Kunkel v. Utica Fire
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Beaten down

West Leyden, NY

#1 Jul 28, 2008
Anyone have a preference between Kunkel ambulance and Utica Fire Department? To be hired at UFD, you've got to pass the civil service exam, make it through the hiring process. In order to work at Kunkel ambulance, you don't even need a drivers license. If you've got a few DWI's, come on down! If you're addicted to prescription painkillers and have a predisposition to steal them from patients? You're hired! If you've got a girlfriend who works at a clinic so you've got access to all kinds of medications, you can work at Kunkel to supplement your income, since you are well known to all Kunkel employees as the pharmacy. So. Who would you choose for your medical transport needs?
Former Utica Resident

Detroit, MI

#2 Jul 28, 2008
Sounds kind of like you've got an axe to grind. Please substantiate your claims with some semblance of proof or else you're just another disgruntled UFD sycophant with a Russ Brooks complex.
non utican

New York, NY

#3 Jul 29, 2008
<<sycophant with a Russ Brooks complex.>>

I dont care who u are..... now thats funny!

Since: Jul 08

Rome, NY

#5 Jul 29, 2008
And dont forget, the City Ambulances are running without a state of NY Certificate of Need permit.

http://www.uticaod.com/homepage/x1870743090/...
non utican

New York, NY

#8 Jul 29, 2008
cant we all just get along
unfortunately

Long Eddy, NY

#10 Jul 29, 2008
That is called a first response system. Practically every fire department across the country operates on the same type of system....just so you know.
Nah

Syracuse, NY

#11 Jul 29, 2008
unfortunately wrote:
That is called a first response system. Practically every fire department across the country operates on the same type of system....just so you know.
Actually, I have had to relocate in different cities for the company I work for, and have never seen a truck company respond for an ambulance call. First response refers to the type of equipment on an alarm call-usually a truck, pumper and in some cities a salvage company for manpower.

Just so YOU know. Perhaps, in Utica, you might think you write the book, but some of us, that work regularly with municipalities on safety issues, do not think so.

You send the truck for one simple reason, there is not enough manpower to staff both, and you certainly cannot have fire equipment sitting in the house while on an ambulance call. I have seen, on three seperate occasions, where the FD had to abdicate a medical call and go to an alarm call, so much for the first response theory.

Ambulance services carry the sick, firefighters fight fires, in this area I am surprised they are not sweeping streets and collecting trash.

Good try though
Nah

AOL

#12 Jul 29, 2008
Nah wrote:
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Actually, I have had to relocate in different cities for the company I work for, and have never seen a truck company respond for an ambulance call. First response refers to the type of equipment on an alarm call-usually a truck, pumper and in some cities a salvage company for manpower.
Just so YOU know. Perhaps, in Utica, you might think you write the book, but some of us, that work regularly with municipalities on safety issues, do not think so.
You send the truck for one simple reason, there is not enough manpower to staff both, and you certainly cannot have fire equipment sitting in the house while on an ambulance call. I have seen, on three seperate occasions, where the FD had to abdicate a medical call and go to an alarm call, so much for the first response theory.
Ambulance services carry the sick, firefighters fight fires, in this area I am surprised they are not sweeping streets and collecting trash.
Good try though
Brutal evaluation--but true
jg_GIANT

Syracuse, NY

#14 Jul 29, 2008
Nah wrote:
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Ambulance services carry the sick, firefighters fight fires, in this area I am surprised they are not sweeping streets and collecting trash.
Good try though
...and why can't we hire public employees who are qualified to fight fires but can also do other work?

Why should we pay people to sleep? Nurses work shifts around the clock...AND work HARD!

I say god bless the firemen for CHOOSING to serve their community and risking injury to themselves. But please understand that we aren't made of money AND we will require you to perform other duties during the period of time when you are not fighting fires.
jg_GIANT

Syracuse, NY

#16 Jul 30, 2008
U R DUMB wrote:
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Nurses do not work round the clock.
Hmmm. Yes. Nurses DO work around the clock. They work shifts, e. 7-3, 3-11, 11-7. In most hospitals they DO NOT sleep.

There is NO reason why Firefighters can't work shifts too. We can't afford to continue to hire employees that are so specialized. We need to hire a "public safety employee" who is qualified to do many things. Fire fighting, law enforcement, codes enforcement, perhaps even supervising a crew of volunteers.

You must realize that the till is empty. There's nothing left. The taxpayers can't even afford to heat their homes and pay for medical care.

The days of our Father's fire departments are gone.
Not a fireman

Fort Plain, NY

#17 Jul 30, 2008
It appears there is a lot of "Bad Information" here. first of all, All City Employees using or having access to a City Owned Vehicle must have a valid & appropriate license. Secondly, I believe but am not sure that Municipality owned / operated Police Cars, fire Trucks and ambulances are all classified Emergency Vehicles and are exempt from the Vehicle & Traffic law as well as other ordinances. Firemen working three shifts would finish off the City as far as overtime and the proper staffing numbers to fill the ranks and lastly the reason ofr the two vehicles on the scene, is a manpower situation, also a line officer is in the second vehicle in the event there is a problem or something special is needed. Kunkel is a private corporation and will complain about anything that detracts from his profits. Personally, I would rather have an ambulance and fire truck pull up, knowing I will have the proper and enough to help if needed
No--U are dumb

Albany, NY

#18 Jul 30, 2008
U R DUMB wrote:
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Nurses do not work round the clock. If in an instance they do, they sleep.
If they didn't sleep they would die.
Fireman work 3 days on round the clock, and have 4 days off. And unlike a nurse, when the bell rings, Nap time is OVER
Fireman work 3 days on round the clock??? Where do they do this? Uranus.
jg_GIANT

Syracuse, NY

#20 Jul 30, 2008
Wanna Bet wrote:
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Show me a nurse that has been at work and awake 24 hours and I will show you a Nurse that is not doing her job.
I apologize for your not being able to understand what I wrote. I'll try to explain once more and I'll type slowly for you.

Nurses work in shifts (for the most part).
The shifts go around the clock.
They don't get paid to sleep at work.(usually patients require care).

In reference to another writer:
Not a fireman wrote:
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Firemen working three shifts would finish off the City as far as overtime and the proper staffing numbers to fill the ranks...
I fail to see why Firefighters working shifts would require overtime. If anything shifts would make staffing easier.
A public safety employee who would be qualified to do other tasks during his shift while NOT fighting fires, would be able to respond to a fire much as a Volunteer Firefighter does presently (and aptly).
Didn't you hear the Governor yesterday? The money is all gone! Business as usual has to change.
Not a fireman

Fort Plain, NY

#21 Jul 30, 2008
jG -- Firemen working shifts, 24 on or an 8 hour shift require a replacement. if they are working an active fire at the end of there shift, they cannot just leave. If a Fireman calls in sick, he has to be replaced, or someone kept over. This is where the OT comes in. Unfortunately, I do not see getting around this. The Firemen positions are Civil Service with very specific regulations and requirements having to be met. I understand what your saying, however, it won't work in a Govermental position.
unfortunately

United States

#22 Jul 30, 2008
Nah wrote:
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Actually, I have had to relocate in different cities for the company I work for, and have never seen a truck company respond for an ambulance call. First response refers to the type of equipment on an alarm call-usually a truck, pumper and in some cities a salvage company for manpower.
Just so YOU know. Perhaps, in Utica, you might think you write the book, but some of us, that work regularly with municipalities on safety issues, do not think so.
You send the truck for one simple reason, there is not enough manpower to staff both, and you certainly cannot have fire equipment sitting in the house while on an ambulance call. I have seen, on three seperate occasions, where the FD had to abdicate a medical call and go to an alarm call, so much for the first response theory.
Ambulance services carry the sick, firefighters fight fires, in this area I am surprised they are not sweeping streets and collecting trash.
Good try though
Nah...

You are mistaken about your theory of how the system is set up in Utica. The reason for a truck to be sent along with an ambulance is not for lack of manpower reasons. As I stated earlier, it is called a first response system. If there is a medical emergency, the closest rig would respond along with an ambulance. Yes, that does provide more manpower, but the main reason is to deliever medical care to the patient faster. All of the rigs in Utica have paramedics on them except for the trucks. It would be a shame if there was a medical emergency around the corner from one of the firehouses, and patient care was delayed while just an ambulance responded. I can understand taxpayers questioning why a rig is sent with an ambulance, but that is the main reason why. Before the city transported, a rig was sent along with Kunkel to provide the same service....more efficent patient care.
Gimme a Break

Syracuse, NY

#25 Jul 30, 2008
The UFD ambulance service was designed for one purpose, and only one purpose: MORE OVERTIME FOR FIREMAN. They accomplished their goal.
unfortunately

United States

#26 Jul 30, 2008
Hydro wrote:
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A rig WAS NOT sent along with Kunkel.
Put the paramedic in the ambulance.
leave the truck behind
Sorry Hydro....

Ask anyone who knows the way the system ran before Utica had a transport service. UFD would send a first response rig to the medical emergency to initiate medical care and transfer that care to Kunkel. If Kunkel was there first, UFD would assist.

Listen guys, this system was not made up by Utica. It has been a system that fire departments have used for years. Just because Utica does it this way doesn't automatically mean it's screwed up.
unfortunately

United States

#28 Jul 30, 2008
Hydro wrote:
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I will "REPEAT" again for all the dense people.
Put paramedics in the AM BU LANCE!!
Why send a fkn fore truck out.?
Do u know how much it cost to send that truck out and bring it back.
If u must send more personnel, buy a car and send a car.
Is this so hard to understand.
So everyone does it.

Everyone wastes money, so should Utica follow suit and lose money?
Hone the system, make it more cost effective and viable.
Until then, I vote to can the UFD ambulance system and give support to Kunkel.
Hydro...

1. There are paramedics on the UFD ambulances....and the firetrucks, hell Utica has paramedics comming out of it's ass.

2. Your point seems to focus on the financial end of things. If you want a "car" to respond with an ambulance, odo you propose to to staff that car. With the firefighters from the rigs? Who would man the rigs then? If not this, then what?

I'll say it again...Utica did not make this system up. There are many more municipalities doing this also.

Have a good night
unfortunately

United States

#29 Jul 30, 2008
Hydro wrote:
<quoted text>
I will "REPEAT" again for all the dense people.
Put paramedics in the AM BU LANCE!!
Why send a fkn fore truck out.?
Do u know how much it cost to send that truck out and bring it back.
If u must send more personnel, buy a car and send a car.
Is this so hard to understand.
So everyone does it.
Everyone wastes money, so should Utica follow suit and lose money?
Hone the system, make it more cost effective and viable.
Until then, I vote to can the UFD ambulance system and give support to Kunkel.
One more point....

If UFD was sending a first response rig to the medical emergencies along with Kunkel before the transport service was initiated, then they are spending no more money now than they were in years past. The difference is that the ambulances are generating a revenue. If anything, this is more cost effective than what was taking place before the UFD started transporting....just a thought.
Outdoorfan

Detroit, MI

#31 Jul 30, 2008
Don't get me started on the subject of the revenue generated by the UFD ambulance service. First, the municipality of Utica put itself in direct competition with a tax-paying, for profit service. Read my other posts to find out how I feel about Socialism. Also any time that the question of actually opening the books is brought up Russ Brooks pops a vein and needs to be transported by his own ambulances. Remember the embarrassing incident between him and Viscera at a council meeting? We don't have a clue just what the ambulances are making (or losing) on this little project of his. Are we funding a white elephant or are the profits going in someones pocket? Brooks will bully the council for as long as it takes to keep the books hidden.

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