AHL team paid for with your tax dollars
Da Law

New York, NY

#62 Mar 2, 2013
Utica34 wrote:
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Yes. It's one big conspiracy. Please.
You've admitted the management team is working to keep details of the deal secret.

You've admitted the same team is carefully controlling the reveal process, and their use of a lobbying firm is public knowledge.

How you can deny that the whole affair is being stage managed is beyond me.

Utica34
Level 4

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#63 Mar 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
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You've admitted the management team is working to keep details of the deal secret.
You've admitted the same team is carefully controlling the reveal process, and their use of a lobbying firm is public knowledge.
How you can deny that the whole affair is being stage managed is beyond me.
When they announce it is when they want to announce it. It's their choice.

So are you going to the games this fall?
Da Law

New York, NY

#64 Mar 2, 2013
Utica34 wrote:
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When they announce it is when they want to announce it. It's their choice.
So are you going to the games this fall?
A secret backroom deal that loots millions of dollars out of the public coffers? Why, who could possibly resist being part of the magic!

It's right up there with watching all those movies produced by the Utica Film Company, enjoying the fine restaurants at the Utica City Center, or enjoying the luxurious accommodations at the Hotel Utica. Heck, we can put together a little vacation package that includes all of them.

Utica34
Level 4

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#65 Mar 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
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A secret backroom deal that loots millions of dollars out of the public coffers? Why, who could possibly resist being part of the magic!
It's right up there with watching all those movies produced by the Utica Film Company, enjoying the fine restaurants at the Utica City Center, or enjoying the luxurious accommodations at the Hotel Utica. Heck, we can put together a little vacation package that includes all of them.
Assumptions that money will be "looted". Will Oliver stone be making a movie?

More importantly, are you going to the games this fall?
AHL

Utica, NY

#66 Mar 2, 2013
Da Law you are good, you've got them(Utica34) rattled keep going.

Utica34 what is in this for you are you being paid to keep this hype going?

Utica34 does this management team know that you have already made annoucements to the public for them?

Utica34
Level 4

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#67 Mar 2, 2013
AHL wrote:
Da Law you are good, you've got them(Utica34) rattled keep going.
Utica34 what is in this for you are you being paid to keep this hype going?
Utica34 does this management team know that you have already made annoucements to the public for them?
I didn't make any announcements to the public and neither did they. They Will be but havent yet. The writer in the OD wrote a blog I got confirmation it's true and that's it. Like I said if people don't want to believe it then dont. Doesn't bother me. But if people want to argue and debate with me about it I won't walk away from that either.
Are you going to the games this fall?
Uticahockeyfanat ic

Ithaca, NY

#68 Mar 2, 2013
Our tax dollars are spent on alot of other worse things than a prohockey team. Finally investing some money into something that will add alittle quality of life to the area. Even if you don't like hockey, give this a chance before you beat it down. The benefits of a pro team go far beyond the game itself. It creates a sense of pride in our community. How many people will buy Utica Flames jerseys or shirts long before the hockey season begins?? Business will advertise in the programs, there will be promotions, and player meet and greet as the season gets closer. And if you havent been to the AUD for a hockey game, well shame on you. Utica may have one of the smaller arenas, but when the AUD gets rockin, its louder then any other building.
Da Law

New York, NY

#69 Mar 2, 2013
Utica34 wrote:
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Like I said if people don't want to believe it then dont. Doesn't bother me.
The problem is that we *do* believe it. You confirmed that the account from "Insider" was true. And that's exactly the scenario everyone feared in this deal- the Usual Suspects seizing control of the Aud. That gives them at least $7 million dollars to plow into the Friends and Family plan, and doesn't even take into account the potential revenue from ancillary sources and bonding.
But if people want to argue and debate with me about it I won't walk away from that either.
Huh? Your response to any critical question is...
Are you going to the games this fall?
Valid questions have been raised about the potentially disastrous consequences of giving these people access to the already politically exploited Water Authority money. Your response is just more "Rah-Rah, Hockey!" It's risen to the level of self-parody.

Surely you're not ignorant of the abysmal history these "public/private partnerships" have in Utica? Every single one of them, stretching back to Charlestown and right up to this months payout for the Hotel Utica, has been an orgy of insider dealing and failure. Again, and again, and again we same the same names wallowing up to the public trough spouting promises of "economic development" and "quality of life". And without fail it turns into a disaster.

And now you tell us that the same people will once again be slurping up public dollars, but this time it will be different? No, strike that. This will be different, because they'll have the ability to issue bonds that will be need to be paid back long after the contract is over.
Da Law

New York, NY

#70 Mar 2, 2013
Uticahockeyfanatic wrote:
The benefits of a pro team go far beyond the game itself. It creates a sense of pride in our community. How many people will buy Utica Flames jerseys or shirts long before the hockey season begins?? Business will advertise in the programs, there will be promotions, and player meet and greet as the season gets closer.
That sounds great. Why can't they do all that with their own money?

Why do they need $7 million in public funds?

Utica34
Level 4

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#71 Mar 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
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The problem is that we *do* believe it. You confirmed that the account from "Insider" was true. And that's exactly the scenario everyone feared in this deal- the Usual Suspects seizing control of the Aud. That gives them at least $7 million dollars to plow into the Friends and Family plan, and doesn't even take into account the potential revenue from ancillary sources and bonding.
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Huh? Your response to any critical question is...
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Valid questions have been raised about the potentially disastrous consequences of giving these people access to the already politically exploited Water Authority money. Your response is just more "Rah-Rah, Hockey!" It's risen to the level of self-parody.
Surely you're not ignorant of the abysmal history these "public/private partnerships" have in Utica? Every single one of them, stretching back to Charlestown and right up to this months payout for the Hotel Utica, has been an orgy of insider dealing and failure. Again, and again, and again we same the same names wallowing up to the public trough spouting promises of "economic development" and "quality of life". And without fail it turns into a disaster.
And now you tell us that the same people will once again be slurping up public dollars, but this time it will be different? No, strike that. This will be different, because they'll have the ability to issue bonds that will be need to be paid back long after the contract is over.
You are making so many assumptions its almost comical.

So are you going to the games this fall?
Da Law

New York, NY

#72 Mar 2, 2013
Utica34 wrote:
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You are making so many assumptions its almost comical.
And you're once again avoiding answering any genuine concerns.
Good Info

Manlius, NY

#73 Mar 2, 2013
FYI. Here is some information on the deal and the "lobbying firm in Albany" for the Utica Flames:
http://forum.canucks.com/topic/340447-report-...
No longer rumor, but fact - professional hockey will once again be on display in New York's Mohawk Valley. An American Hockey League affiliate will be in operation for the 2013-2014 season. The Calgary Flames of the National Hockey League's western conference will be developing their talent in the Utica Memorial Auditorium. Utica last had an AHL team during the 1992-'93 seasson , the final season of the New Jersey Devils six-season run at the Aud.
Here's what we do know, according to a reliable source. A 10-year deal has been struck with the Flames. There had been discussion in previous months that an AHL affiliate could be relocated to Utica, but not until the 2014-'15 season, due to scheduling issues. As far as any opt-out clause in the deal, I don't know for sure if or when one has been added. However, you would think an escape route, for both parties ( local operators and the Flames ) would/should want one. 10 years is infinity and beyond in any relationship.
A lobbying firm in Albany is involved with those locally who will be managing the franchise. Two sources have informed us that public money is being pursed in conjunction with the return of professional hockey to Utica. There are a few phases of upgrades to the Aud planned. Skyboxes are in the plans to be added to the 54-year old arena, however it isn't clear at this time during what planning phase work will get under way.
Season tickets - At this stage of planning, no definite dollar amount has been decided. Once an official announcement is made, on or about March 23 of the Flames relocating their AHL franchise to Utica, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that telemarketing-like phone calls will begin.
Locker room / training facilities : Some cleaning out of rooms in the lower level of the Aud have already been done we are informed. To the right of the Utica College hockey locker room entrance, this is the space where the new locker room and training facility will be constructed. We are told that the UC teams ( men & women ) will have access to the training facility.
Scheduling : At this time, the UC men's schedule is said to be honored for next season.
Management : The well known, well experienced local management team in the hockey world are expected to assume management of the Aud, from concessions to parking. We understand that the area behind the Aud, where fans for UC games and other events park in the street, will be paved and made into a parking lot(s).
Video Scoreboard : Plans are to replace the current scoreboard with a modern video scoreboard , of which UC games would have access to.
Ironically, in 1993 when the Devils relocated their AHL franchise to Albany where they became known as the River Rats, it was the Calgary Flames who purchased the team and relocated to St. John, New Brunswick.
Good Info

Manlius, NY

#74 Mar 2, 2013
and more...

Will there be support for professional hockey in the Mohawk Valley? This is the several million dollar question. If you study the attendance figures of the Utica College men's program, the answer would be a resounding - yes. Ticket prices are an important factor when kids and families have continued to support the programs. At $6.00 for adults and $2.00 for non-Utica College students, the games are highly affordable. AHL ticket prices clearly will be north of what UC charges. This is where recruiting season ticket and mini-plans, and single-game ticket sales will get a bit sticky. UC fans, as well as hockey fans in general, would have to get used to paying higher, professional hockey ticket prices.
Clearly, the local management team leaders know the region well and are experienced in every facet in the operation of an AHL franchise. They will be investing greatly in bring professional hockey back to the area. It appears that they have the cooperation of all the necessary parties needed to make this project succeed.

KY WELLER
Level 9

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#75 Mar 2, 2013
Da Law wrote:
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There's no public debate needed for privately funded development. Hence the lack of debate on the new Bass Pro Shop project, the biggest retail effort the area has seen in decades.
As others have pointed out, if the deal is already done there's absolutely no need for secrecy. Then why is there all this obfuscation about it?
Our various levels of government could not accomplish anything if they were required to allow debate on all things that come up. I don't think authorities have to discuss anything unless they are levying taxes,or bonding...
Mike C

Rome, NY

#76 Mar 5, 2013
Utica34 wrote:
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AWESOME! However he will not be answering the most important question on march 4th I assure you.
Will he even be showing up now? It's abit embarrassing that couldn't even get 2000 likes with all the press attention.

Utica34
Level 4

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#77 Mar 5, 2013
Mike C wrote:
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Will he even be showing up now? It's abit embarrassing that couldn't even get 2000 likes with all the press attention.
Ummm....what press attention? A small blog post that appeared for less than 24 hours? A 15 minute Robert esche interview? My calculations that was it.

Will you be attending the games this fall?
Mike C

Rome, NY

#78 Mar 5, 2013
Utica34 wrote:
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Ummm....what press attention? A small blog post that appeared for less than 24 hours? A 15 minute Robert esche interview? My calculations that was it.
Will you be attending the games this fall?
Is anyone going to be attending? Things aren't looking good at this point.
Utica34

Campbell, NY

#79 Mar 5, 2013
Mike C wrote:
<quoted text>Is anyone going to be attending? Things aren't looking good at this point.
Considering the deal is already done I say the chances are quite good

Will you be going?
Mike C

Rome, NY

#80 Mar 5, 2013
Utica34 wrote:
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Considering the deal is already done I say the chances are quite good
Will you be going?
You forgot to log back in after spamming with your alts. LOL

Utica34
Level 4

Since: Feb 13

Albany, NY

#81 Mar 5, 2013
Mike C wrote:
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You forgot to log back in after spamming with your alts. LOL
I actually used a phone to post that and ill stand by the statement. The deal is done.

So will you be attending the games this fall?

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