Utica taxes up 9%
Word on the street

Little Falls, NY

#83 Feb 22, 2014
Word on the street is that utica is in big financial trouble due to people who have no money to pay delinquent property tax. The mayor is going to send out some kind of nasty letter to all the delinquent property's in an effort to scare them into paying when they are already taxed out LOL.
Just priceless, watch out Detroit....here comes the bankruptcy, democrats never learn that eventually you run out of other peoples money when they can no longer pay. Control board is long overdue. Good luck Rob presiding over your legacy as the final miserable failed mayor of nothing.
a taxpaper

Carthage, NY

#87 Feb 22, 2014
Long gone this time wrote:
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You are wrong, look on zillow at all the houses for sale, then take note of all the bank owned that are selling for $1. Every time they put taxes up by stupid amounts like this they lower property values and lower the tax base in a never ending downward spiral. Many I have known were good people who are now gone to surrounding areas and many more will go this time. Just look up Detroit and the white flight that killed it.
High crime, corrupt nefarious politicians and high taxes kill city's and utica is no different.
You must not pay taxes to post such stupidly, most get their houses ready for sale this time of year for the spring buying season which is traditionally the hot season so people can close before July and the get in before the new school year.
The problem is many can not now sell their houses as taxes have gone up so much that in some cases the taxes are more expensive per year than the mortgage payment. Therefore lowering the house prices to a point they are underwater. So instead they just leave the house for foreclosure.
It is classic detroit syndrome and will collapse the taxpayer base.
You are 100% correct.

I own TWO houses in Utica (inherited one) and after 8 years of paying taxes on both of them, I just sold one of them in a private sale. Now, the other house will be going on the market!!!!! The majority of these taxes (City,School, County, Trash Removal) are paid by the DECLINING homeowners and the majority of them are Senior Citizens living on fixedincome.

Another gripe is that ALL members of the Common Council should own their own homes so they can feel the pinch every time they approved these tax increases.

What and Where are these taxes going? We still have minefields for roads, City Hall is full of incompitant people that got their jobs because someone owned them a "favor", our crime rate is increasing so high no one dares to go out of their homes once the sun goes down no matter what section of the City you live in.

Utica is nothing more than a mini Detroit. Go out and buy yourselves a gun - you are going to need it to defend yourself.
Long gone this time

Little Falls, NY

#88 Feb 22, 2014
a taxpaper wrote:
<quoted text>You are 100% correct.
I own TWO houses in Utica (inherited one) and after 8 years of paying taxes on both of them, I just sold one of them in a private sale. Now, the other house will be going on the market!!!!! The majority of these taxes (City,School, County, Trash Removal) are paid by the DECLINING homeowners and the majority of them are Senior Citizens living on fixedincome.
Another gripe is that ALL members of the Common Council should own their own homes so they can feel the pinch every time they approved these tax increases.
What and Where are these taxes going? We still have minefields for roads, City Hall is full of incompitant people that got their jobs because someone owned them a "favor", our crime rate is increasing so high no one dares to go out of their homes once the sun goes down no matter what section of the City you live in.
Utica is nothing more than a mini Detroit. Go out and buy yourselves a gun - you are going to need it to defend yourself.
Exactly right, the money should be freed up from padded pensions and salarys for the corrupt officials and the many layers of UFD and UPD. Don't get me wrong a reasonable salary, pension and benefits is fine but these are outrageous. The politicians need to stand up to the intimidation and not be so corrupt but it seems every time they are worse than before.
Not to mention they are thieves, I don't say so lightly but when you have a fixed income retired veteran who loses his house because he can not pay his taxes which go up 5 to 10% per year as his pension is not even increasing with inflation, you can not call that anything other than theft. It is just disgusting their lack of compassion on the poor homeowners, anyone with even a litltle respect or honesty would hang their heads in shame.
Amy Warney Hugger

Herkimer, NY

#89 Feb 22, 2014
The picture of Bobby P hugging the mother of the year should be on a poster for Utica welcoming all scum-bags to keep up the good work.
Im furious

Newark, NJ

#90 Feb 22, 2014
haha wrote:
Our mayor has ignored the tax cap again, I say we all ignore this lastest 9% tax increase and have a organized tax revolt. If enough tax payers refuse to pay on the grounds of unfair taxation and call for a recall of all concilmen and women and a recall of this mayor. we can effect change. I'm going to contact albany and see what legal rights we have as taxpayers to call in the state and put this city under state control.
yes this is what we must do
Long gone this time

Little Falls, NY

#91 Feb 22, 2014
Another thing is if they go ahead and override the tax cap not only taxpayers but residents and renters will not be eligible for Cuomos tax rebates. Maybe this time the none homeowner taxpayers will realize just what it is like to lose a substantial amount of money for the next few years.
bad actors

Utica, NY

#92 Feb 22, 2014
Pete wrote:
<quoted text>Ambulance is a big money loser and your points are correct. This mayor is a fraud, very simple as that.
Julian started the ambulance,blame him. When they add up the overtime cost to run the ambulance it makes no sense. Kunkle should have kept the full service .What was up with julians thinking.
Rick

Ashburn, VA

#93 Feb 23, 2014
Julian was all for himself
american

Great Barrington, MA

#94 Feb 23, 2014
Long gone this time wrote:
Another thing is if they go ahead and override the tax cap not only taxpayers but residents and renters will not be eligible for Cuomos tax rebates. Maybe this time the none homeowner taxpayers will realize just what it is like to lose a substantial amount of money for the next few years.
This incentive doesn't go into effect until next year.
Im furious

Newark, NJ

#95 Feb 23, 2014
A town meeting needs to be called.
Im furious

Newark, NJ

#96 Feb 23, 2014
No ur wrong I will sell *uck it! Ive always defended utica. I have no words ... Getting out!
Carreck

Ithaca, NY

#97 Feb 23, 2014
You should be furious. I don't care about prior mayors, this one is totally clueless and the worse I have ever seen.
Long gone this time

Little Falls, NY

#98 Feb 23, 2014
american wrote:
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This incentive doesn't go into effect until next year.
Yes I believe so, but I believe the taxes are 2014-2015 this time which would is qualify us. Also he said supposedly taxes really need to go up 26% but they scraped it back to the bone at the close to 9% figure. Now I know it is hard at this stage to believe anything he say but that would mean that they would have to exceed the tax cap next year as well.
For years the burden has been on fewer and fewer home owners who try so hard and have been abused, if Cuomos initiative does kick in then for sure we will lose as they have no stomach for doing the right thing and cutting the waste.
This time though every resident would lose because the tax rebates would have gone out. To every resident as I understand it.
It should be evident that the mayor is telling big lies one way or the other.
First he says Utica is financially great and has a surplus, they have dug themselves out of the hole left by Roefaro and turned the corner. Then a few days later he says we are in big trouble and needed really to put taxes up 26% thirteen times the tax cap.
Either way he told a massive lie and can not be trusted any more.
Long gone this time

Little Falls, NY

#99 Feb 23, 2014
People sometimes dismiss what is happening and say sure you whine every year and yet no mass exodus.
News people, it doesn't happen all at once, people have been moving out each year. Others have lost their houses because they can not pay.
There was a tipping point and we are past that. I believe taxes are up over 50% in just the last five or six years which is a huge increase at the same time as a big recession.
As the ones who car end own move out more social problems in and property values decline.
Again classic Detroit death spiral, at some point soon it will not be aww you moan every year because there will be no one left who cares enough to moan.
The stupidity of it is the mayors and politicians have so little respect for themselves or others that they do not care, just so long as they get their bloated pay.
FYI

Utica, NY

#100 Feb 23, 2014
Over 86% of the expenditures in the proposed Budget are mandated items that the City is contractually obligated to pay.
The bonding alone is enough to raise the taxes by 10%
The tax increase equates to a $9.25 per month cost for the average Utica homeowner (average Utica home is assessed at $55,000). The is a home with a fair market value of $70,000.00.
This is roughly 35 cents a day or $2.25 - less than a cup of coffee.
The 2% tax cap is a joke. Cuomo is running fro president so he puts out things like telling people that if the municipality sticks to 2% you will get a break on your income tax. It costs him nothing and puts the burden on the local level to make him look good.
I put this in the same category as giving prisoners a college education and cutting the funding for our local schools.
Every City of comparable size in NYS has a higher budget than Utica.
The mayor of Oswego had proposed at tax hike of nearly 82 percent and a rate of $18+ per $1,000 assessed. Councilors have it down to around 40 percent and a rate of $14.39 per $1,000.
Read the article below to see what services they are cutting
http://oswegocountytoday.com/council-hacks-os...
As to all the seniors on fixed incomes - you still receive a cost of living raise every year.
The non-union City employees have not had a raise in 6 years. The department heads had a 5% CUT in pay.
Departments have been consolidated, people who leave are not being replaced.
Overall the number of employees in the City is down by over 150 positions.
Larry Handiman Josheph

United States

#101 Feb 23, 2014
65% of the budget goes to layers and layers and layers [plus layers of 'brass] lawsuit-prone, unaccountable phony "pubic safety" and their "Obesity Insurance" aka "pensions".

THERE's your culprit. You people got ripped of, you asked for it with 30 yrs of gweedo "leadership" and racist lowlife intellect.

Utica will never improve, only their claims!
Larry Handiman Josheph

United States

#102 Feb 23, 2014
FYI wrote:
Over 86% of the expenditures in the proposed Budget are mandated items that the City is contractually obligated to pay.
The bonding alone is enough to raise the taxes by 10%
The tax increase equates to a $9.25 per month cost for the average Utica homeowner (average Utica home is assessed at $55,000). The is a home with a fair market value of $70,000.00.
This is roughly 35 cents a day or $2.25 - less than a cup of coffee.
The 2% tax cap is a joke. Cuomo is running fro president so he puts out things like telling people that if the municipality sticks to 2% you will get a break on your income tax. It costs him nothing and puts the burden on the local level to make him look good.
I put this in the same category as giving prisoners a college education and cutting the funding for our local schools.
Every City of comparable size in NYS has a higher budget than Utica.
The mayor of Oswego had proposed at tax hike of nearly 82 percent and a rate of $18+ per $1,000 assessed. Councilors have it down to around 40 percent and a rate of $14.39 per $1,000.
Read the article below to see what services they are cutting
http://oswegocountytoday.com/council-hacks-os...
As to all the seniors on fixed incomes - you still receive a cost of living raise every year.
The non-union City employees have not had a raise in 6 years. The department heads had a 5% CUT in pay.
Departments have been consolidated, people who leave are not being replaced.
Overall the number of employees in the City is down by over 150 positions.
Too bad. Looks like most people disagree with your platitudes. People are FED UP there with the phoniness and waste for lowlife.

Maybe when the Utica Police learn to keep theirfucking racist mouths shut and stop catching huge lawsuits for their goombah "brotherhood" queers people will have more respect for them but much like "nano" THAT is not ever going to happen.
Larry Handiman Josheph

United States

#103 Feb 23, 2014
In short, nobody wants to keep paying your WELFARE and NO the STATE does NOT owe you retards anything YOU all put yourselves in this liquid feces YOU lowlife upstate subhuman racistassholes should pay for it.
Long gone this time

Little Falls, NY

#104 Feb 23, 2014
FYI wrote:
Over 86% of the expenditures in the proposed Budget are mandated items that the City is contractually obligated to pay.
The bonding alone is enough to raise the taxes by 10%
The tax increase equates to a $9.25 per month cost for the average Utica homeowner (average Utica home is assessed at $55,000). The is a home with a fair market value of $70,000.00.
This is roughly 35 cents a day or $2.25 - less than a cup of coffee.
The 2% tax cap is a joke. Cuomo is running fro president so he puts out things like telling people that if the municipality sticks to 2% you will get a break on your income tax. It costs him nothing and puts the burden on the local level to make him look good.
I put this in the same category as giving prisoners a college education and cutting the funding for our local schools.
Every City of comparable size in NYS has a higher budget than Utica.
The mayor of Oswego had proposed at tax hike of nearly 82 percent and a rate of $18+ per $1,000 assessed. Councilors have it down to around 40 percent and a rate of $14.39 per $1,000.
Read the article below to see what services they are cutting
http://oswegocountytoday.com/council-hacks-os...
As to all the seniors on fixed incomes - you still receive a cost of living raise every year.
The non-union City employees have not had a raise in 6 years. The department heads had a 5% CUT in pay.
Departments have been consolidated, people who leave are not being replaced.
Overall the number of employees in the City is down by over 150 positions.
Contacted to pay, yes which is why we need a control board. Sold out time and again by mayor after mayor to the UPD and UFD bloated salary and retirement corruption funds.
The bonding alone is enough to raise taxes 10%
Maybe and that bonding includes two million for the UPD incompetence case with Longo and many other claims and settlements against the corruption in the UPD.
Please don't tell me Cuomo is running for president, that is pure speculation.
As far as loss of positions, that is what happens when the bloated overpaid few don't give a damn about the bottom rung and are happy to see the. Lose their jobs so they can keep their pork.
The seniors on fixed incomes.....sure you all get a cost of living increase each year.....so you can all just go and eat cake.
Forget the seniors, who cares about them just so long as the bloated thieves at city hall get theirs, what a mentality.
There is info on tax per thousand in value and when it is cheaper to live in New Hartford with decent service than Utica, only the delusional would prefer to live in Utica.
Typical attitude of, well we don't care if you have the money....you still have to pay. News flash people don't have it, take all the city and then you can maintain all the property's and have NO taxes. Keep borrowing then and see how long the bloated pay and pensions get paid.
Read Detroit, same crap different city, median house price eleven thousand. Oh and the city wil PAY you to take a house off them just please pay tax on it. You know for the fourth seven percent of houses no longer paying tax and the city refuse to take the house and forgive the taxes.
Hold on Utica it will happen, sooner than city hall thinks.
Waaaaah

United States

#105 Feb 23, 2014
It just can't happen fast enough.

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