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Farmer

Utica, NY

#21 Jul 24, 2013
Please, feel free to share the following videos.
http://youtu.be/MmKCmzDhM-M 1EcoDev
http://youtu.be/yYr4Sj7wixc Utica Development 2
http://youtu.be/kPaj_wdiHws Only 2

The videos are the only thing I have to see. They speak loud and clear. Everything else is just hogwash.
Da Law

Ilion, NY

#22 Jul 24, 2013
GOgreen wrote:
I don't undertstand. How could someone say that this isnt true.
1. There are hotels being built in north utica
At the same time the city is paying roughly $10,000 a week to cover the debts of the Hotel Utica.
2. THe Harza building was sold
In a deal that saw the property go for $250,000, along with a 20 year PILOT agreement that features at least 5 years of. That, of course, comes after the disastrous "City Center" project and the infamous "Utica Film Company" that sucked up huge chunks of development funds. To this day no one has any idea what happened to the tens of thousands of dollars purchased for the film company. Well, at least officially.
3. THe HSBC was bought
By a developer intimately tied to the GroWest scandal.
4. AHL Hockey is coming back to UTica
Thanks to a $5 million giveaway from the state.
5. A large building next to the Aud is being made into a restaurant
Rather like the large building next to the train station that was going to be the linchpin of development in that area? How'd that work out?

Look, there's isn't anyone that doesn't want Utica to succeed. But given the abysmal long, sad history of economic development in the city people are justifiably cynical. They've been subjected to one Friends and Family scam after another, and when you see the same names attached to those disasters attached to the current round of projects...well, hold on to your wallets.
Da Law

Ilion, NY

#23 Jul 24, 2013
Farmer wrote:
Please, feel free to share the following videos.
http://youtu.be/MmKCmzDhM-M 1EcoDev
223 views.
http://youtu.be/yYr4Sj7wixc Utica Development 2
86 views.
174 views.
The videos are the only thing I have to see. They speak loud and clear. Everything else is just hogwash.
Yes, the videos on YouTube do speak loud and clear. Compared to the pathetic view counts for that propaganda we have real hits shaping the city's image.

How about a running gun battle through Utica's streets?


15,786 views.

The same incident, but a better view of a young girl playing hopscotch and then diving for cover as the bullets start to fly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

3,320 views.

Or how about this classic from HLN about the city's latest child abduction scandal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

4,356 views.

But none of those even compares to this viral hit! A full blown riot that leads to a massive street fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

120,438 views.

Sweet fancy Moses, there's a whole YouTube sub-genre of "Utica Street Fights" that has cumulative view counts approaching a million.

So, yeah, I guess the videos speak loud and clear.
Truth

Utica, NY

#24 Jul 24, 2013
GOgreen wrote:
I don't undertstand. How could someone say that this isnt true.
1. There are hotels being built in north utica
2. THe Harza building was sold
3. THe HSBC was bought
4. AHL Hockey is coming back to UTica
5. A large building next to the Aud is being made into a restaurant
Which one of these facts makes people think that the city is not being invested in?????
And how much in taxpayer dollars was spent in order for these things to happen?

In addition to the actual dollars spent, how much was given away in PILOTS and other tax incentives? You talk about the businesses but not how much it actually costs the taxpayers to have them. Just one example is the AHL team. That cost the taxpayers of the state of New York $5.25 million so far and Oneida County has just promised another $2 million.

The bottom line is that New York on the whole and this area in particular are terrible places to do business. You are just trying to put lipstick on a pig.
Nope

Long Island City, NY

#25 Jul 24, 2013
Farmer wrote:
Please, feel free to share the following videos.
http://youtu.be/MmKCmzDhM-M 1EcoDev
http://youtu.be/yYr4Sj7wixc Utica Development 2
http://youtu.be/kPaj_wdiHws Only 2
The videos are the only thing I have to see. They speak loud and clear. Everything else is just hogwash.
No you mean your corny fake videos are hogwash.

Normal people do NOT open businesses in utica. Only halfwits and wanabees.
Utica it Starts With You

Utica, NY

#26 Jul 24, 2013
Nope wrote:
<quoted text>No you mean your corny fake videos are hogwash.
Normal people do NOT open businesses in utica. Only halfwits and wanabees.
I would not call the people in the videos halfwits and wannabes. They have a proven track records. I might call the negative nellies like yourself a halfwit. That's ok don't invest in the great city of Utica. It's your lose and there gain. That's why they are successful and you are not.
Utica it Starts With You

Utica, NY

#27 Jul 24, 2013
Yes people get off on negative stuff. It sells papers and people want to watch it. Unfortunately not as many people in the Greater Utica area will share these videos. Because the majority wants to speak negatively about the area and not promote the positive. How has that been working for us?
Da Law wrote:
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223 views.
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86 views.
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174 views.
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Yes, the videos on YouTube do speak loud and clear. Compared to the pathetic view counts for that propaganda we have real hits shaping the city's image.
How about a running gun battle through Utica's streets?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gdNG3bHeMyEXX
15,786 views.
The same incident, but a better view of a young girl playing hopscotch and then diving for cover as the bullets start to fly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
3,320 views.
Or how about this classic from HLN about the city's latest child abduction scandal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
4,356 views.
But none of those even compares to this viral hit! A full blown riot that leads to a massive street fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
120,438 views.
Sweet fancy Moses, there's a whole YouTube sub-genre of "Utica Street Fights" that has cumulative view counts approaching a million.
So, yeah, I guess the videos speak loud and clear.
lights out

New York, NY

#28 Jul 24, 2013
Hello "Utica It Starts With You"

If I am the last one to leave Utica,
And I turn out all the lights,
Could it be said that,
Utica ENDS with ME?

Just wondering.
Truth

Utica, NY

#29 Jul 25, 2013
Happy tax payer now wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot to mention 900 nano jobs coming to SUNYIT next year. Making between 80,000 and 90,000 a year. Mr negative Nellie.
Bought and paid for by the taxpayers of the state of New York. It's like paying kids to come to your kid's birthday party.
Truth

Utica, NY

#30 Jul 25, 2013
Utica it Starts With You wrote:
<quoted text>
I would not call the people in the videos halfwits and wannabes. They have a proven track records. I might call the negative nellies like yourself a halfwit. That's ok don't invest in the great city of Utica. It's your lose and there gain. That's why they are successful and you are not.
"negative nellies"?

How about "realistic Rachels and Ronnies".

What is it about a recent wave of investment (if there really is one) that will create a different outcome that what has happened in the past? We can name all of the projects that were sold as the savior or linchpin of Utica and failed if you like. Hotel Utica, Stanley backstage expansion, Utica National, Utica City Center, Piers & Blake........

Meaningful investment that doesn't require taxpayer funded bribes will only come when systemic problems like public sector union domination, high taxes and over-reaching regulations are gone or at the very least reined in. Until then your attempt to get everyone to put on their rose colored glasses is a joke.
Utica it Starts With You

Utica, NY

#31 Jul 25, 2013
lights out wrote:
Hello "Utica It Starts With You"
If I am the last one to leave Utica,
And I turn out all the lights,
Could it be said that,
Utica ENDS with ME?
Just wondering.
Just wondering why you are the first one to open a Utica Topix Page? I guess Utica certainly does not end with you.
Bossert site had no lights they will be coming back on.
Harza build g had no lights and they will be coming back on.
HSBC building had no lights and they are coming back on.
Hampton Inn.Holiday Inn,Fairfield Inn a place with no lights they are coming back on.
The Harbor a place with no lights and it will be having many lights.
The Cosmo Center will have lights on again.
The Richard Frank building will have lights on again.
The old Metro has the lights on again with Adirondack Vodka.
The old Friendlys will have the lights on again.
Bass Pro will have the lights on again.
SUNYIT is the future of a place with many lights.

Your talking about the old Utica,not the New Utica.

P.S. I wish the best for Syracuse to. Love thy neighbor.
Utica it Starts With You

Utica, NY

#32 Jul 25, 2013
Please, feel free to share the following videos.
http://youtu.be/MmKCmzDhM-M 1EcoDev
http://youtu.be/yYr4Sj7wixc Utica Development 2
http://youtu.be/kPaj_wdiHws Only 2

Keep an open mind and watch the videos
Utica it Starts With You

Utica, NY

#33 Jul 25, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Bought and paid for by the taxpayers of the state of New York. It's like paying kids to come to your kid's birthday party.
Every state in the union does it and that's the truth. You didn't know that?
Utica it Starts With You

Utica, NY

#34 Jul 25, 2013
Please feel free to share the following videos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch...

Later today we'll be adding to the playlist with video from last night's fatal shooting and the subsequent riot!
Utica it Starts With You

Utica, NY

#35 Jul 25, 2013
No one can deny that businesses are investing in Utica! They're buying steel security doors, alarm systems, access kiosks, motion sensors, surveillance cameras, and lets not forget the protection money going to the local gangs.
Utica it Starts With You

Utica, NY

#36 Jul 25, 2013
Utica knows that success takes teamwork. That's why we call in hordes of State Police, Sheriff's Deputies, and patrol cars from every surrounding municipality when street fights erupt.

It's all about working together!
Truth

Utica, NY

#37 Jul 25, 2013
Utica it Starts With You wrote:
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Every state in the union does it and that's the truth. You didn't know that?
I know many do but the successful ones don't have to do it to the extent that New York does.

The successful ones do a cost benefit analysis on each project they "invest" in and then track the progress of each so they don't keep making the same mistakes like Utica seems to. One of the definitions of insanity is to do the same thing over and over then expect different results. Utica is stuck in that cycle and the problem is that each year it costs more and more.

One of my favorite movies of all time is "The Outlaw Josey Wales" in it Fletcher says to the senator (public official):
"There's another old saying, Senator: Don't pi** down my back and tell me it's raining."

That's exactly how I feel about this taxpayer funded, city produced propaganda blitz. To you that's going to sound negative. To me it's reality.

Utica couldn't afford to budget the $2 million that they are obligated under the law to do for paving the third world goat paths they call streets here and you are trying to tell me what a dynamic, ripe for investment place it is?

Don't pi** down my back and tell me it's raining.

Truth

Utica, NY

#38 Jul 25, 2013
Utica it Starts With You wrote:
<quoted text>
Just wondering why you are the first one to open a Utica Topix Page? I guess Utica certainly does not end with you.
Bossert site had no lights they will be coming back on.
Harza build g had no lights and they will be coming back on.
HSBC building had no lights and they are coming back on.
Hampton Inn.Holiday Inn,Fairfield Inn a place with no lights they are coming back on.
The Harbor a place with no lights and it will be having many lights.
The Cosmo Center will have lights on again.
The Richard Frank building will have lights on again.
The old Metro has the lights on again with Adirondack Vodka.
The old Friendlys will have the lights on again.
Bass Pro will have the lights on again.
SUNYIT is the future of a place with many lights.
Your talking about the old Utica,not the New Utica.
P.S. I wish the best for Syracuse to. Love thy neighbor.
All at what cost to the taxpayer?
Resident

Milford, MA

#39 Jul 25, 2013
PILOT programs work. Cities use it as a lure. In lieu of property tax a company constructs a building, opens business and employs people. Those people in turn spend their money in the community and they sales tax revenue from those purchases off set the property tax.

The goods they buy groceries, cars, homes, clothing if bought locally increase revenue that allow them in turn to grow their businesses, pay more taxes etc. nothing wrong with the program.

The city use use every viable option to bring solvent growing concerns to the area.
UticaPride

Utica, NY

#40 Jul 25, 2013
Truth wrote:
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All at what cost to the taxpayer?
Yes it is new property tax, sales tax, payroll tax and increase business. Every dollar spend in a community stays in the community three more times. So, a person who get a pay check from any of these new business will pay rent or mortgage, food, clothes, gas, buy cars, furniture, hair cuts. You get the point, I hope. Everything that you do now, a lot more people will be doing it.

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