states. "Individuals should not be penalized for lack of coverage if they are unable to purchase health insurance due to technical problems."
The letter doesn’t state how long the senators would like to extend open enrollment, only that it should be beyond March 31. One of the signers, Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.), called for a two-month delay in remarks on Thursday. Separately, another Democratic senator, Joe Manchin (W.Va.), has called for a one-year delay in the individual mandate....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-poli...

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#411 Oct 26, 2013
lefty larry wrote:
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Nooo. You me AND truth dig are the same! Get it right bro. Heil the dictator!
Of course, how could I have forgotten you, I mean, me, er, well, you know what I mean...!

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#412 Oct 26, 2013
Truth wrote:
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The media and the left wing have done an especially good job of convincing the masses that anything Tea Party is just plain crazy. They do that because Tea Party ideals like limited government(like what the Founders and Framers intended)hinder their nanny state, cradle-to-grave government interaction in our lives. The filthy name calling is a the first indication of a weak argument. If critics had facts on their side they wouldn't have to resort to gutter tactics like that.
Rather than listening to the loud voices on the left do a little reading and see what the Tea Party really stands for. What their core beliefs are. What their vision for our country is. The name Tea Party itself is a reference(Boston Tea Party) to citizens who revolted against a tyrannical government that didn't represent their best interests. Here's a start. Read and draw your own conclusion about the Tea Party.
http://www.teaparty-platform.com/
I am not now nor have I ever been a member/donor of the Tea Party. I just think they have some solid ideas for the future of the US and for US citizens who aren't even born yet.
I think shutting down the government and threatening to default on the national debt, imperiling the world economy and the full faith and credit of the US, did it to the Tea Party, not the "liberal" media.

Good grief.
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#413 Oct 26, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
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I think shutting down the government and threatening to default on the national debt, imperiling the world economy and the full faith and credit of the US, did it to the Tea Party, not the "liberal" media.
Good grief.
There is only Fox News, Limbaugh, and Beck. Everything else is just a big conspiracy.
Honey Pot

Utica, NY

#414 Oct 27, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
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I think shutting down the government and threatening to default on the national debt, imperiling the world economy and the full faith and credit of the US, did it to the Tea Party, not the "liberal" media.
Good grief.
"Full faith and credit of the US" BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAA! You're pipe dreaming funny man. There is none to be found. Sinking ship-the rats are frantically looking to jump off.
cormac-teo

Bridgeport, NY

#415 Oct 27, 2013
And though your mother is dead you still live in her basement.

How sad.

It is nice to know that you have the company of Mr Bleck, your alternate personality or should I say your sock puppet.

Your late mom must be so proud of you.
Good grief

United States

#416 Oct 27, 2013
Is right- people as stupid as you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Truth Dig wrote:
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Wow, this is profound. But before you reach for your baseball bat, you may want to figure out what the f.ck it is you're talking about first.
Here is the inflation index for the last 100 years. Despite the hysteria that our recent deficits were going to cause runaway inflation, it's actually been below historical averages since Obama took office: http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflatio...
So, pretty much everything right wing maniacs have been saying about our recent deficits has been completely, totally, utterly wrong.
Now, it is true that your groceries cost more today than they did in 1960, but that has nothing to do with the federal deficits of the last 4 years.
Good grief.

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#417 Oct 28, 2013
When you run out of money, stop spending.
Joey TwoTumbs

Utica, NY

#418 Oct 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
When you run out of money, stop spending.
Can hardly wait to see just how the esteemed leftist snoots will respond to this nugget of absolute truth. They will white wash it with something to deflect responsibility from their fearless illegal alien leader using the typical smoke and mirrors diffusionary propaganda techniques humoring themselves silly into believing THIS TIME nobody will be able to see through the BS!
Truth

Utica, NY

#419 Oct 28, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
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I think shutting down the government and threatening to default on the national debt, imperiling the world economy and the full faith and credit of the US, did it to the Tea Party, not the "liberal" media.
Good grief.
If you actually been paying attention to anything besides the echo chamber that is mainstream media you would know that the House of Representatives passed individual appropriation bills that would have kept the entire government operating with the exception of the Affordable Care Act. When these appropriation bills were passed along to the Democrat controlled Senate they were not allowed to come up for a vote. The reality is that it was that action that ultimately led to the government shutdown.

The full faith and credit of the United States is not in peril because some members of congress are fighting a battle against deficit spending. It's in peril because deficit spending is taking the cumulative national debt to unprecedented levels at the same that the economy is general is flat.

Your pronouncement about the US never defaulting on debt is meaningless too. The US has never had this level of debt. This is a whole new world we live in and the traditional rules have changed. Think about it. Before 2007-08 real estate had never gone down and there were those who said it never would. They were wrong just as you are on the debt. Real estate had always been a good bet for investment. Can we still say that today? Obviously not.

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#420 Oct 28, 2013
cormac-teo wrote:
And though your mother is dead you still live in her basement.
How sad.
It is nice to know that you have the company of Mr Bleck, your alternate personality or should I say your sock puppet.
Your late mom must be so proud of you.
What's "sad" is some low life piece of sh.t invoking a guy's dead mother to insult him.

What a f.cking tool box. And yes, my mother was very proud of me.

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#421 Oct 28, 2013
Truth wrote:
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If you actually been paying attention to anything besides the echo chamber that is mainstream media you would know that the House of Representatives passed individual appropriation bills that would have kept the entire government operating with the exception of the Affordable Care Act. When these appropriation bills were passed along to the Democrat controlled Senate they were not allowed to come up for a vote. The reality is that it was that action that ultimately led to the government shutdown.
The full faith and credit of the United States is not in peril because some members of congress are fighting a battle against deficit spending. It's in peril because deficit spending is taking the cumulative national debt to unprecedented levels at the same that the economy is general is flat.
Your pronouncement about the US never defaulting on debt is meaningless too. The US has never had this level of debt. This is a whole new world we live in and the traditional rules have changed. Think about it. Before 2007-08 real estate had never gone down and there were those who said it never would. They were wrong just as you are on the debt. Real estate had always been a good bet for investment. Can we still say that today? Obviously not.
Yes, the conspiracy echo chamber. If you want the unvarnished truth, where do enlightened Tea Party loons turn? I can't imagine.

Republicans were proposing bills which actually STRIPPED funding from the ACA. The law has designated funding sources which were passed with the enactment of the law. Most of the law was not impacted by the appropriations process. But sorry, I heard that through the "echo chamber" of the "liberal" press. You know, the NY Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post.

As for our national debt never being at the level it is today ("unprecedented"), you can say that about the years 1984, 1985, 1986, or just about any year over the past 200. We have had a national debt for 200 years, and have added to it (to new, "unprecedented" levels) for nearly every year since the inception of the country. What is the national debt as a percentage of GDP today? Is that percentage the highest ever? I'll give you a hint to the latter question: the answer is NO.

And the deficit has been elevated precisely because the economy is "flat." That is econ 101. Have ever taken an economics course?

The Republican Party was poised to default on the national debt which likely would have destroyed the full faith and credit of the United States and precipitated a worldwide financial and economic disaster. According to you, that was justified because our debt levels someday, possibly, maybe, potentially..... would precipitate a worldwide financial and economic crisis. Or in other words, let's commit suicide today because someday we may get sick.

Your real estate reference is just as silly. Scores of people predicted the collapse of the housing bubble. It was not unprecedented. But it has nothing to do with our federal deficit. And it certainly doesn't mean, in any way, that we are on the verge of a debt collapse or disaster. They are 2 completely unrelated things.

People keep predicting an immediate economic catastrophe caused by government debt, but it keeps not happening. That's because the people making those predictions generally have no idea what they are talking about. It's all emotion, and no thinking.
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#422 Oct 28, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
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What's "sad" is some low life piece of sh.t invoking a guy's dead mother to insult him.
What a f.cking tool box. And yes, my mother was very proud of me.
Teo's a low life. Total P.O.S.!

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#423 Oct 28, 2013
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>Teo's a low life. Total P.O.S.!
Yea, Mr. Scumbag Enlightenment drags my mother into it because he's too much of an imbecile to defend his moronic positions. Nice guy.
Truth

Utica, NY

#424 Oct 29, 2013
Truth Dig wrote:
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Yes, the conspiracy echo chamber. If you want the unvarnished truth, where do enlightened Tea Party loons turn? I can't imagine.
Republicans were proposing bills which actually STRIPPED funding from the ACA. The law has designated funding sources which were passed with the enactment of the law........
First, the Republicans in the House offered individual appropriation bills for everything except the ACA(Obamacare). That's not Tea Party opinion, it's a fact. It's also a fact that Harry Reid did not let those come up for a vote in the Senate and that's what led to the shutdown.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/failur...
Second, your analysis of what is 'unprecedented' fails to acknowledge that the amount of the debt is money that the government owes to itself(taxpayers) in the form of Medicare and Social Security bonds(IOU's) is at unprecedented levels and rising. The US Government raises revenue by selling bonds to the Medicare and Social Security trust funds. They use the money to cover the deficits. Every year the deficit rises because the amount required to pay these debts back rises. Just like you can't keep taking out cash advances on your credit card to cover the difference between what you earn and what your lifestyle is, the government cannot continue to spend more than it takes in because the payments are taking an ever increasing amount of the budget every year.
When the US Government reaches the point when it can no longer meet its' obligations to the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds it will be the future generations of recipients who will suffer. Is that what you want? That's what is going to happen if runaway spending isn't reigned in.
Keepin It Real

Utica, NY

#425 Oct 29, 2013
Truth wrote:
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First, the Republicans in the House offered individual appropriation bills for everything except the ACA(Obamacare). That's not Tea Party opinion, it's a fact. It's also a fact that Harry Reid did not let those come up for a vote in the Senate and that's what led to the shutdown.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/failur...
Second, your analysis of what is 'unprecedented' fails to acknowledge that the amount of the debt is money that the government owes to itself(taxpayers) in the form of Medicare and Social Security bonds(IOU's) is at unprecedented levels and rising. The US Government raises revenue by selling bonds to the Medicare and Social Security trust funds. They use the money to cover the deficits. Every year the deficit rises because the amount required to pay these debts back rises. Just like you can't keep taking out cash advances on your credit card to cover the difference between what you earn and what your lifestyle is, the government cannot continue to spend more than it takes in because the payments are taking an ever increasing amount of the budget every year.
When the US Government reaches the point when it can no longer meet its' obligations to the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds it will be the future generations of recipients who will suffer. Is that what you want? That's what is going to happen if runaway spending isn't reigned in.
It's probably time to abandon this post and leaves these lost in the aura of obama sheep to themselves. Facts, truths, realities and seeing the forest through the trees or what's right in front of their eyes matters not. They love to tickle their own as*ses with the same bu*llshit cliched hokum expecting that by the mere repetition of same will magically create credibility and acceptability by the reader/listener. After all it has worked with some success on the mass of intellectually indolent Americans.

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#426 Oct 29, 2013
Joey TwoTumbs wrote:
Can hardly wait to see just how the esteemed leftist snoots will respond to this nugget of absolute truth. They will white wash it with something to deflect responsibility from their fearless illegal alien leader using the typical smoke and mirrors diffusionary propaganda techniques humoring themselves silly into believing THIS TIME nobody will be able to see through the BS!
Now, even Obama wants to delay the Obamacare individual mandate; though only for six weeks. The Republicans wanted to give us 52 more weeks, and more Democrats are signing on; that's bipartisan.

Not one Republican voted for Obamcare, that's not bipartisan.
Hows yer pork

Clinton, NY

#427 Oct 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Now, even Obama wants to delay the Obamacare individual mandate; though only for six weeks. The Republicans wanted to give us 52 more weeks, and more Democrats are signing on; that's bipartisan.
Not one Republican voted for Obamcare, that's not bipartisan.
Looks like the repubs were right. Obama needs to stop hiding and confess he is a liar

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#428 Oct 30, 2013
Truth wrote:
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First, the Republicans in the House offered individual appropriation bills for everything except the ACA(Obamacare). That's not Tea Party opinion, it's a fact. It's also a fact that Harry Reid did not let those come up for a vote in the Senate and that's what led to the shutdown.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/failur...
Second, your analysis of what is 'unprecedented' fails to acknowledge that the amount of the debt is money that the government owes to itself(taxpayers) in the form of Medicare and Social Security bonds(IOU's) is at unprecedented levels and rising. The US Government raises revenue by selling bonds to the Medicare and Social Security trust funds. They use the money to cover the deficits. Every year the deficit rises because the amount required to pay these debts back rises. Just like you can't keep taking out cash advances on your credit card to cover the difference between what you earn and what your lifestyle is, the government cannot continue to spend more than it takes in because the payments are taking an ever increasing amount of the budget every year.
When the US Government reaches the point when it can no longer meet its' obligations to the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds it will be the future generations of recipients who will suffer. Is that what you want? That's what is going to happen if runaway spending isn't reigned in.
I think we are pretty clear on this finally: the Tea Party loons in the House wanted to fund only parts of the government, as in, the parts of the government they liked. They wanted to pretend the other parts of the government, as in the parts they didn't like, didn't exist. And Harry Reid wouldn't play along, especially when a majority in the House was ready and willing to pass a resolution to keep the entire government open and running. As in, what eventually happened when Boehner finally ignored the loons and brought a funding bill to the floor for a vote. You may want to google the Hastert rule and ponder the impact it had on the Tea Party driven shut down.

As for the rest of your post, it's pretty convoluted, but I guess it is in reverence to future deficits caused by entitlements. But again, the Tea Party plan was to default on the full faith and credit of the United States TODAY, causing an economic and financial crises and possible catastrophe RIGHT NOW, because someday, decades from now, our deficits may cause us some potential problem. Again, our current deficit, as a percentage of GDP, is what it was in the 1980s, when you know who was President. Our national debt, as a percentage of GDP, is not close to historic highs. To the extent that our deficits are presently elevated, it's because of a depressed economy, not vice versa.

There is a projected problem with future deficits, but that is almost entirely driven by unsustainable health care costs. You may want to read this for a decent description of the problem. Paying $40 for a $2 bottle of tylenol doesn't help. http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article...

But regardless, cutting Head Start, funding for elementary, secondary, and college education, and medical research, isn't going to do anything to address runaway health care costs 30 years from now. Those measures will just make us poorer now and into the future.

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