so be it

Utica, NY

#57 Mar 31, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that is not the bottom line. Because they didn't find them doesn't mean that they didn't exist. You can't re-write history like that. The bottom line is that Saddam Hussein did have at different times WMD. The world knew it. He not only had them but he used them. He used them in Iraq's war with Iran and with no regard for his own people(Kurds). That's just a fact. President Clinton knew it two years before President Bush and Vice President Cheney were elected when he said this:
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998 "
Hillary Clinton knew it when in 2002 while serving as Senator from New York she said this:
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002 "
Do you remember when this all happened? A lot of time went by between the time that Saddam Hussein kicked the U.N. inspectors out and when the coalition forces finally attacked Iraq. Plenty of time to spirit all sorts of things out of Iraq and into other countries like Syria. Do you remember that being a big concern at the time?
These are facts that I've just cited. Do you have any to support your opinion?
A thorough investigation showed no such weapons....and YOU have nothing to support you opinion except what the previous commenter said about Bush..Just a 'figment of YOUR imagination"
dumbasscrat

Danielson, CT

#58 Mar 31, 2014
You can't deny obama is the biggest FAILURE in history
Truth

Utica, NY

#59 Mar 31, 2014
so be it wrote:
<quoted text>A thorough investigation showed no such weapons....and YOU have nothing to support you opinion except what the previous commenter said about Bush..Just a 'figment of YOUR imagination"
Let me ask a few questions and then anyone reading this can judge for themselves.

Did Saddam Hussein on a number of occasions use chemical weapons(WMD) on his own people(Kurds in the north of Iraq) as well as on Iranians? If the answer is yes then that would confirm that at the very least he at one time he had them. It would also say that he wasn't afraid to use them.

Did Saddam Hussein eject U.N. inspectors from Iraq in 1998 and have over 4 years to move or dispose of chemical weapons before the U.S. led coalition attacked in 2003?

Could Saddam Hussein have secretly moved chemical weapons(WMD) to Syria during that time under the false pretense on providing aid to flood victims? This was a claim made in 2006 by a former Iraqi general named Georges Sada and then confirmed by other intelligence sources.

Last year the Syrian government(Bashar Assad) was accused by the Obama administration of using chemical weapons against Syrian rebels and civilians who got in the way. You must remember that. That was when President Obama said he was drawing a "red line" and then backtracked on what he said further weakening America's stature in the world. Many have speculated that the weapons used were part of the Iraqi transfer. They may be right and someday we may find that out.

That investigation isn't over.

These are facts. They are not a figment of anyone's imagination. In the months leading up to the U.S. led coalition's attack on Iraq intelligence agencies from around the world presented evidence that Saddam Hussein had WMD, had used them in the past and was probably willing to use them again. That shared intelligence was presented to congress and the result was the 2003 resolution that gave the president congressional approval to lead an attack.
brown trout

Rome, NY

#60 Mar 31, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Where exactly did I blame President Obama for the recession? Here's some help. I didn't. Where I blame President Obama is in not living up to his campaign promises when he promised a new middle class prosperity, the return of manufacturing and a balanced approach to deficit reduction. None of this has happened. The recession was triggered by the burst of the housing bubble. That started years earlier under President Clinton. You can look t it up. The idea was to make home ownership more widely available to the masses. It was a concept that was embraced and taken to new levels by the Bush Administration That's a different conversation that we can have if you like but has nothing to do with the post I responded to. The poster I responded to suggested that President Bush and Vice President Cheney "cowboyed" their way into Iraq under false pretenses. That is completely false and I proved it with quotes that pre-date the Bush Administration from Democrats and post 9/11 quotes from Democrats who saw the same evidence the whole world saw at the time and presumably even more.
What would you expect the leader of the opposing party(McConnell) to say about a president whose rhetoric and belief system is 180 degrees opposed to everything Republicans believe? Should he have said "Welcome to Washington Mr. President, we(Republicans) are at your service. Do with and to us what you will."? Of course not. His job at that point was to lead his party in a defense against a course that he thought was bad for America. I hate it when people say we have an obstructionist, do nothing Republican representation in congress. Fight against an agenda that they believe is destructive is Republicans doing something.
Voter suppression? Do you mean asking people to show an ID when they show up at a polling place to vote? I read a funny(ironic) story recently about a protest organized by the NAACP. They were protesting North Carolina's supposed voter suppression law that required registered voters to show an ID when voting. The directions they sent out to participants said:
"DO bring photo identification(driver's license, passport, or other valid photo ID) and keep it on your person at all times."
Asking someone for an ID when they are about to do something as important as voting is not voter suppression in my opinion. Can you drive a car, board a plane or buy alcohol without a valid ID? Are those examples of driver suppression, traveler suppression or consumer suppression? Should we protest those?
You've accused me of being a Fox News stooge. You can believe what you want. I'm not. I think for myself. The irony of course in you doing that though is that you are repeating false MSNBC left wing talking points. Are people who do that MSNBC stooges?
Driving a car, boarding a plane, and even buying alcohol to some degree are privileges. Voting however...Is a Right! How many votes did Bush win Florida by? If my memory serves me correctly the answer is 500 votes. Also if my memory serves me correctly. 9000 voters where not counted because they where falsely listed as felons. That's How Bush became President. In my opinion we don't want to make that mistake again!
Bush AWOL n Drunk

New Hartford, NY

#61 Mar 31, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Before you repeat this lie again I would ask that you read what's written on this page:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes....
This same information is available in any number of places but I specifically used snopes.com because they are the supposed truth detectors on the internet and also because in the past they have been accused of leaning left in some of their analysis.
Here's a taste of what you are going to find:
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
If that's not enough then please take a look at this:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ243/...
This is the Iraq Resolution passed on a bipartisan vote by congress and signed by President Bush in October 2002.
I thought you neocons hated Gore & Kennedy. Now you're quoting them?
Had It

Utica, NY

#62 Mar 31, 2014
And everybody wonders why we are in this mess. This kind of thinking will get us looking like cuba sooner than later. nys is already on a roll. At this point I am going to refrain from name calling because I refuse to be a communist, even though I'm tempted.
My Two Cents

Utica, NY

#63 Mar 31, 2014
brown trout wrote:
<quoted text>
Driving a car, boarding a plane, and even buying alcohol to some degree are privileges. Voting however...Is a Right! How many votes did Bush win Florida by? If my memory serves me correctly the answer is 500 votes. Also if my memory serves me correctly. 9000 voters where not counted because they where falsely listed as felons. That's How Bush became President. In my opinion we don't want to make that mistake again!
OH REALLY!!!! How about all the counties/states that carried Obuma with more votes than they have people???!!!!!! You are as bad a hypocrite as Obuma is.
For The Record

Utica, NY

#64 Mar 31, 2014
Truth - You are wasting your time. These nitwits that post all the negative judgments on your posts don't have any idea what is really going on, or else they're just baiting you. I agree with you 100% for whatever good that does. When presented with fact, and they ignore it, what else can be said?
brown trout

Rome, NY

#65 Mar 31, 2014
My Two Cents wrote:
<quoted text> OH REALLY!!!! How about all the counties/states that carried Obuma with more votes than they have people???!!!!!! You are as bad a hypocrite as Obuma is.
Here is a link to FactCheck.org . http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-consp... The article debunks the Anonymous email which claimed Obama had received more votes than people in certain counties. Not that the popular vote matter. Which is another subject all together, but Obama did win the pop. vote by 5,000,000 votes
oh wow

Utica, NY

#66 Mar 31, 2014
For The Record wrote:
Truth - You are wasting your time. These nitwits that post all the negative judgments on your posts don't have any idea what is really going on, or else they're just baiting you. I agree with you 100% for whatever good that does. When presented with fact, and they ignore it, what else can be said?
there is nothing to bait, as 'truth' and 'for the record' are conversing back and forth agreeing with each other because THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME!!!!! LOLOLOL
oh oh oh

Utica, NY

#67 Mar 31, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that is not the bottom line. Because they didn't find them doesn't mean that they didn't exist. You can't re-write history like that. The bottom line is that Saddam Hussein did have at different times WMD. The world knew it. He not only had them but he used them. He used them in Iraq's war with Iran and with no regard for his own people(Kurds). That's just a fact. President Clinton knew it two years before President Bush and Vice President Cheney were elected when he said this:
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998 "
Hillary Clinton knew it when in 2002 while serving as Senator from New York she said this:
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002 "
Do you remember when this all happened? A lot of time went by between the time that Saddam Hussein kicked the U.N. inspectors out and when the coalition forces finally attacked Iraq. Plenty of time to spirit all sorts of things out of Iraq and into other countries like Syria. Do you remember that being a big concern at the time?
These are facts that I've just cited. Do you have any to support your opinion?
hey truth, tell the truth, for once...That is the bottom line..NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION were found after months of investigation, only in YOUR small mind.
factcheckorg

Rome, NY

#68 Mar 31, 2014
Don’t get spun by Internet rumors.
Just because you read it on somebody’s blog or in an email from a friend or relative doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s probably not, as we advised in our special report “Is this chain e-mail true?” on March 18, 2008. On this page we feature a list of the false or misleading viral rumors we’re asked about most often, and a brief summary of the facts. But click on the links to read the full articles. There is a lot more detail in each answer. If you’re looking for articles about other viral claims, please use our search function.
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Dec. 23, 2013
Is it true that Obamacare provides for opening “free gasoline” service stations for low-income people?
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Nov. 25, 2013
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Oct. 18, 2013
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Oct. 1, 2013
Does the health care law contain a “hidden” tax on hunting and fishing equipment?
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Sep. 18, 2013
Will there be forced home inspections under the Affordable Care Act?
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Aug. 26, 2013
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Is “Obama’s finance team” recommending a 1 percent tax on all bank transactions, as a chain e-mail claims?
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Sept. 8, 2010; Updated June 5, 2012
factcheckorg

Rome, NY

#69 Mar 31, 2014
Do 11 states now have more people on welfare than they have employed?
A viral email making this claim is off base. It distorts a Forbes article that compares private-sector workers with those “dependent on the government,” including government workers and pensioners, and Medicaid recipients — not just “people on welfare.”
Jan. 11, 2013
Did Muslim terrorists stage a “dry run” on AirTran flight 297?
The airline and an eyewitness say this e-mailed claim is “an urban legend” spread by persons who “live in a fantasy world.”
Dec. 14, 2009
Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?
No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted.
July 31, 2012
Does the Obama administration intend to “force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for U.S. citizens” through a United Nations treaty?
No. The administration plans to negotiate a treaty to regulate the international export and import of weapons. It says that it won’t support any treaty that regulates the domestic transfer or ownership of weapons, or that infringes on the Second Amendment.
June 27, 2012
Did Barack and Michelle Obama “surrender” their law licenses to avoid ethics charges?
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June 14, 2012
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Jan. 6, 2011
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Barely. We examined all 48 claims, finding 26 of them to be false and 18 to be misleading, only partly true or half true. Only four are accurate.
Aug. 28, 2009
Will Muslim Americans be exempt from the mandate to have health insurance?
The Muslim faith does not forbid purchasing health insurance, and no Muslim group has ever been considered exempt under the definitions used in the health care law.
May 20, 2010
What about the “Congressional Reform Act of 2011&#8243;?
A viral e-mail calls for fixing some abuses and excesses that don’t exist, repeating misinformed claims that we’ve addressed before.
March 18, 2011
Does Illinois pay a grandmother $1,500 per month per child to be the foster parent to her eight grandchildren?
No. State officials have no record of such a case, and state law would not allow it. This second-hand story spread by a Danville urologist isn’t true.
Dec. 10, 2010
factcheckorg

Rome, NY

#70 Mar 31, 2014
Has President Obama canceled the May 6 National Day of Prayer?
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April 29, 2010
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July 5, 2009
Has a “smoking gun” been found to prove Obama was not born a U.S. citizen? Did he attend Occidental College on a scholarship for foreign students?
This chain e-mail is a transparent April Fools’ Day hoax. It fabricates an AP news story about an nonexistent group, and makes false claims about Obama and the Fulbright program.
May 7, 2009
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March 1, 2009
(This long-standing falsehood was bandied about back in 2006 and again during the 2008 presidential election.)
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Aug. 21, 2008
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Truth

Utica, NY

#71 Mar 31, 2014
brown trout wrote:
<quoted text>
Driving a car, boarding a plane, and even buying alcohol to some degree are privileges. Voting however...Is a Right! How many votes did Bush win Florida by? If my memory serves me correctly the answer is 500 votes. Also if my memory serves me correctly. 9000 voters where not counted because they where falsely listed as felons. That's How Bush became President. In my opinion we don't want to make that mistake again!
Driving a car maybe(and that's a big maybe) but boarding an airplane if you pose no risk to other passengers or buying alcohol if you are of age are most certainly rights rights. Now that I think about it, driving a car is also a right. If a person using a valid ID shows up and wants to take a driver's test they have that right. If after passing both a written test and a physical test of ability they want to drive a car, they have that right.

How is asking someone to present an ID in order to ensure that people aren't voting multiple times or voting for people who are deceased considered voter suppression? It's nonsense.

More half-truths from the left in an effort to rewrite history. My memory tells me that in 2001 the left leaning "New York Times" did an investigation of the 2000 election and in particular the state of Florida. The result of that investigation showed that President Bush won Florida by over 500 votes. Seven other news agencies also conducted investigations and all showed that President Bush was the winner. So you can continue to parrot the left wing myths about that election or you can look at the facts. The part you leave out is that of the voters that were falsely listed on the Florida voter rolls as felons no one knows how many of them actually tried to vote and further who they would have voted for were they allowed to vote. All you have to do to convince me using an undisputable sources. That should be easy if what you are saying is factual.
Truth

Utica, NY

#72 Mar 31, 2014
oh oh oh wrote:
<quoted text>hey truth, tell the truth, for once...That is the bottom line..NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION were found after months of investigation, only in YOUR small mind.
While no weapons were found when coalition forces entered Iraq the jury is still out on whether they did indeed exist in that timeframe and whether were transported out of the country between the time that Iraq kicked out U.N. inspectors in 1998 and the coalition attack of Iraq in 2003.

History is very clear that in 1987 Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons(that he obviously possessed) on Iranians during the Iraq - Iran war.

History is very clear that in 1988 Saddam Hussein ordered the use of chemical weapons(that he obviously possessed) on Iraqi Kurds.

No, weapons were not found in Iraq after the U.S. led coalition entered Iraq but the evidence that Iraq possessed and used chemical weapons prior is indisputable. What part of that do you not get? If you remember(and I'm pretty certain you don't), in the months leading up to the attack on Iraq, Saddam Hussein did nothing to refute the mounting evidence that he had WMD's. The fact that he had them in the past and had used them only bolstered that evidence.

You can look this up if you care about facts. In the years since the start of the Iraq war many sources in the intelligence community have said that there is no doubt that Iraq's WMD's were secretly transferred to Syria. Many are asking if those same WMD's are the same chemical weapons being used by Syria against Syrian rebels. No matter how much you want to and no matter how politically expedient is would be for the left to close the book on this, I think it's better to keep an open mind. I do hope that one day indisputable evidence does surface that will answer this question once and for all. We just aren't there yet.
Truth

Utica, NY

#73 Mar 31, 2014
factcheckorg wrote:
Has President Obama canceled the May 6 National Day of Prayer?
No..........
So where has anyone here made any of these claims against President Obama? What is the purpose of these long cut and paste jobs? We all know that people of all political persuasions start rumors and spread false information. They always have. It certainly didn't start with President Obama. Shall I refresh your memory about why Dan Rather "retired" form CBS News?

I made none of those claims. I just said that I think he's bad at his job and that history will show that. I'm sure that there will be those in the future who will disagree. I saw an interview(pre-President Obama) with Ed Anser (of "Lou Grant" fame) and he was asked who he thought our greatest modern president was. He said Jimmy Carter. History clearly shows that Jimmy Carter was probably the most ineffective and weak president in the modern era and, that he continues to be a hack. Anyone who say that George W. Bush is the worst president ever most certainly doesn't remember 1976-1980 and hasn't paid attention to President Carter's post White House activities. Nice man. Just not a good president. I think the same about President Obama. Nice man. Just not a good president.

For the record I believe that President Obama was born in Hawaii and that he is the lawful and rightful President of the United States. That would be all of our president, not just the left wingers.
For The Record

Utica, NY

#74 Mar 31, 2014
Amongst factcheckorg's many falsehoods:

Was Obama born in the U.S.A.?
Yes. We give you the truth about Obama’s birth certificate.
Aug. 21, 2008

Let me know if you can figure this out?

4 Simple questions from a reputable attorney..........

This really should get your "gray matter" to churning, even if you are an Obama fan. I wouldn't want my hero to be made out to be a liar, would you?
For all you "anti-Fox News" folks, none of this information came from Fox. All of it can be verified from legitimate sources (Wikipedia, the Kapiolani hospital website itself, and a good history book, as noted herein). It is very easy for someone to check out.
4 Simple Questions


1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term
wasn't even used at that time ?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 & Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, Right ? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his
father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya , East Africa ".

This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father
have been born in a country that did not yet Exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate".(check it below)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_ ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya )

3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital".
This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "Kaui Keolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", Respectively.
The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged.
How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978 ?
(CHECK IT BELOW)
http://http/http/www.kapiolani .org/women-and-children/about- us/default.aspx
( http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/a... )
Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media ?


4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama's "birth certificate" says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father's date of birth approximately 1936-if my math
holds (Honest! I did That without a calculator!!!) Now we need a non-revised history book-one that hasn't been altered to satisfy the author's goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and
1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn't have been more than 9 years old.
Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes ?

Very truly yours,
Rich
RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB
Attorney at Law
354 Eisenhower Parkway
Livingston , NJ 07039
"A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than a gun in the hands of 200 million law-abiding citizens."
Truth

Utica, NY

#75 Mar 31, 2014
Keep putting up those clueless, nuts and spam icons without responding with facts to the things I've said. It demonstrates your skills in debate, your intelligence and the strength of your opinion.
factcheckorg

Rome, NY

#76 Mar 31, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Driving a car maybe(and that's a big maybe) but boarding an airplane if you pose no risk to other passengers or buying alcohol if you are of age are most certainly rights rights. Now that I think about it, driving a car is also a right. If a person using a valid ID shows up and wants to take a driver's test they have that right. If after passing both a written test and a physical test of ability they want to drive a car, they have that right.
How is asking someone to present an ID in order to ensure that people aren't voting multiple times or voting for people who are deceased considered voter suppression? It's nonsense.
More half-truths from the left in an effort to rewrite history. My memory tells me that in 2001 the left leaning "New York Times" did an investigation of the 2000 election and in particular the state of Florida. The result of that investigation showed that President Bush won Florida by over 500 votes. Seven other news agencies also conducted investigations and all showed that President Bush was the winner. So you can continue to parrot the left wing myths about that election or you can look at the facts. The part you leave out is that of the voters that were falsely listed on the Florida voter rolls as felons no one knows how many of them actually tried to vote and further who they would have voted for were they allowed to vote. All you have to do to convince me using an undisputable sources. That should be easy if what you are saying is factual.
According to a massive months-long study commissioned by eight news organizations in 2001, George W. Bush probably still would have won even if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a limited statewide recount to go forward as ordered by Florida’s highest court.

Bush also probably would have won had the state conducted the limited recount of only four heavily Democratic counties that Al Gore asked for, the study found.

On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount. The Florida Supreme Court ordered only a recount of so-called "undervotes," about 62,000 ballots where voting machines didn’t detect any vote for a presidential candidate.

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