notre dame coach suspended
Shame Shame

Utica, NY

#155 Oct 9, 2013
Wboro wrote:
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who are you calling a coward, Marty Flynt from "Syracuse"? or should i say utica. i am praying for you tonight, sir, because you need Jesus in your life.
Marty Flynt is a low life and everyone knows it!!! He sucks up to the coaches so his kids can play. He is a father that has no shame and will do whatever he needs to get ahead. Shame on him for talking grab about the Gilroys. They are the most loyal and loving family. He should look at his life and family with the 4 wives he had. He is a low life to society.
Upset Alumni

Plymouth, MN

#156 Oct 9, 2013
It is too bad that this has to hit the media the way it did. I understand both sides of the story and it is unfortunate this had to happen. I do lean towards Byron's reasoning. If any of these kids were injured I would have loved to have seen the fallout then. Coaches have to be trusted with their skills and knowledge of the game.

Life moves on, its only 1 stupid football game that basically nobody cares about except a few whose kids did not play. Get over it parents,however that is the "norm" these days in any school, public or private.

Byron you protected these players and congrats for that.

Sr. Anna Mae you are a smart woman but have no clue about sports.

Gene Leuthauser you are basically a yes man and your only buddy in life is Mike Macchionne so that alone proves you have no character whatsoever.
yo-hoo

Utica, NY

#157 Oct 9, 2013
you don't practice the plays/strategies for UPCOMING game....YOU DON'T play.......You don't go to Class--you missed the ASSIGNMENT--thus, fail the test!!!!!!!!! PERIOD. ND is not what they portray to be...they are mostly a bunch of uppity..clicky...hypocrites... ..I lived it way back when....and it is worse today!!!!!
wonder

Moravia, NY

#158 Oct 9, 2013
News flash none of these kids will play in the NFL. I am afraid we are not teaching our kids rules. When these kids are on their own are the parents going to complain to their boss about something. Parents grow up and suck it up.
Smarter now

Cazenovia, NY

#159 Oct 9, 2013
JusticeDefiled13501 wrote:
The lesson to be learned for all this is that there are consequences to your actions. The coach told the players that they would not play if they missed a week of practice. The players missed practice and werenít allowed to play; lesson learned. The administration told the coach to let the kids play, he didnít and was suspended; again lesson learned. Now that we have all learned that we are responsible for the actions we take, letís move on with the rest of the season.
...perhaps the lesson that should be learned from this is that when a coach is hired to be responsible for a team - HE IS RESPONSIPBLE!! not administration, not parents, not players! He makes the decisions on safety!! conduct, accountability, and attendance. In addition rules and policy are an absolute order in this situation- a clear and to the point policy for the coaches that if administation deems fit to set rules on players participation in the game (regardless of preparation)- the coaches are held harmless if the players are injured. It is a lesson well learned - there will be times in all of our lives we will be "ordered" to do things- if those orders put ourselves or those we are responsible for in harms way- then each any every one of us has a responsibility- an accountability to stand up and make the RIGHT choice- regardless of the consequenses. I applaud Coach Abraham for doing just that- and setting a great example to his team, the school, and the community!
scratchy

Utica, NY

#160 Oct 9, 2013
wonder wrote:
News flash none of these kids will play in the NFL. I am afraid we are not teaching our kids rules. When these kids are on their own are the parents going to complain to their boss about something. Parents grow up and suck it up.
Before you say something like that check out warmack and Bratham.Division 1 schools are already onto them.These two by far have been the best athletes on their teams since flag football,dick miller,t-ball. They are by far the two best athletes in the area.Jerome can fly. I don't think he ever lost a footrace in his life.
nice

Woburn, MA

#161 Oct 9, 2013
You would have fired him ? So would the ND principal...she would have fired him if he openly defied the order.....people there was no order or he would have been fired
NDFan wrote:
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No I don't believe that Sister Anna Mae was or should be involved in the game plan. What I do believe is that she told coaches of all sports that the children were not to be penalized for missing practices because of a mandatory ROTC boot camp. I also believe that Abraham made his feelings on the matter known early in the week and before the players left for boot camp. I also believe he openly defied an order given him by his boss. Coaches from the other sports did not. I believe that parents of these 4 players had what they thought was an understanding of what was to happen based on Sister Anna Mae's order. What they thought was going to happen didn't because Abraham completely disregarded what his boss told him to do. Whether Sister Anna Mae's order was right or wrong is not the issue. The fact that he had complete disregard for that order and in a very vocal way is the issue.
I would have fired him.
yo-hoo

Utica, NY

#162 Oct 9, 2013
how 'bout the KID/child who skips out on rotc practice...and goes to football instead..GEE..think he/she is prepared to do the drills/formations/etc. for the upcoming "ROTC SKIT !!!! Sports is about learning teamwork...lessons for life...thrill of victory--agony of defeat--and acting "appropriately with respect for all involved..being one for all and all for one....THIS is our ND LESSON---we as notre damers MUST HAVE our cake and eat it too----I feel sorry for the ones who get"IT"---for the ones who "don't get it" are forever going to be the spoiled rotten notre dame parents of the future--soo----I say PLAY BALL...and shut your hypocritic trap..YES..your stuck up/in "TRAP"
Ole timer

Altmar, NY

#163 Oct 9, 2013
I give the coach credit for doing what he
thought was right regarding the players who
missed a week of practice. If the school's
administration doesn't believe in the coach's
judgment, it is time to replace the coach,
as simple as that. Either give the coach the
authority to run the team or replace the
coach. P.S. scratchy- I don't know N.D.'s
record this year, but if they have two D-1
players on the team they must be undefeated!
20 year Navy -Retiree

Utica, NY

#164 Oct 9, 2013
I spent 20 years in the United States Navy. Before joining the navy i was a Navy Brat as my father was a navy retiree. The only thing I would like to add to this is if these young men are in ROTC then our Navy is in trouble. The purpose of ROTC is to teach young people to be leaders and accept whatever comes with the deciscions they make.They decided to go to boot camp fully aware that they would not play saturday. Then they come back,don't play per policy of coach,then have mommy and daddy raise a ruckus. These young men might as well quit ROTC because they aren't learning anything from it. 15,16,17 year olds who claim to be leaders don't have mommy and daddy cause problems like this.
Question

Utica, NY

#165 Oct 9, 2013
Who are the players and who are their parents?? Maybe some public shaming will shut their fat ugly traps up.
Daddy

Ardsley, NY

#166 Oct 9, 2013
scratchy wrote:
<quoted text>Before you say something like that check out warmack and Bratham.Division 1 schools are already onto them.These two by far have been the best athletes on their teams since flag football,dick miller,t-ball. They are by far the two best athletes in the area.Jerome can fly. I don't think he ever lost a footrace in his life.
roflmao
Daddy

Ardsley, NY

#167 Oct 9, 2013
Ole timer wrote:
I give the coach credit for doing what he
thought was right regarding the players who
missed a week of practice. If the school's
administration doesn't believe in the coach's
judgment, it is time to replace the coach,
as simple as that. Either give the coach the
authority to run the team or replace the
coach. P.S. scratchy- I don't know N.D.'s
record this year, but if they have two D-1
players on the team they must be undefeated!
I think they are 2-4 in class c or d-----lol
john 1972

Herkimer, NY

#168 Oct 9, 2013
NDFan wrote:
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No I don't believe that Sister Anna Mae was or should be involved in the game plan. What I do believe is that she told coaches of all sports that the children were not to be penalized for missing practices because of a mandatory ROTC boot camp. I also believe that Abraham made his feelings on the matter known early in the week and before the players left for boot camp. I also believe he openly defied an order given him by his boss. Coaches from the other sports did not. I believe that parents of these 4 players had what they thought was an understanding of what was to happen based on Sister Anna Mae's order. What they thought was going to happen didn't because Abraham completely disregarded what his boss told him to do. Whether Sister Anna Mae's order was right or wrong is not the issue. The fact that he had complete disregard for that order and in a very vocal way is the issue.
I would have fired him.
Abraham has Zero character. I know for a FACT he is encouraging all his facebook page "friends" to post comments on this forum. As a parent of 5 children, he should know how vulnerable kids are. Its no longer about him anymore. Why would he put his players out there for these vultures if he cared so much about them? Character...none
quite contrary

Utica, NY

#169 Oct 9, 2013
Ms. Anna Mae really has no idea what she's doing. Since when is a nun qualified to be leading a school? That says a lot about the quality of education at Notre Dame. That and the fact that most graduates go to schools like LeMoyne and St. Bonaventure. LMAO.
appears

Herkimer, NY

#170 Oct 9, 2013
Byron speaks of responsibility, respect, parental guidance? Please look in your own backyard. You see my friend, those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Really Now

Hockessin, DE

#171 Oct 9, 2013
appears wrote:
Byron speaks of responsibility, respect, parental guidance? Please look in your own backyard. You see my friend, those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
What you going to do discredit him as a parent now? Don't go there
NDFan

Utica, NY

#172 Oct 9, 2013
20 year Navy -Retiree wrote:
I spent 20 years in the United States Navy. Before joining the navy i was a Navy Brat as my father was a navy retiree. The only thing I would like to add to this is if these young men are in ROTC then our Navy is in trouble. The purpose of ROTC is to teach young people to be leaders and accept whatever comes with the deciscions they make.They decided to go to boot camp fully aware that they would not play saturday. Then they come back,don't play per policy of coach,then have mommy and daddy raise a ruckus. These young men might as well quit ROTC because they aren't learning anything from it. 15,16,17 year olds who claim to be leaders don't have mommy and daddy cause problems like this.
You are misinformed. No they were not fully aware that they wouldn't play on Saturday. When they went to boot camp their coach said they weren't going to play. Their coach's boss ordered there be no penalty for attending boot camp. She is at the top of the chain of command at Notre Dame. As a Navy vet (thank you for your service) you above most should understand chain of command, order and discipline. Abraham violated a direct order from his boss. What lesson does it teach these young men if there are no consequences for that action.
NDFan

Utica, NY

#173 Oct 9, 2013
nice wrote:
You would have fired him ? So would the ND principal...she would have fired him if he openly defied the order.....people there was no order or he would have been fired
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You are mistaken.
Sister Anna Mae told coaches, players and parents there would be no penalty for those young men and women that attended boot camp. The coaches of other sports complied. Byron Abraham did not. The other coaches were not suspended. Byron Abraham was.

If not for disobeying an order why was he suspended?
i come on here

New York, NY

#174 Oct 9, 2013
To laugh my jazz off at all you people who still wish they were in high school !!!! Get a life you libtards.... face it you're all a bunch of liberal anti gun Obama supporters .....the coach this the coach that... SHUT UP !!!! Y'all sound like a bunch of sissies.... take your skirt off... ND is run by blowtards and produces them...

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