Utica taxes up 9%
johnny

Ithaca, NY

#188 Feb 27, 2014
He is no good, bully, arrogant and cares only about himself. He was nothing till he was mayor. Now that he has pocketed cash illegally and drives a new car, he don't care. He don't care what tax payers say. This is as corrupt as it gets. Remember, what goes around, comes around. Watch and see.
Truth

Utica, NY

#189 Feb 27, 2014
The mayor is so smart wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly, it's not that people are not upset enough to go, it's that they have no hope he will listen. Why waste your time trying to convince a fool who does not have the mental capacity to understand what you are saying.
I understand that after hearing about what happened last night but the plain truth is that they are accountable to the people of the city of Utica and need to hear from them. Someone described the mayor's answers to questions as sharp and his demeanor as bullying. That's unacceptable. He took the job and the biggest part of that job is representing the interests of the people of Utica. This budget that increases taxes by 9%, doesn't make cuts, doesn't address the problems with legacy pension and benefit obligations and awards raises to department heads id not that.

I'm seriously beginning to think that the only way that Utica will ever get back on the road to fiscal sanity is a control board that will come in with complete autonomy and make changes. That includes suspending all union contracts. That's something that the public safety and other unions should be contemplating rather that kicking the can down the road. The mayor talks about all of the contractual obligations that chew up the lion's share of the budget but then doesn't try to do anything to reign those costs in. He takes the "there is nothing I can do approach" when he really needs to do is stress the importance of reigning these costs in to the unions. I hate to think about having a control board because the pain will be deep and widespread but if it the only way to get things back on track then so be it.

Read about what happens:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/nyregion/27...

This one actually refers to Utica:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/07/us-...
The mayor is so smart

Little Falls, NY

#191 Feb 27, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand that after hearing about what happened last night but the plain truth is that they are accountable to the people of the city of Utica and need to hear from them. Someone described the mayor's answers to questions as sharp and his demeanor as bullying. That's unacceptable. He took the job and the biggest part of that job is representing the interests of the people of Utica. This budget that increases taxes by 9%, doesn't make cuts, doesn't address the problems with legacy pension and benefit obligations and awards raises to department heads id not that.
I'm seriously beginning to think that the only way that Utica will ever get back on the road to fiscal sanity is a control board that will come in with complete autonomy and make changes. That includes suspending all union contracts. That's something that the public safety and other unions should be contemplating rather that kicking the can down the road. The mayor talks about all of the contractual obligations that chew up the lion's share of the budget but then doesn't try to do anything to reign those costs in. He takes the "there is nothing I can do approach" when he really needs to do is stress the importance of reigning these costs in to the unions. I hate to think about having a control board because the pain will be deep and widespread but if it the only way to get things back on track then so be it.
Read about what happens:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/nyregion/27...
This one actually refers to Utica:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/07/us-...
It's all just so dumb and stupid. They need to understand they have killed the golden goose. When they wake up to reality they will realize all of them for many generations going forwards will suffer with the cuts that will come. Unfortunately they look no further than the end of their noses. The mayors conduct is normal for a supercilious fool who believes we are all his little pawns to play with as he wishes.
Truth is he should not have been elected, he would have been more useful as a garbage picker.
gangreen

Utica, NY

#192 Feb 27, 2014
I don't now why, but I am 100% accurate when I say that everything is more expensive in Utica, when comparing it to bigger cities like Albany or Syracuse. Taxes are higher,food is higher, clothing is higher, fuel is higher. For those that may not be aware, Utica has the highest tax rate of all counties in NYS.......WTF... Place is a corrupt moron convention.
butt hurts now

Ithaca, NY

#193 Feb 27, 2014
not many left to foot the social liberal way of life around here.
Im furious

Philadelphia, PA

#194 Feb 27, 2014
Go to my post 2.21 on this thread. I became furious after I spoke to the mayor. He treated the people last night the way he treated me on the phone, which is why I would not go to a meeting. I don't want to hear him say we have no choice. Yes I do and am taking action. Pricing my house low to sell and getting out while I still have a nickel in my pocket.
american

Carthage, NY

#195 Feb 27, 2014
Im furious wrote:
Go to my post 2.21 on this thread. I became furious after I spoke to the mayor. He treated the people last night the way he treated me on the phone, which is why I would not go to a meeting. I don't want to hear him say we have no choice. Yes I do and am taking action. Pricing my house low to sell and getting out while I still have a nickel in my pocket.
Bye. See ya. It really don't matter. You sell your house, new owner pays the taxes. You don't sell you stay to pay taxes. Nothing changed.
scam and scam again

Cicero, NY

#196 Feb 27, 2014
I had to laugh when I watched the news and Palmeri was blaming the last administration for the reason that he had to raise taxes 9% in Utica. As the camera guy panned the leaders with the camera I see Mike Cerminaro sitting near the mayor. It seems the mayor blames the people before him but keeps the guy that was the controller and responsible for all the shoddy book work on the city payroll. I hear the reason for that is that Mike C won't be entitled for health insurance for awhile yet so the Utica taxpayers will pick up the tab Until Mike hits the age for retirement. Good deal as usual by our city Mayor.
The mayor is so smart

Little Falls, NY

#199 Feb 27, 2014
american wrote:
<quoted text>
Bye. See ya. It really don't matter. You sell your house, new owner pays the taxes. You don't sell you stay to pay taxes. Nothing changed.
Yes in some ways it doesn't matter because someone has to pey. However it does matter because they pay less.
See, and follow me here as this is the problem that will crash it all.
Property is worth say 100,000 to start with to make it easy.
Nice property, good size garden, well maintained.
Ok so now high taxes hit, jeez not much money left after paying those taxes so no money to spend on house. Maybe next year.
But each year taxes go up, so repairs don't get done and that nice sun room extension or porch or whatever never gets done.
Now taxes have gone up significantly and that hikes the cost of living in the house, either escrowed with the mortgage or separate. Because of that the house is in disrepair and worth less as are all the run down houses around it.
Property owner says hey, what the hell my mortgage is $500 a month and my taxes are $400 a month! I could go and buy another house in a better less run down area for $600 a month with taxes of $300 a month and have a better quality of life.
So he sticks his house for sale, but because the house is run down he gets about the same or a litltle less than he paid.
This continues with the houses around it too, so now because things are neglected the house is worth maybe $80,000. So now someone buys the house, but a few years in they lose their job or whatever and can not pay their mortgage. Many times that person will live in the house and not care because they have given up on it, or be bitter that they are going to lose the house. Sometimes wrecking the place, but either way leaving the house empty. Now the bank owns the house.
Importaint....they will pay the back taxes but pay reduced taxes on an empty house....ergo less tax revenue.
Now the house is empty, maybe kids set fire to it and it disappears off the tax rolls. Maybe it becomes so bad that the bank give it to the city for taxes.
If the city have to demolish it then taxes are gone AND the city pays the demolition.

But let's say they sell it, now very run down at auction for say $20,000.

Importaint again here, you can contest your taxable valuation. You have to do it one year ahead of your tax bill but you can apply and have it lowered.

The house sold for $20,000 so your new assesment will be for that amount and the city loses big $$$$$$ each year from then on.

Granted someone could spend lots of cash and get the house back to where it was but even then with run down houses all around it because of high taxes it would be stupid to do so as they would be throwing money away.

Thus we have the classic detroit and utica syndrome. High taxes kill city's and this has been accelerating for the past eight years in utica.

Now.....please.......someone try to get this through the thick scull of the mayor if anyone thinks they can.
Or even the city workers as it will be their greed that will come back to stab them in the back on their way out the door as they lose their jobs and benefits.

One note, this should happen fairly quilckly if not distorted by credit and borrowing, dollar in and a dollar out. However the vast borrowing keeps he corpse afloat far longer than most would believe possible. Usually whan no one believes the prophets of city doom because they are repetitive.....that is when the final bell will toll.
Personally, my opinion.....not long to go, larger the tax raises, shorter the time scale. This increase is significant as was the last 10% increase.
You can not get money from people who do not have it, people choose food over taxes, they have too.
get over it

Utica, NY

#202 Feb 27, 2014
Why wrote:
Why is the UPD and UFD so large compared to other comparable cities in NYS. When our population was 100k I can see it but not now when our population decreases. Cut cut cut. I honestly know quite a few people on both and they are trouble makers, lazy, drug addicts, former drug dealers, bullies, punks. Let's drug test and check where they really live.
because ,.,.,.,., when we had 100k they were good people,workers mostly caucasion, streets were friendly, you could sleep with your doors unlocked, some mobsters but they left you alone and mingled among themselves, the cops didnt have to babysit for the lowlives like now, bosnians,bums,druggies,racoons ,gypsies,welfare,white trash,africans,fake disabled con artists,Handshake handjob city has it all.Who is paying for all the trash walking in the roadways pushing baby strollers.You are left with all that ,,,, how can you compare population levels. You actually needed less police back when the good city of utica had more people.There was a less need of police back in the Good old days. You actually need more police now ,but that aint gonna happen soon.
Paul

Ithaca, NY

#204 Feb 28, 2014
The mayor is so smart wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes in some ways it doesn't matter because someone has to pey. However it does matter because they pay less.
See, and follow me here as this is the problem that will crash it all.
Property is worth say 100,000 to start with to make it easy.
Nice property, good size garden, well maintained.
Ok so now high taxes hit, jeez not much money left after paying those taxes so no money to spend on house. Maybe next year.
But each year taxes go up, so repairs don't get done and that nice sun room extension or porch or whatever never gets done.
Now taxes have gone up significantly and that hikes the cost of living in the house, either escrowed with the mortgage or separate. Because of that the house is in disrepair and worth less as are all the run down houses around it.
Property owner says hey, what the hell my mortgage is $500 a month and my taxes are $400 a month! I could go and buy another house in a better less run down area for $600 a month with taxes of $300 a month and have a better quality of life.
So he sticks his house for sale, but because the house is run down he gets about the same or a litltle less than he paid.
This continues with the houses around it too, so now because things are neglected the house is worth maybe $80,000. So now someone buys the house, but a few years in they lose their job or whatever and can not pay their mortgage. Many times that person will live in the house and not care because they have given up on it, or be bitter that they are going to lose the house. Sometimes wrecking the place, but either way leaving the house empty. Now the bank owns the house.
Importaint....they will pay the back taxes but pay reduced taxes on an empty house....ergo less tax revenue.
Now the house is empty, maybe kids set fire to it and it disappears off the tax rolls. Maybe it becomes so bad that the bank give it to the city for taxes.
If the city have to demolish it then taxes are gone AND the city pays the demolition.
But let's say they sell it, now very run down at auction for say $20,000.
Importaint again here, you can contest your taxable valuation. You have to do it one year ahead of your tax bill but you can apply and have it lowered.
The house sold for $20,000 so your new assesment will be for that amount and the city loses big $$$$$$ each year from then on.
Granted someone could spend lots of cash and get the house back to where it was but even then with run down houses all around it because of high taxes it would be stupid to do so as they would be throwing money away.
Thus we have the classic detroit and utica syndrome. High taxes kill city's and this has been accelerating for the past eight years in utica.
Now.....please.......someone try to get this through the thick scull of the mayor if anyone thinks they can.
Or even the city workers as it will be their greed that will come back to stab them in the back on their way out the door as they lose their jobs and benefits.
One note, this should happen fairly quilckly if not distorted by credit and borrowing, dollar in and a dollar out. However the vast borrowing keeps he corpse afloat far longer than most would believe possible. Usually whan no one believes the prophets of city doom because they are repetitive.....that is when the final bell will toll.
Personally, my opinion.....not long to go, larger the tax raises, shorter the time scale. This increase is significant as was the last 10% increase.
You can not get money from people who do not have it, people choose food over taxes, they have too.
Nothing new, this is exactly how Utica got to shape it is in. Excellently said and all correct. The ruining of a City.
Nano utica

Little Falls, NY

#206 Feb 28, 2014
Word is the mayor is is working on making some nano wallets for the nano amount of cash we will have left after paying his cronies. Only in Utica.
joanie j

Utica, NY

#208 Feb 28, 2014
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand that after hearing about what happened last night but the plain truth is that they are accountable to the people of the city of Utica and need to hear from them. Someone described the mayor's answers to questions as sharp and his demeanor as bullying. That's unacceptable. He took the job and the biggest part of that job is representing the interests of the people of Utica. This budget that increases taxes by 9%, doesn't make cuts, doesn't address the problems with legacy pension and benefit obligations and awards raises to department heads id not that.
I'm seriously beginning to think that the only way that Utica will ever get back on the road to fiscal sanity is a control board that will come in with complete autonomy and make changes. That includes suspending all union contracts. That's something that the public safety and other unions should be contemplating rather that kicking the can down the road. The mayor talks about all of the contractual obligations that chew up the lion's share of the budget but then doesn't try to do anything to reign those costs in. He takes the "there is nothing I can do approach" when he really needs to do is stress the importance of reigning these costs in to the unions. I hate to think about having a control board because the pain will be deep and widespread but if it the only way to get things back on track then so be it.
Read about what happens:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/nyregion/27...
This one actually refers to Utica:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/07/us-...
This is well stated. This is the issue. The elected officials must get on the side of the taxpayers and face the facts. Otherwise, it is "kicking the can" down a very dead end street. I have to live by my budget. The city, however, is like a spoiled brat that is mindlessly bankrupting its under informed parents. Taxpayers, pull out your statements for the last ten years. Take a close look!! Guess what you'll be paying in another ten years. It might be 50%, 60%, 70% of your social security retirement check. Remember, an 8.8% increase sits on top of all previous increases and makes next year's raise bigger. The elected officials do not work for the department heads. Utica needs to show up at the TUESDAY, MARCH 11TH, 6:30 PM MEETING at NOTRE DAME.
Truth

Utica, NY

#209 Feb 28, 2014
joanie j wrote:
<quoted text>
This is well stated. This is the issue. The elected officials must get on the side of the taxpayers and face the facts. Otherwise, it is "kicking the can" down a very dead end street. I have to live by my budget. The city, however, is like a spoiled brat that is mindlessly bankrupting its under informed parents. Taxpayers, pull out your statements for the last ten years. Take a close look!! Guess what you'll be paying in another ten years. It might be 50%, 60%, 70% of your social security retirement check. Remember, an 8.8% increase sits on top of all previous increases and makes next year's raise bigger. The elected officials do not work for the department heads. Utica needs to show up at the TUESDAY, MARCH 11TH, 6:30 PM MEETING at NOTRE DAME.
If as the mayor has said, the problem is with the contracts that have been negotiated with the unions then that is what needs to be addressed. Someone on the taxpayers side of the negotiating table has to take a hard line and get some concessions. If not the everyone in Utica is going to suffer when the simple math of this situation finally catches up. Faced with the chance of having their contracts suspended by a control board the unions have to know what has to happen. It just can't continue this way.

I agree that everyone should show up for the public meetings and refuse to be bullied. Reject the mayor's notion that there is nothing that can be done.
Paul

Ithaca, NY

#210 Mar 1, 2014
I don't know who Truth is but he knows his stuff. Very smart and factual person. One post I always read. He knows what is going on.
go for broke

Farmington, CT

#212 Mar 1, 2014
how much of that 9 percent did labelly cost the city. 1 million to vacate plyman 2million lawsuit lomngo and several years of salary for commissioner and chief pay. Remarkable.
Cheesy mayors

Little Falls, NY

#213 Mar 1, 2014
Probably a lot of the increase is lawsuits, many have been settled recently "because it just makes sense for the city".
I don't know about everyone else but these absurd tax hikes don't make any sense at all.
I don't know who all these people who are asking for more services are, all my neighbors are livid about the tax increase, not one said we need more.
Mayor lives in a fantasy world, let him live in it and think he will be re elected.
Mayor greedy

Harpursville, NY

#214 Mar 1, 2014
Pay the school district the 10 million you owe before giving yourself a raise.
Cheesy mayors

Little Falls, NY

#215 Mar 1, 2014
Mayor greedy wrote:
Pay the school district the 10 million you owe before giving yourself a raise.
Yeah, really, but then why would he care about anyone else? Doesn't seem like he does, rather look after his friends and family. Kills me he thinks the few people who work for the city that actually live in the city are his voting block not the tens of thousands who actually live in the city and pay taxes.

I guess it's a sign he doesn't care about re election, just get what he can and get out. Usual for Utica political class.
Paul

Ithaca, NY

#216 Mar 1, 2014
That is all he cares about, just get what he can and get out .Why wouldn't a welfare person want that. That is where he came from.

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