Technicality may mean 400 can't use G...

Technicality may mean 400 can't use Griffiss gym in Rome

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first amendment

New York, NY

#1 Mar 22, 2013
Everyone is all about their freebies in life while all us taxpayers are paying for it all and praying every day we have a job tomorrow while the people with their hands out whine about things in life that don't matter. They can all go to a certain gym in Utica for $10/month and its almost open 24/7....

ROME —
About 250 military and 160 first responders might be ousted from their memberships to the Colosseum fitness center at the former Griffiss Air Force Base.
“I am tired of government taking away from the veterans,” said retired Air Force Master Sgt. Melven Derr.“I spent 20 years on the flight line to make sure this country is free, and now my government is taking away that benefit.”

Derr, 59, has been a member of the Colosseum for six years and goes about three times a week.

The Colosseum is operated jointly by the three military installations at Griffiss Business and Technology Park: the Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Eastern Air Defense Sector and the Air Force Research Laboratory.

Membership is free for the 2,500 people registered at the 80,000-square-foot facility, which features a basketball court, boxing ring and fitness machines.

The decision is based on a technicality, and is not financial, a spokesman for EADS said. The glitch was revealed during a recent internal review by the three installations.

“It comes down to strictly that we have to spend money on this facility in the way the regulations allow,” said spokesman Tim Jones.

The fitness center is open to active duty personnel, their families and federal civilian employees working for the three installations. Also, local military retirees, members of the State Police, Oneida County Sheriff’s Office and the Rome police and fire departments are allowed free memberships as well.

Air Force bases are given Morale, Welfare and Recreation funds, which can be used to operate fitness centers. Since DFAS, Rome Lab and EADS are not part of an existing base, they are using money from a different funding stream, Jones said.

Fitness centers funded by Morale, Welfare and Recreation money must to admit retirees. If the commander of the base wishes it is possible forge an agreement with local first responders as well. Since the Griffiss fitness center is funded differently, it doesn’t have that option, he said.

Jones said the installations are looking into the possibility of having an outside base step in and sponsor the gym, but it’s not yet clear whether that will work. If that’s possible, the retirees, and perhaps the first responders, would be able to return, he said.

The first responder and veteran memberships are set to end March 31.

Members of the Oneida County Board of Legislators are trying to stop the change from going into effect, and have signed a petition asking the installations to reconsider the move.

“Proper fitness can assist our retired military vets with improving their health, and in many cases rehabilitate previous health issues due to combat,” said Legislator Emil Paparella, R-Utica.

U.S. Rep. Richard Hanna, R-Barneveld, said he hopes the Griffiss installations will examine their decision closely.

“I understand the concerns of those impacted by this decision, and trust that if this is just a technicality it can be reversed so the facility will once again be open to the patrons who have historically enjoyed access,” he said in a statement.
stealing

New York, NY

#2 Mar 22, 2013
It is called plagiarism when you do not cite nor link to the source document. Just another form of stealing by the cop n paste troll.
free loader

New York, NY

#3 Mar 22, 2013
stealing wrote:
It is called plagiarism when you do not cite nor link to the source document. Just another form of stealing by the cop n paste troll.
It's called free-loading when you expect the taxpayer to fund your "retirement...healthcare/ medical costy...and now your fitness center. Close it down and let them pay for a membership at a local gym like every other taxpayer does. Enopugh already!
stealing

New York, NY

#4 Mar 22, 2013
free loader wrote:
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It's called free-loading when you expect the taxpayer to fund your "retirement...healthcare/ medical costy...and now your fitness center. Close it down and let them pay for a membership at a local gym like every other taxpayer does. Enopugh already!
Yup but the OP by not referencing who wrote the article is also stealing and is a scumbag

Level 7

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#5 Mar 22, 2013
“I am tired of government taking away from the veterans,” said retired Air Force Master Sgt. Melven Derr.“I spent 20 years on the flight line to make sure this country is free, and now my government is taking away that benefit.”
While I appreciate greatly Master Sgt. Derr's service to our country, I cannot concur with his entitlement outlook about free gym membership.

I volunteered to serve our nation. As a 19-year-old at the time, there were other pursuits I could have followed but it seemed like serving my nation in time of was what my father and uncles did 3 decades earlier.

In my mind the deal was like this: I will fight for my nation in exchange for the freedoms I enjoy living in this nation.

I fought. I am free. Deal complete: signed, sealed and delivered.

Granted, if a government facility like a base gym for active duty military is properly funded, the incremental cost to extend that benefit to retirees or first-responders is very minimal and is a nice gesture. But in this case, that practice is not appropriate (or legal) due to the funding method.

Sgt. Derr, take a little of that hard-earned pension check and join a private gym. Your sense of loss of entitlement diminishes your proud service to our nation.
U.S. Rep. Richard Hanna, R-Barneveld, said he hopes the Griffiss installations will examine their decision closely.
“I understand the concerns of those impacted by this decision, and trust that if this is just a technicality it can be reversed so the facility will once again be open to the patrons who have historically enjoyed access,” he said in a statement.
Congressman Hanna, I hope that you will examine your position closely. In just a few years, you have been corrupted by the Washington beltway into believing that DC-think is normal thinking. I am disappointed in you and I regret ever supporting your election.

Level 7

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#6 Mar 22, 2013
time of war was*
ditto

Utica, NY

#7 Mar 22, 2013
"While I appreciate greatly Master Sgt. Derr's service to our country, I cannot concur with his entitlement outlook about free gym membership.
I volunteered to serve our nation. As a 19-year-old at the time, there were other pursuits I could have followed but it seemed like serving my nation in time of was what my father and uncles did 3 decades earlier.
In my mind the deal was like this: I will fight for my nation in exchange for the freedoms I enjoy living in this nation.
I fought. I am free. Deal complete: signed, sealed and delivered.
Granted, if a government facility like a base gym for active duty military is properly funded, the incremental cost to extend that benefit to retirees or first-responders is very minimal and is a nice gesture. But in this case, that practice is not appropriate (or legal) due to the funding method.
Sgt. Derr, take a little of that hard-earned pension check and join a private gym. Your sense of loss of entitlement diminishes your proud service to our nation."
<quoted text>
very well said!
Bullcrap

Brattleboro, VT

#8 Mar 23, 2013
To bad. Pay like the rest of us.
Rich

Cazenovia, NY

#9 Mar 23, 2013
Close the tower, keep the gym, what could possibly go wrong?

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