Truth

Utica, NY

#214 Dec 12, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with evrything in the above post. I am a bussiness man and have reiterated all of the above for many years. What your point is and who you ARE TALKING TO IS ANOTHER matter. H ow about the minimum wage? For or against? How about workplace safety? How about shipping jobs overseas and getting tax breaks? How about the corporatocracy of Washington? Of course bussinesses should be allowed to run things the way they see fit, but, capitalism without controls is just as f#cked up as socialism out of control. It's interesting that the two richest guys in the world Buffet and Gates think that the rich should pay more. it seems to me that they might know a few things about bussiness, don't you think?
Thank you for your response and for your questions. I appreciate your tone and would like to give you my opinion on each of the things you've asked about. I apologize in advance if the responses are wordy but you've asked some great questions that deserve adequate answers. I'm going to respond to each with a separate post.

Minimum wage:
I am for a minmum wage but maybe not the way it is or the way you would like it to be. I would try something progressive. I would take into account age and the fact that many of these are entry level jobs that don't require a lot of experience. I don't like the fact that businesses like McDonalds are forced to pay a 16 year old high scool student what they do. Minimum wage has become more of an emotional issue based on standard of living rather than on the value of a job and that is what makes this a difficult question. We have to distinguish between an entry level/low skill job and one that requires more. Different businesses have different profit margins so in that way I see where a minmum wage limits job growth. No one is going to hire if the investment in that hire isn't going to earn them a profit. Great question. I know my answer seems all over the board but in a nutshell, I like a minimum wage but only if it reflects economic realty and not a social agenda. I think what we have is unfair and is a job killer.
Truth

Utica, NY

#215 Dec 12, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with evrything in the above post. I am a bussiness man and have reiterated all of the above for many years. What your point is and who you ARE TALKING TO IS ANOTHER matter. H ow about the minimum wage? For or against? How about workplace safety? How about shipping jobs overseas and getting tax breaks? How about the corporatocracy of Washington? Of course bussinesses should be allowed to run things the way they see fit, but, capitalism without controls is just as f#cked up as socialism out of control. It's interesting that the two richest guys in the world Buffet and Gates think that the rich should pay more. it seems to me that they might know a few things about bussiness, don't you think?
Workplace safety:
I am all about workplace safety. Obviously I care about the well being of all workers on the job but there is an economic aspect that leads me in this direction too. Liability. The stronger the worker safety record, the lower the insurance premium. The lower the insurance premium, the higher the profit margin. Everyone wins with a strong safety plan and resonable safety regulations in the workplace. I will add a caveat though. It's this. Like with any regulation there can be too little, just the right amount or too much. In the litigious society we live in regulation has become over-reaching, costly and overwhelming in many ways. Many businesses have to employ staff to do nothing more than compliance. Pure overhead and in many cases the only beneficiaries are the bureaucrats who collect a taxpayer funded paycheck. I also think we have too much regulation without the kind of torte reform that would serve as a counter-balance.

Obviously if someone if hurt on the job as a result of negligence then they should be compensated for that. We are far beyond that though. Attorneys advertise saying that they are feared by business so many workers put the "heavy hitters" on speed dail and look for an excuse. Some litigation is necessary and should never be prohibited but frivolous litigation drives up the cost of doing business. We live in an age when this type of thing is almost encouraged. And why not? Wealthy people and successful businesses are all evil and deserve to be punished anyway right? And they'll never miss it anyway, right? No one stops to realize that many if not most of these cases end
with settlements. Not because a business did anything wrong but because it's cheaper than a court battle. The plaintiff risks nothing. The "heavy hitters" work on contingency. The business pays either way. I think we should have a "court of common sense" where a case is judged to be worthy of litigation or not. Kind of a grand jury for civil liability litigation. Consider this too. The
money paid out in one of these cases may well have gone for expansion or job creation. You don't hear much about profit going for those things do you? For the most part profit is portrayed as going to buy large homes, fast cars and big boats for owners or bonuses for management. The truth is that if an owner isn't plowing profit back into the business it will likely fail eventually.
Truth

Utica, NY

#216 Dec 12, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with evrything in the above post. I am a bussiness man and have reiterated all of the above for many years. What your point is and who you ARE TALKING TO IS ANOTHER matter. H ow about the minimum wage? For or against? How about workplace safety? How about shipping jobs overseas and getting tax breaks? How about the corporatocracy of Washington? Of course bussinesses should be allowed to run things the way they see fit, but, capitalism without controls is just as f#cked up as socialism out of control. It's interesting that the two richest guys in the world Buffet and Gates think that the rich should pay more. it seems to me that they might know a few things about bussiness, don't you think?
Outsourcing/offshoring work:
Business is about making a profit. If the cost of taxes, regulation and labor inhibit or prohibit business from making a profit the I am for looking for a place where a profit can be made.
It's not greed. It's a desire for success. More profit means more expansion and profit is what makes companies attractive to investors. More investors leads to more expansion/improvement which leads to more jobs.

Lobbying:
You are asking about corporate lobbying in Washington. Overall I hate the idea of it. The reality is though that as long as labor unions(public and private), environmental inerests and all of the other non-business lobbys are allowed to fill politicians pockets to advance their agenda then business will have to do the same. In reality less lobbying cost means higher profits and lower prices. Get rid of the non-business special interest money and I might
be for an end to all lobby money. Until then though as long as it falls within the limits outlined in law, I have to be for it. If it amounts to provable, blatant bribery then prosecute all involved. The biggest thisg is that we need to look at everything and not just business. The trail lawyers, the teacher unions and the UAW have a lot of power as a result of the money they spend on lobbying.
Truth

Utica, NY

#218 Dec 12, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text> It's interesting that the two richest guys in the world Buffet and Gates think that the rich should pay more. it seems to me that they might know a few things about bussiness, don't you think?
Higher taxes on the successful:
First, Gates and Buffett are in the business stratosphere. There is no valid comparison between them and a small businessman grossing $250k a year. None. They are both subject to the same rates under any plan being floated ny the President and congressional Democrats though.

If Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or you for that matter think it's right for them I'm all for that. Individual choice in the matter. I like that. I don't think many small business people feel the way they do. If they or you feel that way then by all means write a check. They aren't leaving anything to their children either. That wouldn't be choice. The thing I don't like about idea of higher
taxes on succesful people is that I think that profit is the engine that drives business. Anytime you introduce something that reduces profit it removes one's impetus to be more successful.
We all need to pay taxes. Don't misunderstand. There are things that need to be paid for.

My opinion is though that when the taxpayer feels like their contribution isn't entirely being used wisely(waste) or it's going to fund an agenda that has nothing to with the powers given
government by the constitution they shouldn't have to be treated as an ATM machine for government and at the same time be called names or portrayed as greedy. I think that the liberal progressives
who foster this hate directed toward the successful (you call them the rich) fail to acknowkledge that many times these are folks who have worked hard, sacrificed and now just want to enjoy the
fruits of their labor. That doesn't make them evil and it certainly isn't evil for them to ask that people try before asking for a financial hand. I said hand, not handout. I think that there
will always be those among us who will need a hand and we, especially those who are financially successful, should help. I think though that the amount of help, what kind of help and who
we trust to give the help should be left to the conscience and goodwill of the individual and not a function of government. I even believe in the individual right to not give. While I think giving is the right thing to do I don't advocate forcing people. I also don't think that everyone who is asking for(or even in some cases demanding) a hand has tried. I think the environment has evolved over time to one where if a person doesnt't want to work they are able to demand and get aid. Personally I don't think a paid apartment, a cell phone, a pet, a car sometimes, food stamps and an amount of discretionery cash qualifies as poverty. Many disagree and I realize that. I think that by giving them more and more we remove the impetus to try. Everyone has a level of compassion they are comfortable with. This post represents mine and only mine and that's the point. What it comes down to is should I be able to decide how best to put my money to use helping those who I feel are worthy of my help or should I be forced to give money I earned to government to distribute based on what someone else thinks is compassion?
I remember when George W Bush wanted to give government money directly to local charities. Some were "Faith Based Initiatives" . Many liberal progrssives lined up against this proposal saying it was a violation of church/state separation. I thought that it was a good idea. The local charities had the "boots on the ground" that let them know how to best distribute the funds. I didn't agree with government re-distribution of wealth but if it was going to happen anyway I thought that local people of faith were better qualified than a government bureaucracy that cost untold millions in taxpayer money.
Do any of my responses sound unreasonable?
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#219 Dec 12, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
“Why do you want to twist reality to make everything worse than it is?” These are facts…“The stock market is almost doubled compared to how Bush left it. Why Lie?” I didn’t lie and if you feel 4 years is awesome for it to double… More power to you and your stocks…“Bin Laden is dead. And so is most of Al qaida leadership. There will always be a few terrorists around. Always was.” Again I didn’t twist I only pointed to the 4 dead…“You think G.M. workers would be better off if Obama hadn't bailed them out?” Yes I do…“TRy telling that in Ohio or Michigan. The folks there will tell you to get your head out of your asz” Who just became a “RIGHT TO WORK STATE” and the Union thugs get violent… Awesome< SARCASM.
“Obama got us out of Iraq, thank God. And he will get us out of Afaghanistan, hopefully. You really are just a "Gloomy Gus"” I am a realist and howmany are dying in Afghanistan still?? Really we should leave?
“as for unions, they have been nothing but a big pain in my butt all my life. But, the truth is they have lost about seventy five % of their bussiness in the last thirty years. And if it wasn't for unions we wouldn't have the forty hour work week, an end to child labor \, and workplace safety just to name a few. How come you right wing loons always have to have an enemy.” Yet they have been the biggest source of removing liberties for 50 years… Americans deserve a choice of whether or not they want to belong to a union.“As for a Fox news reporter getting punched in the face, well that just makes my day. They have done more to spread lies and hyperpartisan propaganda than anything else. Your idiotic world view is collapsing all around you. And it makes me very happy.” Then you are no better than the thug who punched him…
If you disagree say so, but just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make him a liar… Love you socialism for now marine, more right to work states are to come and more freedoms for Americans.
I didn't call you a liar because we disagree. You lied. You said that the market is lower now than when Bush left. When in fact it has doubled. Is four years an awesome time for that to happen. Absolutely! In fact it's probably a record breaker. You're the one that brought it up, not me.Yes four Americans were unfortunately killed in Libya. How do you blame the president for that? Bush orders the absolute devastation of Iraq, on what turns out to be faulty information. OOPs! But, you make no mention of that. He dropped the ball in the hunt for Bin Laden to do it. OOps! As for the reporter getting punched? Fox has been villifying unions constantly. using lies and false propaganda. Those guys know it. Maybe next time someone tells him to get out of their face he will listen. The unions were intrumental in creating the greatest middle class in history. Your beloved plutocrats have shipped jobs overseas, and driven the American middle class into the ditch. Eisenhowewr believed that it was essential for all Americans to have the right of collective bargaining. In fact your beloved Ron Reagan got his start as a union leader. Maybe if you studied a little history you wouldn't find yourself on the wrong side of history so consistantly. Your party of stupid is in chaos. And it isn't going to get any better. Their main supporters (angry old white men will be dying off soon. And the demographics that they have so stupidly alienated are on the rise. Namely the young colllege educated, women, blacks, latinos, and gays. As long as the base of the G.O.P is tuned into idiots like Limbaugh and Beck their future is bleak indeed.

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#220 Dec 12, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't call you a liar because we disagree. You lied. You said that the market is lower now than when Bush left. When in fact it has doubled. Is four years an awesome time for that to happen. Absolutely! In fact it's probably a record breaker. You're the one that brought it up, not me.Yes four Americans were unfortunately killed in Libya. How do you blame the president for that? Bush orders the absolute devastation of Iraq, on what turns out to be faulty information. Oe greatest middle class in history. Your beloved plutocrats have shipped jobs overseas, and driven the American middle class into the ditch. Eisenhowewr believed that it was essential for all Americans to have the right of collective bargaining. In fact your beloved Ron Reagan got his start as a union leader. Maybe if you studied a little history you wouldn't find yourself on the wrong side of history so consistantly. Your party of stupid is in chaos. And it isn't going to get any better. Their main supporters (angry old white men will be dying off soon. And the demographics that they have so stupidly alienated are on the rise. Namely the young colllege educated, women, blacks, latinos, and gays. As long as the base of the G.O.P is tuned into idiots like Limbaugh and Beck their future is bleak indeed.
“I didn't call you a liar because we disagree.” I never said you called me a liar.
“You lied.” No I did not.“You said that the market is lower now than when Bush left.” Never said that.
“When in fact it has doubled. Is four years an awesome time for that to happen. Absolutely! In fact it's probably a record breaker.” Really how so?
“Yes four Americans were unfortunately killed in Libya. How do you blame the president for that?” I didn’t do that either.
“Bush orders the absolute devastation of Iraq, on what turns out to be faulty information. OOPs! But, you make no mention of that.” The was was justified whether you agree or not.
“He dropped the ball in the hunt for Bin Laden to do it. OOps!” Unsure of your point.

“As for the reporter getting punched? Fox has been villifying unions constantly. using lies and false propaganda. Those guys know it. Maybe next time someone tells him to get out of their face he will listen.” Seriously? You have got to be joking... If it was BIG ED who got decked by someone in a tea party rally would you feel the same? NOT LIKELY. NOTE never has there been violence at a tea party rally than we have seen in such rallys as occupy and unions rallies...

“The unions were intrumental in creating the greatest middle class in history. Your beloved plutocrats have shipped jobs overseas, and driven the American middle class into the ditch. Eisenhowewr believed that it was essential for all Americans to have the right of collective bargaining.” But to be forced to pay dues and join? How is that liberty?

“In fact your beloved Ron Reagan got his start as a union leader. Maybe if you studied a little history you wouldn't find yourself on the wrong side of history so consistantly.” I seem to know better than you but neither here nor there...

“Your party of stupid is in chaos.” You don’t know what party I belong too do you or even if I have one.
“And it isn't going to get any better. Their main supporters (angry old white men will be dying off soon. And the demographics that they have so stupidly alienated are on the rise. Namely the young colllege educated, women, blacks, latinos, and gays.” So you full on admitted racist and sexist?
“As long as the base of the G.O.P is tuned into idiots like Limbaugh and Beck their future is bleak indeed.” America is being help hostage by liberals like you who love socialism and disregard American values... We will fight for our Country.
Ben Gleck

New Hartford, NY

#221 Dec 12, 2012
Isn't it interesting the people like Buffett and Gates, Billionaires, want to protect their own wealth and tax the EARNINGS of people just starting out. Those two people earned and socked away their billions and now they want the up and coming earners to be taxed so they can never achieve the wealth they did.
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#222 Dec 12, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
Isn't it interesting the people like Buffett and Gates, Billionaires, want to protect their own wealth and tax the EARNINGS of people just starting out. Those two people earned and socked away their billions and now they want the up and coming earners to be taxed so they can never achieve the wealth they did.
What kind of grown man plays troll games on Topix all day? There is really something very wrong with you. You must have been severely abused.
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#223 Dec 12, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
“I didn't call you a liar because we disagree.” I never said you called me a liar.
“You lied.” No I did not.“You said that the market is lower now than when Bush left.” Never said that.
“When in fact it has doubled. Is four years an awesome time for that to happen. Absolutely! In fact it's probably a record breaker.” Really how so?
“Yes four Americans were unfortunately killed in Libya. How do you blame the president for that?” I didn’t do that either.
“Bush orders the absolute devastation of Iraq, on what turns out to be faulty information. OOPs! But, you make no mention of that.” The was was justified whether you agree or not.
“He dropped the ball in the hunt for Bin Laden to do it. OOps!” Unsure of your point.
“As for the reporter getting punched? Fox has been villifying unions constantly. using lies and false propaganda. Those guys know it. Maybe next time someone tells him to get out of their face he will listen.” Seriously? You have got to be joking... If it was BIG ED who got decked by someone in a tea party rally would you feel the same? NOT LIKELY. NOTE never has there been violence at a tea party rally than we have seen in such rallys as occupy and unions rallies...
“The unions were intrumental in creating the greatest middle class in history. Your beloved plutocrats have shipped jobs overseas, and driven the American middle class into the ditch. Eisenhowewr believed that it was essential for all Americans to have the right of collective bargaining.” But to be forced to pay dues and join? How is that liberty?
“In fact your beloved Ron Reagan got his start as a union leader. Maybe if you studied a little history you wouldn't find yourself on the wrong side of history so consistantly.” I seem to know better than you but neither here nor there...
“Your party of stupid is in chaos.” You don’t know what party I belong too do you or even if I have one.
“And it isn't going to get any better. Their main supporters (angry old white men will be dying off soon. And the demographics that they have so stupidly alienated are on the rise. Namely the young colllege educated, women, blacks, latinos, and gays.” So you full on admitted racist and sexist?
“As long as the base of the G.O.P is tuned into idiots like Limbaugh and Beck their future is bleak indeed.” America is being help hostage by liberals like you who love socialism and disregard American values... We will fight for our Country.
“You need to quit looking for reasons to be sad. Stock market is up,” Not even to levels when Bush was in office…“unemployment is down,” Still higher then when Obama took office…“Ok , your holier than thouness. That statement is copied and pasted from YOUR post # 210 on the previous page. How can you deny that? That's the exact kind of B.S. that Romney did and why he lost the election. he showed absolutely no sense of integrity. And neither do you.

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#224 Dec 12, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>“You need to quit looking for reasons to be sad. Stock market is up,” Not even to levels when Bush was in office…“unemployment is down,” Still higher then when Obama took office…“Ok , your holier than thouness. That statement is copied and pasted from YOUR post # 210 on the previous page. How can you deny that? That's the exact kind of B.S. that Romney did and why he lost the election. he showed absolutely no sense of integrity. And neither do you.
Sorry little guy. I can't control how you misread a post or how you want your liberal views to be a positive source when it isn't. Interesting how you choose to ignore the union issue.
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#225 Dec 12, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry little guy. I can't control how you misread a post or how you want your liberal views to be a positive source when it isn't. Interesting how you choose to ignore the union issue.
You must be a huge Romney fan. Please correct me then. Did you not say that the market is lower now than when Bush was in? For a guy who likes to claim the high ground ethically, you sure bullshit alot. What union issue? It's no big surprize that the G.O.P. is ginning up their anti union rhetoric. What else do they have? They lost on the health care deal, they lost on the gay marriage deal, they are losing on the marijuana deal. So they bash the unions. Everything that you have been cock sure of in the past two years has not worked out. Do you ever get the sinking feeling that, perhaps you're not grasping reality properly? As for the election, don't feel blue the best man by far won. He may go down in history as one of the best. And your party may just become totally irrelavent.
Take a hit Gleck

Nanuet, NY

#226 Dec 12, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text> You must be a huge Romney fan. Please correct me then. Did you not say that the market is lower now than when Bush was in? For a guy who likes to claim the high ground ethically, you sure bullshit alot. What union issue? It's no big surprize that the G.O.P. is ginning up their anti union rhetoric. What else do they have? They lost on the health care deal, they lost on the gay marriage deal, they are losing on the marijuana deal. So they bash the unions. Everything that you have been cock sure of in the past two years has not worked out. Do you ever get the sinking feeling that, perhaps you're not grasping reality properly? As for the election, don't feel blue the best man by far won. He may go down in history as one of the best. And your party may just become totally irrelavent.
WOW the air is thick with CRACK smoke in your house tonight!

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#227 Dec 13, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text> You must be a huge Romney fan. Please correct me then. Did you not say that the market is lower now than when Bush was in? For a guy who likes to claim the high ground ethically, you sure bullshit alot. What union issue? It's no big surprize that the G.O.P. is ginning up their anti union rhetoric. What else do they have? They lost on the health care deal, they lost on the gay marriage deal, they are losing on the marijuana deal. So they bash the unions. Everything that you have been cock sure of in the past two years has not worked out. Do you ever get the sinking feeling that, perhaps you're not grasping reality properly? As for the election, don't feel blue the best man by far won. He may go down in history as one of the best. And your party may just become totally irrelavent.
“You must be a huge Romney fan.” Based on what information?
“ Did you not say that the market is lower now than when Bush was in?” No I did not.
“ For a guy who likes to claim the high ground ethically, you sure bullshit alot.” Like I said, I am not responsible for you misreading and incomprenshion.
“ What union issue?” You ignored THE FOLLOWING: YOU SAID,“As for the reporter getting punched? Fox has been villifying unions constantly. using lies and false propaganda. Those guys know it. Maybe next time someone tells him to get out of their face he will listen.” I replied, Seriously? You have got to be joking... If it was BIG ED who got decked by someone in a tea party rally would you feel the same? NOT LIKELY. NOTE never has there been violence at a tea party rally than we have seen in such rallies as occupy and union rallies... YOU DIDN’T RESPOND.

YOU SAID,“The unions were intrumental in creating the greatest middle class in history. Your beloved plutocrats have shipped jobs overseas, and driven the American middle class into the ditch. Eisenhowewr believed that it was essential for all Americans to have the right of collective bargaining.” AND I ASKED YOU But to be forced to pay dues and join? How is that liberty? YOU DIDN’T RESPOND… Is this a union thread?
“ It's no big surprize that the G.O.P. is ginning up their anti union rhetoric. What else do they have? They lost on the health care deal, they lost on the gay marriage deal, they are losing on the marijuana deal. So they bash the unions.” FACT the unions are bashing.
“ Everything that you have been cock sure of in the past two years has not worked out. Do you ever get the sinking feeling that, perhaps you're not grasping reality properly?” No.
“As for the election, don't feel blue the best man by far won. He may go down in history as one of the best. And your party may just become totally irrelavent.” Lol…you mean socialism won? That’s “irrelavent”.
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#228 Dec 13, 2012
Take a hit Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>WOW the air is thick with CRACK smoke in your house tonight!
I haven'tmade a serious post on this union issue because I haven't paid any attention to it. Not all of us have the leisure time to keep our ears plastered to an AM radio all day, getting propagandized by sociapathic shock jocks. Ok I say you have just lied (not the first time either) and you say i have a comprehension problem. Quite possible \, as I have always found your writing to be dijointed and incoherent. So, instead of wasting all that time on your long winded posts, skirting the issue. Just tell me, straight out did you or did you not state that the stock market is lower now than how Bush left it? Because post # 210 says you did! And are you denying that you voted for or ever supported Romney for pres? Are you now ashamed of your choice? I would understand completely if that is the case. I for one voted for Obama. And am quite happy with my choice. It's exactly because of people like you that the G. O. p. is in shambles right now. As I had predicted for the last couple of years. Or have you conveniently forgotten?

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#229 Dec 13, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>I haven'tmade a serious post on this union issue because I haven't paid any attention to it. Not all of us have the leisure time to keep our ears plastered to an AM radio all day, getting propagandized by sociapathic shock jocks. Ok I say you have just lied (not the first time either) and you say i have a comprehension problem. Quite possible \, as I have always found your writing to be dijointed and incoherent. So, instead of wasting all that time on your long winded posts, skirting the issue. Just tell me, straight out did you or did you not state that the stock market is lower now than how Bush left it? Because post # 210 says you did! And are you denying that you voted for or ever supported Romney for pres? Are you now ashamed of your choice? I would understand completely if that is the case. I for one voted for Obama. And am quite happy with my choice. It's exactly because of people like you that the G. O. p. is in shambles right now. As I had predicted for the last couple of years. Or have you conveniently forgotten?
“I haven'tmade a serious post on this union issue because I haven't paid any attention to it. Not all of us have the leisure time to keep our ears plastered to an AM radio all day, getting propagandized by sociapathic shock jocks.”
So you know nothing about the unions staging violent protests and basically being babies about freedom?
“Ok I say you have just lied (not the first time either) and you say i have a comprehension problem. Quite possible \, as I have always found your writing to be dijointed and incoherent. So, instead of wasting all that time on your long winded posts, skirting the issue. Just tell me, straight out did you or did you not state that the stock market is lower now than how Bush left it? Because post # 210 says you did!” I stated the market was “Not even to levels when Bush was in office” NOT ONCE did I state,“the stock market is lower now than how Bush left it?” You did. Not surprising because you are consistent with you leftist twists and turns… Typical.
“And are you denying that you voted for or ever supported Romney for pres? Are you now ashamed of your choice?” No and No.
“I for one voted for Obama. And am quite happy with my choice. It's exactly because of people like you that the G. O. p. is in shambles right now.” Truthfully it’s because you favor socialism.
“As I had predicted for the last couple of years. Or have you conveniently forgotten?” How can I? You and the left won’t shut up about it.
Banked

Manchester, TN

#230 Dec 13, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>Your idiotic world view is collapsing all around you. And it makes me very happy.
Typical liberal ranting moron. Advocating violence and all! Actually, YOUR idiotic world collapsed all around you long ago. That's why you're so emotionally attached to the handout man. It's always made ME happy!
Ben Gleck

Utica, NY

#231 Dec 13, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
“I haven'tmade a serious post on this union issue because I haven't paid any attention to it. Not all of us have the leisure time to keep our ears plastered to an AM radio all day, getting propagandized by sociapathic shock jocks.”
So you know nothing about the unions staging violent protests and basically being babies about freedom?
“Ok I say you have just lied (not the first time either) and you say i have a comprehension problem. Quite possible \, as I have always found your writing to be dijointed and incoherent. So, instead of wasting all that time on your long winded posts, skirting the issue. Just tell me, straight out did you or did you not state that the stock market is lower now than how Bush left it? Because post # 210 says you did!” I stated the market was “Not even to levels when Bush was in office” NOT ONCE did I state,“the stock market is lower now than how Bush left it?” You did. Not surprising because you are consistent with you leftist twists and turns… Typical.
“And are you denying that you voted for or ever supported Romney for pres? Are you now ashamed of your choice?” No and No.
“I for one voted for Obama. And am quite happy with my choice. It's exactly because of people like you that the G. O. p. is in shambles right now.” Truthfully it’s because you favor socialism.
“As I had predicted for the last couple of years. Or have you conveniently forgotten?” How can I? You and the left won’t shut up about it.
Wait a minute \, your holier than thouness. If you stated that the market is "not even to the levels etc. " That means that it's lower. WTF are you talking about? The market has rebounded by almost fifty % since Obama took office. "Twists and turns"? As for the union issue. As I stated before , I haven't given it much thought. Unlike you I don't have a twenty four hour AM radio echo chamber telling me what to think. And I don't blindly follow some idiot party line like a goose stepping clown. BTW the fact that gay marriage and the legalization of pot is happenning simultaneously should make you happy. Lavictus 20/13 "If a man layeth down with another man, he should be stoned". LOL!
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#232 Dec 13, 2012
Ian Hob wrote:
<quoted text>Everything is "emotional" with that nut you're talking to and his alter-ego Bodhi the Steely Dan fanatic.
"Obama and UNIONS killed Hostess". You simply can't deny it or argue it away. If that union wasn't in the picture you'd still be able to get your Twinkies and those people would have a job. Telling Obama has been rather quite on this heh.
What he wasn't quiet about is the rioting his Democrat and Liberal cohorts were doing when their union got it's revenue stream cut off two days ago.
These Democrats know that without the support of stupid gullible people and the imaginary Working Families they'd have been gone after the Carter and Mondale fails.
Thats a fact! If the unions were not involved with Hostess clearly it would still be here. Simply no way to argue around that one no matter how desperate a liberal welfare-class lover you are!!!

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#233 Dec 13, 2012
Ben Gleck wrote:
<quoted text>Wait a minute \, your holier than thouness. If you stated that the market is "not even to the levels etc. " That means that it's lower. WTF are you talking about? The market has rebounded by almost fifty % since Obama took office. "Twists and turns"? As for the union issue. As I stated before , I haven't given it much thought. Unlike you I don't have a twenty four hour AM radio echo chamber telling me what to think. And I don't blindly follow some idiot party line like a goose stepping clown. BTW the fact that gay marriage and the legalization of pot is happenning simultaneously should make you happy. Lavictus 20/13 "If a man layeth down with another man, he should be stoned". LOL!
“Wait a minute \, your holier than thouness. If you stated that the market is "not even to the levels etc. " That means that it's lower. WTF are you talking about?”
I’m talking economics… Is all this above your head?
“The market has rebounded by almost fifty % since Obama took office. "Twists and turns"?” So you point is the rich are getting richer?“
“As for the union issue. As I stated before , I haven't given it much thought.” That’s obvious.
“Unlike you I don't have a twenty four hour AM radio echo chamber telling me what to think. And I don't blindly follow some idiot party line like a goose stepping clown. BTW the fact that gay marriage and the legalization of pot is happenning simultaneously should make you happy. Lavictus 20/13 "If a man layeth down with another man, he should be stoned". LOL!” You voted for Obama… I don’t need to say anything more.

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#234 Dec 13, 2012
UNIONS have been a HUGE strain on our economy for a number of years... That’s why most are public unions, which is a CLEAR conflict of interest, and why right to work states will spread to all 50.

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