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Concerned

Torrington, CT

#1 Jul 8, 2013
I grew up adoring the building. It's a beautiful work of art and construction and in a city that seems to be growing slightly more dismal by the minute I saw it as a bright spot. What is going on there? Does anyone know? I'd hate for the place to close.
geez

Utica, NY

#2 Jul 8, 2013
Concerned wrote:
I grew up adoring the building. It's a beautiful work of art and construction and in a city that seems to be growing slightly more dismal by the minute I saw it as a bright spot. What is going on there? Does anyone know? I'd hate for the place to close.
Why would it close? It's profitable. It gets regular shows in there. They just hired a new director. Calm yourself.
Truth

Utica, NY

#3 Jul 8, 2013
geez wrote:
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Why would it close? It's profitable. It gets regular shows in there. They just hired a new director. Calm yourself.
Profitable?
The last report I saw said that revenue was 40% below projections. Didn't they cut a number of positions within the last year or so in order to save money?
Catch me if u can

Utica, NY

#4 Jul 8, 2013
This place will be closed up within six months... The board members are a bunch of monkeys... Nothing going on there in the future except what the previous employees set up...
Concerned

Utica, NY

#5 Jul 8, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Profitable?
The last report I saw said that revenue was 40% below projections. Didn't they cut a number of positions within the last year or so in order to save money?
Is that true? I was under the impression that it wasn't doing well but would have never guessed it was that bad. I would like to respond to whomever "geez" is as well. I am sorry but I have no confidence in the new executive director. While Jerry Kraus seems like a nice guy I don't see in anyway how he is qualified to run a theatre. His background isn't in theatre management nor did he have that sort of experience at Steven Swans. While you see it as a positive I see it as a concern.
KTy

Utica, NY

#6 Jul 8, 2013
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text> Is that true? I was under the impression that it wasn't doing well but would have never guessed it was that bad. I would like to respond to whomever "geez" is as well. I am sorry but I have no confidence in the new executive director. While Jerry Kraus seems like a nice guy I don't see in anyway how he is qualified to run a theatre. His background isn't in theatre management nor did he have that sort of experience at Steven Swans. While you see it as a positive I see it as a concern.
Not sure about The Stanley, but I will say Stevens-Swan (does anyone in this area pronounce anything correctly?) seemed very successful under Jerry Kraus.
Truth

Utica, NY

#7 Jul 8, 2013
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text> Is that true? I was under the impression that it wasn't doing well but would have never guessed it was that bad. I would like to respond to whomever "geez" is as well. I am sorry but I have no confidence in the new executive director. While Jerry Kraus seems like a nice guy I don't see in anyway how he is qualified to run a theatre. His background isn't in theatre management nor did he have that sort of experience at Steven Swans. While you see it as a positive I see it as a concern.
Before, during and after the backstage expansion (partially financed using taxpayer dollars) they made projections for how much revenue they were going to generate as a result of being able to attract bigger shows. Those results never materialized nor did the deal with an Pennsylvania firm to take over management.

http://www.uticaod.com/news/x272268524/Will-w...

"The Stanley’s $20 million renovation project – supported more than half by public funds – left it in deep debt, and its subsequent attendance figures fell well short of initial expectations.
In 2010, it ran a $635,015 deficit, according to federal nonprofit forms. It made $829,331 in total revenue but spent $1.48 million that year, according to the forms."

You may not like Jerry Kraus but his experience with a younger, more diverse crowd may well end up being what can save the Stanley. I like that he invited the general public to submit their ideas for what kind of shows they'd like to see. With a modern 5000 seat venue at the casino and now what will be a renovated auditorium a few blocks away they will need to do everything they can to find their niche.
Yesman

Utica, NY

#8 Jul 8, 2013
The Stanley is a great place and stunning on the inside. They know how to tread water in good times a bad. People love going there for whatever reason. If they book them they will come.
Rocket Man

Utica, NY

#9 Jul 8, 2013
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>Is that true? I was under the impression that it wasn't doing well but would have never guessed it was that bad. I would like to respond to whomever "geez" is as well. I am sorry but I have no confidence in the new executive director. While Jerry Kraus seems like a nice guy I don't see in anyway how he is qualified to run a theatre. His background isn't in theatre management nor did he have that sort of experience at Steven Swans. While you see it as a positive I see it as a concern.
Yes it really is that bad. They eliminated nearly every position just prior to bringing in Jerry. I wonder what the volunteers thought of the job he did "running" his first show with Broadway Theatre League. By the way, BTL is about the only thing consistenly bringing in shows and at least making a little money...and all that means for the Stanley is rental fees, certainly not enough to cover all the salaries, vendors and utilities. Everyone who thinks Jerry has new ideas or magical marketing strategies to attract "younger" people are severely deluded. Jerry hasn't had any street cred with the young folks in decades. And even if he did, The Stanley doesn't have any money to bring in their own shows. Just about time to turn off the ghost light and hand the keys over to the Indians...
Rocket Man

Utica, NY

#10 Jul 8, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Before, during and after the backstage expansion (partially financed using taxpayer dollars) they made projections for how much revenue they were going to generate as a result of being able to attract bigger shows. Those results never materialized nor did the deal with an Pennsylvania firm to take over management.

http://www.uticaod.com/news/x272268524/Will-w...

"The Stanley’s $20 million renovation project – supported more than half by public funds – left it in deep debt, and its subsequent attendance figures fell well short of initial expectations.
In 2010, it ran a $635,015 deficit, according to federal nonprofit forms. It made $829,331 in total revenue but spent $1.48 million that year, according to the forms."

You may not like Jerry Kraus but his experience with a younger, more diverse crowd may well end up being what can save the Stanley. I like that he invited the general public to submit their ideas for what kind of shows they'd like to see. With a modern 5000 seat venue at the casino and now what will be a renovated auditorium a few blocks away they will need to do everything they can to find their niche.
His asking the public what shows they want was a complete joke! What a moron! What does he expect to do with that "incredible" research data? It's of no use if no one has the cash to take the risk of presenting a show. What experience do you think he has with younger, more diverse crowds? You lost me on that one. That's not the Jerry I'm familiar with. Just a washed up, former local celebrity in his own mind.
Catch me if u can

Utica, NY

#11 Jul 8, 2013
Rocket Man wrote:
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His asking the public what shows they want was a complete joke! What a moron! What does he expect to do with that "incredible" research data? It's of no use if no one has the cash to take the risk of presenting a show. What experience do you think he has with younger, more diverse crowds? You lost me on that one. That's not the Jerry I'm familiar with. Just a washed up, former local celebrity in his own mind.
Agree...Total waste of time and money....6 months till closing
blaine

Herkimer, NY

#12 Jul 8, 2013
Lets get some decent concerts at the AUD and the Stanley. Folk, rock, classical, hip hop, something!!
CCP Is Trash

Schenectady, NY

#13 Jul 8, 2013
Every city along the rust belt has theaters like this. The Stanley is certainly not unique. It's the area that can't bring shows in not the theater.
CCP is Trash

New Hartford, NY

#14 Jul 9, 2013
CCP Is Trash wrote:
Every city along the rust belt has theaters like this. The Stanley is certainly not unique. It's the area that can't bring shows in not the theater.
and if you sit in the balcony and ask for me, Cliffy, for only $1.00 I'll hum you a good show tune!
Truth

Utica, NY

#15 Jul 9, 2013
Rocket Man wrote:
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His asking the public what shows they want was a complete joke! What a moron! What does he expect to do with that "incredible" research data? It's of no use if no one has the cash to take the risk of presenting a show. What experience do you think he has with younger, more diverse crowds? You lost me on that one. That's not the Jerry I'm familiar with. Just a washed up, former local celebrity in his own mind.
To my mind the Stanley has always had somewhat of an elitist attitude in what kind of entertainment they allowed. That was fine when there was the population to support that but that hasn't been the case in years. I think reaching out to the general (ticket buying) public is exactly the place to start. Find out what people want and then try to get it for them. I would think that Jerry's years in radio would have given him a wealth of experience with promoters who might want to use the Stanley. Hey, obviously what they had wasn't working. Give the guy a chance. A year from now I may feel differently but I like that they are trying new things and aren't looking to the taxpayers to fund them (again).

A few years ago they made a lot of rosy promises and all of the local politicians said that the taxpayer money being used for the backstage expansion was an investment in downtown that would pay big dividends. It obviously did not.
Actually

Utica, NY

#16 Jul 9, 2013
Truth wrote:
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To my mind the Stanley has always had somewhat of an elitist attitude in what kind of entertainment they allowed. That was fine when there was the population to support that but that hasn't been the case in years. I think reaching out to the general (ticket buying) public is exactly the place to start. Find out what people want and then try to get it for them. I would think that Jerry's years in radio would have given him a wealth of experience with promoters who might want to use the Stanley. Hey, obviously what they had wasn't working. Give the guy a chance. A year from now I may feel differently but I like that they are trying new things and aren't looking to the taxpayers to fund them (again).
A few years ago they made a lot of rosy promises and all of the local politicians said that the taxpayer money being used for the backstage expansion was an investment in downtown that would pay big dividends. It obviously did not.
Jerry would have NEVER been in contact or worked with any promoters through the station they have people to do those kind of things.
Rocket Man

Utica, NY

#17 Jul 9, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>To my mind the Stanley has always had somewhat of an elitist attitude in what kind of entertainment they allowed. That was fine when there was the population to support that but that hasn't been the case in years. I think reaching out to the general (ticket buying) public is exactly the place to start. Find out what people want and then try to get it for them. I would think that Jerry's years in radio would have given him a wealth of experience with promoters who might want to use the Stanley. Hey, obviously what they had wasn't working. Give the guy a chance. A year from now I may feel differently but I like that they are trying new things and aren't looking to the taxpayers to fund them (again).

A few years ago they made a lot of rosy promises and all of the local politicians said that the taxpayer money being used for the backstage expansion was an investment in downtown that would pay big dividends. It obviously did not.
You still don't get it. The Stanley doesn't "pick" the shows that come there. Munson, BTL, and a couple other concert promoters/presenters decide what they want to bring in and they rent the Stanley. The 3 or 4 shows that the Stanley has presented in recent years have been financial disasters. So even IF the Stanley were in the financial position to present a couple "winners" that's still not enough to sustain a whole season.
Rocket Man

Utica, NY

#18 Jul 9, 2013
Actually wrote:
<quoted text>Jerry would have NEVER been in contact or worked with any promoters through the station they have people to do those kind of things.
Maybe he'll cut some kind of shady deal with Sam Madonia...oh wait didn't they try that?
CCP Is Trash

Schenectady, NY

#19 Jul 9, 2013
Why would anyone of significance book the Stanley? Seriously. It's a cookie cutter theater that every city along the rust belt has. It's not unique even though uticans have convinced themselves it is.

Here's a prime example. Same theater but twice as big. I just don't understand why uticans think they are so unique with what is there.

http://palacealbany.com/
Truth

Utica, NY

#20 Jul 10, 2013
Rocket Man wrote:
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You still don't get it. The Stanley doesn't "pick" the shows that come there. Munson, BTL, and a couple other concert promoters/presenters decide what they want to bring in and they rent the Stanley. The 3 or 4 shows that the Stanley has presented in recent years have been financial disasters. So even IF the Stanley were in the financial position to present a couple "winners" that's still not enough to sustain a whole season.
No, I do get it.
It's simple supply and demand. It seems to me that Jerry Kraus, by having a public meeting like he did, is trying to gauge the demand so that he might make informed decisions about how to market the Stanley to promoters. I know the Stanley doesn't book its' own shows and that they rely on outside promoters. I think that those who controlled the Stanley in the past were hesitant about allowing it to be used for certain types of entertainment. That was fine when they had a niche they filled but that's obviously no longer true. In order to survive they will need to diversify and reach out to a new audience and to promoters who may have been excluded in the past.
Contrary to what someone posted here, my memory is that Jerry Krause was very involved with concert promotions in his many years with WOUR dating back to the 1970's. Valuable experience if you are trying to drum up new business.

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